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Young man viciously assaulted and left to die

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  • #32
    DOC09UNAM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,305 ✭✭✭DOC09UNAM


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    NuckyT wrote: »
    "I like my beer cold and my homosexuals flamin' "

    Just a quick reminder, this is a story about a man who was tortured to death less than 24 hours ago.
    Just a quick reminder, this is in after hours.


  • #33
    Rothmans
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭Rothmans


    Absolutely disgusting.
    The death penalty ought to apply to scum like that. Those who not only murder people, but ensure that the die the most painful way imaginable.
    Regardless of the motive, the scum, who were capable of doing such a horrific thing to another person surrender their own right to life when they do such a horrific thing imo. They really ought to be put down for the good of society
    :mad::mad::mad:


  • #34
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,594 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    The level of malice in the attack (burning someone alive ffs) suggest whoever did it had some sort of personal problem with him. Homophobia is a reasonable possibility.

    Someone close to the victim is another reason for the added brutality.


  • #35
    Super-Rush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    NuckyT wrote: »
    "I like my beer cold and my homosexuals flamin' "
    daddydick wrote: »
    Its a bad state of affairs when you get killed for being a gay lord. Pretty shocking death.

    Both of you don't post in this thread again.


  • #36
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Pompey Magnus wrote: »
    A reasonable possibility if this was the Medieval period perhaps, I have to say I would be amazed if a group of people in modern Scotland could be so shocked at discovering a gay person living in their community that they would feel it neccessary to basically burn him at the stake.

    I may be wrong but I would suspect there is more to the story than just homophobia.
    I said the possibility was reasonable, not the people who did it. There of course could be more to this than homophobia though.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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  • #37
    chuckliddell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭chuckliddell


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard


    same deal :(


  • #38
    vampire of kilmainham
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭vampire of kilmainham


    horrific and very sad there's a lot of abombnibale evil out in the world folks
    my thoughts are with his family and friends may he REST IN PEACE i just dont know how anyone could do such a horrible an vicious thing to anyone im sickined


  • #39
    Snowie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,048 ✭✭✭✭Snowie


    WindSock wrote: »
    Why does everyone type 'the fear' in caps. Gheyzone.


    But there all fearing there complete whimps who claim this that and th other.


  • #40
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Is this just a rip thread or are we allowed a discussion?

    Obviously a sick thing to happen a truly shocking incident i couldn't even imagine.


    But i think gay people have a responsibility to protect themselves and should perhaps be less 'out there'. I know its not right but there is a danger to gay people and it would be stupid of them to put themselves at such risks by being so 'gay'.

    I know myself as a protestant that if i wear my finest orange gear and rangers jersey that im likely to face consequences- different i know but its about expecting consequences for actions. Not right but the world isn't just puppies and rainbows.


  • #41
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Is this just a rip thread or are we allowed a discussion?

    Obviously a sick thing to happen a truly shocking incident i couldn't even imagine.


    But i think gay people have a responsibility to protect themselves and should perhaps be less 'out there'. I know its not right but there is a danger to gay people and it would be stupid of them to put themselves at such risks by being so 'gay'.

    I know myself as a protestant that if i wear my finest orange gear and rangers jersey that im likely to face consequences- different i know but its about expecting consequences for actions. Not right but the world isn't just puppies and rainbows.

    OK I'll keep my tiara and boa for pride, but I should be allowed walk with my boyfriend in public holding hands if we wish


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  • #42
    DaveDaRave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭DaveDaRave


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    Just a quick reminder, this is a story about a man who was tortured to death less than 24 hours ago.

    Yeah, give it 6 months at least before cracking out the good stuff.


  • #43
    DaveDaRave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭DaveDaRave


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Is this just a rip thread or are we allowed a discussion?

    Obviously a sick thing to happen a truly shocking incident i couldn't even imagine.


    But i think gay people have a responsibility to protect themselves and should perhaps be less 'out there'. I know its not right but there is a danger to gay people and it would be stupid of them to put themselves at such risks by being so 'gay'.

    I know myself as a protestant that if i wear my finest orange gear and rangers jersey that im likely to face consequences- different i know but its about expecting consequences for actions. Not right but the world isn't just puppies and rainbows.

    Sounds like the "they were asking for it" short skirt rape defense.


  • #44
    newmug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    Pompey Magnus wrote: »
    A reasonable possibility if this was the Medieval period perhaps, I have to say I would be amazed if a group of people in modern Scotland could be so shocked at discovering a gay person living in their community that they would feel it neccessary to basically burn him at the stake.


    I have to say I agree with orange there (and believe me there's a few orangemen I'd love to burn alive!). I know it was horrible, and I feel sorry for the fella, but thats how repulsed and anti-gay some people feel out there. Some people believe gayness is so wrong and haenous that all gays should be burned alive, the lads that did it probably got satisfaction from it. Thats just the reality of life.


  • #45
    MagicSean
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    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    The level of malice in the attack (burning someone alive ffs) suggest whoever did it had some sort of personal problem with him. Homophobia is a reasonable possibility.

    It's only one of many possibilities. It's way too early to be making this into a hate crime.


  • #46
    up for anything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,791 ✭✭✭up for anything


    Pompey Magnus wrote: »
    A reasonable possibility if this was the Medieval period perhaps, I have to say I would be amazed if a group of people in modern Scotland could be so shocked at discovering a gay person living in their community that they would feel it neccessary to basically burn him at the stake.

    I would have agreed with you but then cast my mind back to how shocked I was when Biggins posted about http://www.thejournal.ie/toddler-injured-as-gang-attack-house-with-hammers-251333-Oct2011/ a few days ago. Just because on the surface people in general seem to have matured, it doesn't mean that the vast majority actually have.

    In my younger days the Scots had a reputation in Europe, even in Germany, as the most intolerant, racist, homophobic, you name it race - maybe things haven't changed or maybe the rest of Europe just hides it better.


  • #47
    xzanti
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    newmug wrote: »
    Some people believe gayness is so wrong and haenous that all gays should be burned alive, the lads that did it probably got satisfaction from it. Thats just the reality of life.

    I'm sure homosexuals find the hatred and ignorance bred by these people equally disgusting, but they don't go around burning people alive.. It was an act of pure evil.

    It chills me to the bone to think of the sort of filth we have to share this world with.

    RIP to the poor guy.


  • #48
    Alopex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Alopex


    DaveDaRave wrote: »
    Sounds like the "they were asking for it" short skirt rape defense.

    Sounds like someone likes to get morally outraged and offended on behalf of someone else

    Orange said nothing of the sort. He even said "I know its not right but there is a danger to gay people and it would be stupid of them to put themselves at such risks"

    You can acknowledge a risk without in any way defending the people causing that risk.


  • #49
    Gummy Panda
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    DaveDaRave wrote: »

    Sounds like the "they were asking for it" short skirt rape defense.

    No it's not. It's about being smart and safe.


  • #50
    newmug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    xzanti wrote: »
    I'm sure homosexuals find the hatred and ignorance bred by these people equally disgusting, but they don't go around burning people alive.. It was an act of pure evil.

    It chills me to the bone to think of the sort of filth we have to share this world with.

    RIP to the poor guy.


    Dont get me wrong, I fully agree this was pure evil, and the man did not deserve it. But I'm just saying, since gayness seems to be so accepted now, people sometimes forget that there's still a massive swathe of the populace that finds it absolutely morally repugnant.


  • #51
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Is this just a rip thread or are we allowed a discussion?

    Obviously a sick thing to happen a truly shocking incident i couldn't even imagine.


    But i think gay people have a responsibility to protect themselves and should perhaps be less 'out there'. I know its not right but there is a danger to gay people and it would be stupid of them to put themselves at such risks by being so 'gay'.

    I know myself as a protestant that if i wear my finest orange gear and rangers jersey that im likely to face consequences- different i know but its about expecting consequences for actions. Not right but the world isn't just puppies and rainbows.

    Thats just weak now that is. Its like saying about a black guy who was lynched in the white part of town should have whitened himself up a bit.

    You are who you are and you cant say its stupid to be that way or to not hide it, I think society and the law in that society has the responsibility to protect everyone from the types of people who would do this sort of thing. I'd imagine the type of person who'd do this would be a violent criminal with a history as long as your arm.

    If he was ginger would you say it was stupid and irresponsible of him not to dye his hair as he knew some people mgiht have a problem with him ? Or would ya say he has red hair and he shouldnt have to hide it based on what others may think ?

    They have every right to be as "gay" as they like, other people should need get used to it. Society in general has no problem with homosexuality, theres a small number of nutcases will do this thing to anyone for any reason and the victims are in no way to blame just because they happen to offend someone with their existence.


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  • #52
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,996 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    No it's not. It's about being smart and safe.


    Exactly.

    If I get mugged whilst walking down Sheriff Street at 2am carrying a fistful of cash in each hand people would be saying I'd gone and put myself into a stupid situation. They wouldn't be saying that the mugging was justified, just that my actions prior to that may have been a factor in what happened.


  • #53
    MagicSean
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    MungBean wrote: »
    Thats just weak now that is. Its like saying about a black guy who was lynched in the white part of town should have whitened himself up a bit.

    You are who you are and you cant say its stupid to be that way or to not hide it, I think society and the law in that society has the responsibility to protect everyone from the types of people who would do this sort of thing. I'd imagine the type of person who'd do this would be a violent criminal with a history as long as your arm.

    If he was ginger would you say it was stupid and irresponsible of him not to dye his hair as he knew some people mgiht have a problem with him ? Or would ya say he has red hair and he shouldnt have to hide it based on what others may think ?

    They have every right to be as "gay" as they like, other people should need get used to it. Society in general has no problem with homosexuality, theres a small number of nutcases will do this thing to anyone for any reason and the victims are in no way to blame just because they happen to offend someone with their existence.

    It's about protecting yourself and using common sense. I should be able to leave my front door open and not worry about my house being robbed. A black man should be able to walk into a KKK meeting without fear of being strung up. A drunk girl should be able to walk home along Rape Street without fear of being attacked. But in the real world this isn't the case. We don't live in a utopia yet. There's no point saying it's the bigots problem to deal with because it isn't them who get hurt.


  • #54
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    MagicSean wrote: »
    It's about protecting yourself and using common sense. I should be able to leave my front door open and not worry about my house being robbed. A black man should be able to walk into a KKK meeting without fear of being strung up. A drunk girl should be able to walk home along Rape Street without fear of being attacked. But in the real world this isn't the case. We don't live in a utopia yet. There's no point saying it's the bigots problem to deal with because it isn't them who get hurt.

    But he wasnt leaving his home open or walking into a bigot rally, he was on the street of his home town or at a party or whatever being who he was. Thats what offended those guys (if that why he was killed). If I was living in a gay part of town where there was a strong anti straight vibe I wouldnt be out in a pink cardigan pretending to be gay to avoid trouble, and I wouldnt be stupid for not doing so.

    They are gay, to say "tone it down for your own safety" is rubbish. Its the exact same as telling a black guy there are racists around (which there is) that he should stop being so openly black. Its a stupid argument.

    Unless you all know something I dont about how he was and how he acted on that night to the people or person who attacked him I dont understand how it comes down to being "too gay".


  • #55
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    This sounds like the kind of horrific scenario AH posters proudly proclaim they would bring about on a daily basis. Maybe he was a high-level banker or politician or traveller?


  • #56
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    MungBean wrote: »
    But he wasnt leaving his home open or walking into a bigot rally, he was on the street of his home town or at a party or whatever being who he was. Thats what offended those guys (if that why he was killed). If I was living in a gay part of town where there was a strong anti straight vibe I wouldnt be out in a pink cardigan pretending to be gay to avoid trouble, and I wouldnt be stupid for not doing so.

    They are gay, to say "tone it down for your own safety" is rubbish. Its the exact same as telling a black guy there are racists around (which there is) that he should stop being so openly black. Its a stupid argument.

    Unless you all know something I dont about how he was and how he acted on that night to the people or person who attacked him I dont understand how it comes down to being "too gay".

    In a lot of cases its easier to spot a gay man over a black man.

    And this is the real world kid, gay people shouldnt be beaten up but it happens so either be smart or be stupid choice is yours/theirs


  • #57
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    In a lot of cases its easier to spot a gay man over a black man.

    And this is the real world kid, gay people shouldnt be beaten up but it happens so either be smart or be stupid choice is yours/theirs

    I've been attacked twice on the main street of my home town, both times for no reason. By your logic I should never go anywhere again. Theres violence everywhere and directed at all people. To say its stupid to be who you are while theres a risk that some scumbag will take issue with it is an extremely simplistic view of the world.

    I'm not gay, if I was and I was a camp person I'd be a camp person. I wouldnt pretend to be something else just in case I happen to run into some nutjob with a penchant for burning homosexuals.

    Lifes too short to live in constant fear of small minded biggots and change your life to suit what they want.


  • #58
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Is this just a rip thread or are we allowed a discussion?

    Obviously a sick thing to happen a truly shocking incident i couldn't even imagine.


    But i think gay people have a responsibility to protect themselves and should perhaps be less 'out there'. I know its not right but there is a danger to gay people and it would be stupid of them to put themselves at such risks by being so 'gay'.

    I know myself as a protestant that if i wear my finest orange gear and rangers jersey that im likely to face consequences- different i know but its about expecting consequences for actions. Not right but the world isn't just puppies and rainbows.

    Were you born full of shíte or is it a skill you've acquired over the years?


  • #59
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    MungBean wrote: »
    I've been attacked twice on the main street of my home town, both times for no reason. By your logic I should never go anywhere again. Theres violence everywhere and directed at all people. To say its stupid to be who you are while theres a risk that some scumbag will take issue with it is an extremely simplistic view of the world.

    I'm not gay, if I was and I was a camp person I'd be a camp person. I wouldnt pretend to be something else just in case I happen to run into some nutjob with a penchant for burning homosexuals.

    Lifes too short to live in constant fear of small minded biggots and change your life to suit what they want.

    It's all about risk level. Some people are just at a higher risk of being a victim because of their clothing/actions. It's unfortunate but it's life. If there had been an easier target near you then they would have been attacked instead.
    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Were you born full of shíte or is it a skill you've acquired over the years?

    That's a bit uncalled for


  • #60
    newmug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    MungBean wrote: »
    Lifes too short to live in constant fear of small minded biggots and change your life to suit what they want.

    It can get a lot shorter if you dont! Common sense!


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  • #61
    shampoosuicide
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭shampoosuicide


    "In a lot of cases its easier to spot a gay man over a black man."

    smh.


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