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Is Derry or Antrim as Irish as Cork ?

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  • #32
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Given SF's "West Brit" opinion of those who welcomed the Queen of England, and the fact that Cork didn't need the barriers to keep back the protestors, then - to paraphrase MMG - "if they'd describe it as that, then I wouldn't disagree, but you'd have to look at it in context....."


  • #33
    John Doe1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    Well im 5 miles over the border in Donegal and Derry people are if anything more proud of their irish identity than many in the south, they celebrate irishness not bowing to the anglophilic tendencies of many down here.


  • #34
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Are people in Wroclow/Breslau Polish or German ?


  • #35
    SmartHass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 ✭SmartHass


    When you have to fight to preserve your culture you tend to appreciate it more, Derry is more Irish than anywhere on the Island.


  • #36
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    SmartHass wrote: »
    Derry is more Irish than anywhere on the Island.

    Nonsense

    Barack Obama isint from there :pac:


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  • #37
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    bayern282 wrote: »
    who would you consider more Irish

    someone born and reared in the UK, Irish parentage and passport, considers themselves Irish and one generation removed

    or

    Ultra loyalist Ulster Prod, UK passport, considers themselves British albeit hundreds of years since the plantation.

    just throwing one out there

    Consider themselves British really? I would have thought they thought their citizenship was Northern Irish given the title of where they are from is the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".

    SmartHass wrote: »
    When you have to fight to preserve your culture you tend to appreciate it more, Derry is more Irish than anywhere on the Island.

    What is Irish nowadays? Given that culture changes alot and quite dramatically.


  • #38
    gerry adams
    Site Banned Posts: 5 ✭gerry adams


    the best way to maintain peace ive always maintained is to get a lump of semtex and blow the northern part of ireland into the atlantic,we wouldnt have to listen to them brits anymore,because thats all they are up there


  • #39
    Gee Bag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Gee Bag


    gerry adams wrote: »
    the best way to maintain peace ive always maintained is to get a lump of semtex and blow the northern part of ireland into the atlantic,we wouldnt have to listen to them brits anymore,because thats all they are up there

    You've changed your tune Gerry!


  • #40
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,033 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    gerry adams wrote: »
    the best way to maintain peace ive always maintained is to get a lump of semtex and blow the northern part of ireland into the atlantic,we wouldnt have to listen to them brits anymore,because thats all they are up there

    What about the Nationalists Gerry?

    EVENFLOW



  • #41
    gigino
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭gigino


    SmartHass wrote: »
    When you have to fight to preserve your culture you tend to appreciate it more, Derry is more Irish than anywhere on the Island.
    Being devils advocate, its then fair to say " When you have to fight to preserve your culture you tend to appreciate it more, more than 50% of Northern Irish people have more allegiance to the UK than anywhere else in the UK." And boy, over 30 years did they have to fight.


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  • #42
    starbelgrade
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    John Doe1 wrote: »
    Well im 5 miles over the border in Donegal and Derry people are if anything more proud of their irish identity than many in the south, they celebrate irishness not bowing to the anglophilic tendencies of many down here.

    Celebrating "Irishness" doesn't make you any more or less Irish than those who "bow to anglopholic tendencies".

    Being Irish is not a state of mind - it's simply a geographical accident. And how you choose to live your life after that really makes little difference as to how Irish you are.

    You could argue that the people in the South are actually more Irish because they have evolved with modern Irish culture, including it's anglo influences. And you could argue that those in the North are less Irish because they cling to a past that simply doesn't exist anymore.

    You could argue those things. But of course, ultimately it would prove nothing & would be utterly pointless.


  • #43
    gerry adams
    Site Banned Posts: 5 ✭gerry adams


    nationalists or prods,all the 1 in my eyes,bunch of ****,wish the north didnt exist


  • #44
    The_Kew_Tour
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    gerry adams wrote: »
    nationalists or prods,all the 1 in my eyes,bunch of ****,wish the north didnt exist


    What happened Gerry? Tell us?

    EVENFLOW



  • #45
    gigino
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭gigino


    minidazzler wrote: »
    I would have thought they thought their citizenship was Northern Irish given the title of where they are from is the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".
    They often call themselves "northern Irish" or even " British" for short, rather than United Kingdomers.
    Same as people from Hawaii call themselves Americans if they go to the far side of the world. And people from the Cararies are Spanish. And people from Sicily are Italian.


  • #46
    starbelgrade
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    gigino wrote: »
    They often call themselves "northern Irish" or even " British" for short, rather than United Kingdomers.
    Same as people from Hawaii call themselves Americans if they go to the far side of the world. And people from the Cararies are Spanish. And people from Sicily are Italian.

    Never call a Sicilian "Italian".


  • #47
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    gigino wrote: »
    They often call themselves "northern Irish" or even " British" for short, rather than United Kingdomers.
    Same as people from Hawaii call themselves Americans if they go to the far side of the world. And people from the Cararies are Spanish. And people from Sicily are Italian.

    I've never heard a Sicilian identify themselves as Italian, or a Hawaiian as American. I think you're talking through your hat :D


  • #48
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    gerry adams wrote: »
    nationalists or prods
    FAIL!


  • #49
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    I'm from Kerry, in recent years I have made several trips to Northern Ireland and I consider a Protestant Unionist from North Antrim to be as Irish as myself, there is the Union of Northern Ireland with the United Kingdom; however Ireland is an island and those of us living on it are Irish.

    The people of Northern Ireland are free from tyranny now thanks to the IRA and the men who were brave and stand up against British forces, I don't blame Ulster Protestants for what happened, I blame the British Government and their insane policy of preserving empire in the North despite it costing them billions and saw their citizens blown to atoms by Irish Freedom Fighters in the struggle for civil rights, liberty and representation.

    As long as the majority of people in Northern Ireland want to remain a part of the United Kingdom then I will respect that, however I would never tolerate a situation where a minority were treated as second class citizens due to their religion or political situation. People must remember that Catholics were treated like dirt up there and they had no rights or means to resolve it through peaceful political means; they resorted to violence and took on the British Army and various Loyalist paramilitary organizations who were equipped and trained by various British intelligence agencies and the RUC.

    Britain was at fault but the IRA fought them and created peace, the Irish Government stood idly by while our people were slaughtered in Northern Ireland when the Government should have declared war on Northern Ireland at the time and sent the Irish Army up into Northern Ireland to protect our people from British forces, it would have thrown the gauntlet down to the International Community an Irish America's influence would ensure a quick peace and a withdrawal east of Lough Neagh.

    So to summarise, The North is Irish, all of its people are Irish, Sinn Fein are now the only republican party and you can't count Fianna Fail criminals as but what they are but Criminal Scum.


  • #50
    KeithAFC
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    John Doe1 wrote: »
    Well im 5 miles over the border in Donegal and Derry people are if anything more proud of their irish identity than many in the south, they celebrate irishness not bowing to the anglophilic tendencies of many down here.
    They lack national pride. Same with a lot of English people in England.


  • #51
    mise_me_fein3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭mise_me_fein3


    staker wrote: »
    Are Derry or Antrim as Irish as Cork?
    Couldn't give a fiddlers.

    Ha, but you cared enough to write it


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  • #52
    Mike 1972
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    Stinicker wrote: »
    The people of Northern Ireland are free from tyranny now thanks to despite the IRA .

    FYP!


  • #53
    starbelgrade
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    They lack national pride. Same with a lot of English people in England.

    Not a bad thing, you could argue - considering the amount of shit that "national pride" has caused over the centuries.


  • #54
    not yet
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    CJC999 wrote: »
    No theyre not....just like New Mexicans are not Mexicans. Theyre two different countries. People from Derry/belfast are Northern Irish.

    Is that right..............what would they have been 800 years ago before England forced settlers into Ireland. So your telling me they fcuking magically changed nationality.


  • #55
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    Not a bad thing, you could argue - considering the amount of shit that "national pride" has caused over the centuries.
    More negatives than positives.


  • #56
    Mike 1972
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    not yet wrote: »
    .what would they have been 800 years ago before England forced settlers into Ireland.

    Not Irish


  • #57
    SmartHass
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    gigino wrote: »
    SmartHass wrote: »
    When you have to fight to preserve your culture you tend to appreciate it more, Derry is more Irish than anywhere on the Island.
    Being devils advocate, its then fair to say " When you have to fight to preserve your culture you tend to appreciate it more, more than 50% of Northern Irish people have more allegiance to the UK than anywhere else in the UK." And boy, over 30 years did they have to fight.

    Allegiance and Culture though, 2 different things, what makes Derry Irish is very different to what makes it part of the UK, the UK is fabricated, NI should never have existed, any allegiance to the UK on the Island of Ireland is relatively modern, Derry and the other 5 counties of NI were a part of Ireland long before the Brits came


  • #58
    KeithAFC
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    Stinicker wrote: »
    I'm from Kerry, in recent years I have made several trips to Northern Ireland and I consider a Protestant Unionist from North Antrim to be as Irish as myself, there is the Union of Northern Ireland with the United Kingdom; however Ireland is an island and those of us living on it are Irish.

    The people of Northern Ireland are free from tyranny now thanks to the IRA and the men who were brave and stand up against British forces, I don't blame Ulster Protestants for what happened, I blame the British Government and their insane policy of preserving empire in the North despite it costing them billions and saw their citizens blown to atoms by Irish Freedom Fighters in the struggle for civil rights, liberty and representation.

    As long as the majority of people in Northern Ireland want to remain a part of the United Kingdom then I will respect that, however I would never tolerate a situation where a minority were treated as second class citizens due to their religion or political situation. People must remember that Catholics were treated like dirt up there and they had no rights or means to resolve it through peaceful political means; they resorted to violence and took on the British Army and various Loyalist paramilitary organizations who were equipped and trained by various British intelligence agencies and the RUC.

    Britain was at fault but the IRA fought them and created peace, the Irish Government stood idly by while our people were slaughtered in Northern Ireland when the Government should have declared war on Northern Ireland at the time and sent the Irish Army up into Northern Ireland to protect our people from British forces, it would have thrown the gauntlet down to the International Community an Irish America's influence would ensure a quick peace and a withdrawal east of Lough Neagh.

    So to summarise, The North is Irish, all of its people are Irish, Sinn Fein are now the only republican party and you can't count Fianna Fail criminals as but what they are but Criminal Scum.
    Why would the Irish Army invade N.I to fight the PUL community?

    The bit in bold is utter nonsense too.


  • #59
    mise_me_fein3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭mise_me_fein3


    Stinicker wrote: »
    I'm from Kerry, in recent years I have made several trips to Northern Ireland and I consider a Protestant Unionist from North Antrim to be as Irish as myself, there is the Union of Northern Ireland with the United Kingdom; however Ireland is an island and those of us living on it are Irish.

    The people of Northern Ireland are free from tyranny now thanks to the IRA and the men who were brave and stand up against British forces, I don't blame Ulster Protestants for what happened, I blame the British Government and their insane policy of preserving empire in the North despite it costing them billions and saw their citizens blown to atoms by Irish Freedom Fighters in the struggle for civil rights, liberty and representation.

    As long as the majority of people in Northern Ireland want to remain a part of the United Kingdom then I will respect that, however I would never tolerate a situation where a minority were treated as second class citizens due to their religion or political situation. People must remember that Catholics were treated like dirt up there and they had no rights or means to resolve it through peaceful political means; they resorted to violence and took on the British Army and various Loyalist paramilitary organizations who were equipped and trained by various British intelligence agencies and the RUC.

    Britain was at fault but the IRA fought them and created peace, the Irish Government stood idly by while our people were slaughtered in Northern Ireland when the Government should have declared war on Northern Ireland at the time and sent the Irish Army up into Northern Ireland to protect our people from British forces, it would have thrown the gauntlet down to the International Community an Irish America's influence would ensure a quick peace and a withdrawal east of Lough Neagh.

    So to summarise, The North is Irish, all of its people are Irish, Sinn Fein are now the only republican party and you can't count Fianna Fail criminals as but what they are but Criminal Scum.

    Ah, good to know we can see everything so black and white. I used to think it was more complex.

    The IRA was supported a lot at the start but then lost a huge amount of support. That's why the SLDP were the number one party for Nationalists. Most of the IRA were not freedom fighters in the end. The only reason I would vote Sinn Fein was because they ended all that killing. It was bound to happen but some of the things they did from the 80s on where shocking. This is why they lost the support of the people.

    On the topic, yes I consider everyone in Ireland Irish. If they think they are British, what can you do? Some people in south side Dublin think they are British too.


  • #60
    Stinicker
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    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    FYP!

    Love the revisionism there, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Northern Ireland; what have they all got in common? Their people were oppressed, their peaceful demands were not listened to so they took up armed struggle until they got what the wanted. Life would be alot worse for people in Ireland today had the old IRA not driven the british out of the 26 counties and in Northern Ireland had the IRA not fought the British then they would not have have gotten what they now have.

    Armed struggle happens due to reasons like this, should the people of Libya said "ah feck it we are going nowhere" when Gaddafi refused to stand down and set his thugs upon the people?

    The IRA are a part of Ireland's history and while they are part of that dark chapter we have to applaud and celebrate these people who were not going to take it lying down. If people down south showed a little of the selfless pride that these people showed and driven the Fianna Fail traitors out of office sooner by force then our economy would not be so mortally wounded.


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  • #61
    Mike 1972
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    Stinicker wrote: »
    Love the revisionism there,

    Thats a bit rich.........
    SmartHass wrote: »
    the UK is fabricated,

    Show me a nation state which isint
    SmartHass wrote: »
    Derry and the other 5 counties of NI were a part of Ireland long before the Brits came

    "Counties" didnt exist before the "Brits" came.


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