Young man viciously assaulted and left to die

efb

I read this story and was shaken by it. It's disgusting.

A gay man who was killed and left at the side of the road with 'horrific' injuries could have been the victim of a homophobic attack, it has emerged.

It’s believed Stuart Walker, 28, was beaten and burned alive before he was tied to a lamppost and left there in the early hours of Saturday morning.

His charred remains were found by a member of the public at 5am on Saturday in Cumnock, Ayrshire, Scotland.

Detectives today launched a murder inquiry following the grim discovery, with streets in a nearby industrial estate sealed off as part of the ongoing investigation.

Strathclyde Police confirmed the body had scorch marks and the victim had suffered horrific injuries.

A spokesperson for the force said relatives of Mr Walker, the former assistant manager at the Royal Hotel in, Cumnock, have been informed of his death.

Strathclyde Police would not rule out that Mr Walker had been murdered because of his sexuality and were now closely examining all aspects of the victim’s life.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2052522/Man-beaten-burned-alive-victim-homophobic-attack.html#ixzz1bey7oIZP

daddydick

It's bad alright. However I'm currently engulfed in THE FEAR which in my opinion makes this look like a great day out for the lads.

woodoo

He did die

Immaculate Pasta

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Heybq1s79Y

Giselle

NuckyT wrote: »

"I like my beer cold and my homosexuals flamin' "

Some poor guy lost his life, under horrible circumstances.

orourkeda

woodoo wrote: »

He did die

we gathered

woodoo

orourkeda wrote: »

we gathered

Left to die seems like he was just left to die but may have been rescued. He was murdered.

fran oconnor

Sad times when sh!te like this can still happen, RIP.

Saila

is there any point having a news forum anymore

manlad

We live in a horrible place sometimes, another example is that poor child in china. I just hope there is such thing as karma

jill_valentine

NuckyT wrote: »

"I like my beer cold and my homosexuals flamin' "

Just a quick reminder, this is a story about a man who was tortured to death less than 24 hours ago.

efb

woodoo wrote: »

orourkeda wrote: »

we gathered

Left to die seems like he was just left to die but may have been rescued. He was murdered.

I didn't saw he was murdered as I don't know that- he was badly beaten and set alight and died from the injuries. I doubt the people who committed this crime will be convicted of murder if they are ever caught.

pragmatic1

What kind of human filth does things like this. Hope whoever done it has a miserable life.

WindSock

daddydick wrote: »

It's bad alright. However I'm currently engulfed in THE FEAR which in my opinion makes this look like a great day out for the lads.

Why does everyone type 'the fear' in caps. Gheyzone.

efb

daddydick wrote: »

It's bad alright. However I'm currently engulfed in THE FEAR which in my opinion makes this look like a great day out for the lads.

What? I don't understand a word of the above

woodoo

efb wrote: »

I didn't saw he was murdered as I don't know that- he was badly beaten and set alight and died from the injuries. I doubt the people who committed this crime will be convicted of murder if they are ever caught.

Murdered was in the headline.

WindSock

oops, didn't realise the content of the OP as it is not quoted. Gheyzone probably wrong choice of word for the topic.

daddydick

jill_valentine wrote: »

Just a quick reminder, this is a story about a man who was tortured to death less than 24 hours ago.

Too soon?? Nope, I checked on teletext and he's definitely dead!

daddydick

efb wrote: »

What? I don't understand a word of the above

You're obviously on the dole

fran oconnor

jill_valentine wrote: »

Just a quick reminder, this is a story about a man who was tortured to death less than 24 hours ago.

Ah,sure its only human life, sure that costs fu*k all these days.

efb

woodoo wrote: »

Murdered was in the headline.

It's the Daily Mail. I desensationalised the headline

mikemac

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2052522/Man-beaten-burned-alive-victim-homophobic-attack.html

It’s believed Stuart Walker, 28

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2011/10/23/police-launch-murder-hunt-after-barman-tied-to-lamppost-and-burned-alive-86908-23508806/

The victim was named locally as Stuart Walker, 29,

Can the media not even get basic details correct
What else have they gotten wrong for this story?

MagicSean

So just to be clear, there is absolutely nothing to suggest this was a homophobic attack other than the daily mail headline.

Seems legit

jill_valentine

MagicSean wrote: »

So just to be clear, there is absolutely nothing to suggest this was a homophobic attack other than the daily mail headline.

Seems legit

The Independent are under the same impression, and it's rare you'll find those two papers agreeing on anything.

GLaDOS

MagicSean wrote: »

So just to be clear, there is absolutely nothing to suggest this was a homophobic attack other than the daily mail headline.

Seems legit

The level of malice in the attack (burning someone alive ffs) suggest whoever did it had some sort of personal problem with him. Homophobia is a reasonable possibility.

daddydick

Its a bad state of affairs when you get killed for being a gay lord. Pretty shocking death.

kerry4sam

linky

"after being apparently tied to a lamp-post and set alight"

Their really are some sick b***ards living out there! :mad: :eek:

mikemac

Good old Daily Mail, title declared they know the reason and the first paragraph it's just a theory.

murdered 'for being gay'

may have been the victim of a gay hate attack

Scotland's version of ITV and the BBC didn't speculate on homophobia and the police would not comment on it

x in the city

manlad wrote: »

We live in a horrible place sometimes, another example is that poor child in china. I just hope there is such thing as karma

and that diver supreme suarez wont score a senior club goal again and end up selling the big issue in south america...

Aoifey!

That's horrible, there are some sick people out there.

RIP

Pompey Magnus

ScienceNerd wrote: »

The level of malice in the attack (burning someone alive ffs) suggest whoever did it had some sort of personal problem with him. Homophobia is a reasonable possibility.

A reasonable possibility if this was the Medieval period perhaps, I have to say I would be amazed if a group of people in modern Scotland could be so shocked at discovering a gay person living in their community that they would feel it neccessary to basically burn him at the stake.

I may be wrong but I would suspect there is more to the story than just homophobia.

DOC09UNAM

jill_valentine wrote: »

NuckyT wrote: »

"I like my beer cold and my homosexuals flamin' "

Just a quick reminder, this is a story about a man who was tortured to death less than 24 hours ago.

Just a quick reminder, this is in after hours.

Rothmans

Absolutely disgusting.
The death penalty ought to apply to scum like that. Those who not only murder people, but ensure that the die the most painful way imaginable.
Regardless of the motive, the scum, who were capable of doing such a horrific thing to another person surrender their own right to life when they do such a horrific thing imo. They really ought to be put down for the good of society
:mad::mad::mad:

dsmythy

ScienceNerd wrote: »

The level of malice in the attack (burning someone alive ffs) suggest whoever did it had some sort of personal problem with him. Homophobia is a reasonable possibility.

Someone close to the victim is another reason for the added brutality.

Super-Rush

NuckyT wrote: »

"I like my beer cold and my homosexuals flamin' "

daddydick wrote: »

Its a bad state of affairs when you get killed for being a gay lord. Pretty shocking death.

Both of you don't post in this thread again.

GLaDOS

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

A reasonable possibility if this was the Medieval period perhaps, I have to say I would be amazed if a group of people in modern Scotland could be so shocked at discovering a gay person living in their community that they would feel it neccessary to basically burn him at the stake.

I may be wrong but I would suspect there is more to the story than just homophobia.

I said the possibility was reasonable, not the people who did it. There of course could be more to this than homophobia though.

chuckliddell

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard


same deal

vampire of kilmainham

horrific and very sad there's a lot of abombnibale evil out in the world folks
my thoughts are with his family and friends may he REST IN PEACE i just dont know how anyone could do such a horrible an vicious thing to anyone im sickined

Snowie

WindSock wrote: »

Why does everyone type 'the fear' in caps. Gheyzone.

But there all fearing there complete whimps who claim this that and th other.

Oranage2

Is this just a rip thread or are we allowed a discussion?

Obviously a sick thing to happen a truly shocking incident i couldn't even imagine.


But i think gay people have a responsibility to protect themselves and should perhaps be less 'out there'. I know its not right but there is a danger to gay people and it would be stupid of them to put themselves at such risks by being so 'gay'.

I know myself as a protestant that if i wear my finest orange gear and rangers jersey that im likely to face consequences- different i know but its about expecting consequences for actions. Not right but the world isn't just puppies and rainbows.

efb

Oranage2 wrote: »

Is this just a rip thread or are we allowed a discussion?

Obviously a sick thing to happen a truly shocking incident i couldn't even imagine.


But i think gay people have a responsibility to protect themselves and should perhaps be less 'out there'. I know its not right but there is a danger to gay people and it would be stupid of them to put themselves at such risks by being so 'gay'.

I know myself as a protestant that if i wear my finest orange gear and rangers jersey that im likely to face consequences- different i know but its about expecting consequences for actions. Not right but the world isn't just puppies and rainbows.

OK I'll keep my tiara and boa for pride, but I should be allowed walk with my boyfriend in public holding hands if we wish

DaveDaRave

jill_valentine wrote: »

Just a quick reminder, this is a story about a man who was tortured to death less than 24 hours ago.

Yeah, give it 6 months at least before cracking out the good stuff.

DaveDaRave

Oranage2 wrote: »

Is this just a rip thread or are we allowed a discussion?

Obviously a sick thing to happen a truly shocking incident i couldn't even imagine.


But i think gay people have a responsibility to protect themselves and should perhaps be less 'out there'. I know its not right but there is a danger to gay people and it would be stupid of them to put themselves at such risks by being so 'gay'.

I know myself as a protestant that if i wear my finest orange gear and rangers jersey that im likely to face consequences- different i know but its about expecting consequences for actions. Not right but the world isn't just puppies and rainbows.

Sounds like the "they were asking for it" short skirt rape defense.

newmug

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

A reasonable possibility if this was the Medieval period perhaps, I have to say I would be amazed if a group of people in modern Scotland could be so shocked at discovering a gay person living in their community that they would feel it neccessary to basically burn him at the stake.

I have to say I agree with orange there (and believe me there's a few orangemen I'd love to burn alive!). I know it was horrible, and I feel sorry for the fella, but thats how repulsed and anti-gay some people feel out there. Some people believe gayness is so wrong and haenous that all gays should be burned alive, the lads that did it probably got satisfaction from it. Thats just the reality of life.

MagicSean

ScienceNerd wrote: »

The level of malice in the attack (burning someone alive ffs) suggest whoever did it had some sort of personal problem with him. Homophobia is a reasonable possibility.

It's only one of many possibilities. It's way too early to be making this into a hate crime.

up for anything

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

A reasonable possibility if this was the Medieval period perhaps, I have to say I would be amazed if a group of people in modern Scotland could be so shocked at discovering a gay person living in their community that they would feel it neccessary to basically burn him at the stake.

I would have agreed with you but then cast my mind back to how shocked I was when Biggins posted about http://www.thejournal.ie/toddler-injured-as-gang-attack-house-with-hammers-251333-Oct2011/ a few days ago. Just because on the surface people in general seem to have matured, it doesn't mean that the vast majority actually have.

In my younger days the Scots had a reputation in Europe, even in Germany, as the most intolerant, racist, homophobic, you name it race - maybe things haven't changed or maybe the rest of Europe just hides it better.

xzanti

newmug wrote: »

Some people believe gayness is so wrong and haenous that all gays should be burned alive, the lads that did it probably got satisfaction from it. Thats just the reality of life.

I'm sure homosexuals find the hatred and ignorance bred by these people equally disgusting, but they don't go around burning people alive.. It was an act of pure evil.

It chills me to the bone to think of the sort of filth we have to share this world with.

RIP to the poor guy.

Alopex

DaveDaRave wrote: »

Sounds like the "they were asking for it" short skirt rape defense.

Sounds like someone likes to get morally outraged and offended on behalf of someone else

Orange said nothing of the sort. He even said "I know its not right but there is a danger to gay people and it would be stupid of them to put themselves at such risks"

You can acknowledge a risk without in any way defending the people causing that risk.

Gummy Panda

DaveDaRave wrote: »

Sounds like the "they were asking for it" short skirt rape defense.

No it's not. It's about being smart and safe.

newmug

xzanti wrote: »

I'm sure homosexuals find the hatred and ignorance bred by these people equally disgusting, but they don't go around burning people alive.. It was an act of pure evil.

It chills me to the bone to think of the sort of filth we have to share this world with.

RIP to the poor guy.

Dont get me wrong, I fully agree this was pure evil, and the man did not deserve it. But I'm just saying, since gayness seems to be so accepted now, people sometimes forget that there's still a massive swathe of the populace that finds it absolutely morally repugnant.

MungBean

Oranage2 wrote: »

Is this just a rip thread or are we allowed a discussion?

Obviously a sick thing to happen a truly shocking incident i couldn't even imagine.


But i think gay people have a responsibility to protect themselves and should perhaps be less 'out there'. I know its not right but there is a danger to gay people and it would be stupid of them to put themselves at such risks by being so 'gay'.

I know myself as a protestant that if i wear my finest orange gear and rangers jersey that im likely to face consequences- different i know but its about expecting consequences for actions. Not right but the world isn't just puppies and rainbows.

Thats just weak now that is. Its like saying about a black guy who was lynched in the white part of town should have whitened himself up a bit.

You are who you are and you cant say its stupid to be that way or to not hide it, I think society and the law in that society has the responsibility to protect everyone from the types of people who would do this sort of thing. I'd imagine the type of person who'd do this would be a violent criminal with a history as long as your arm.

If he was ginger would you say it was stupid and irresponsible of him not to dye his hair as he knew some people mgiht have a problem with him ? Or would ya say he has red hair and he shouldnt have to hide it based on what others may think ?

They have every right to be as "gay" as they like, other people should need get used to it. Society in general has no problem with homosexuality, theres a small number of nutcases will do this thing to anyone for any reason and the victims are in no way to blame just because they happen to offend someone with their existence.