Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

tolosenc · 21-10-2011 11:43AM

So, Hayes is in the HEC squad. Excuse my ignorance, but was he not meant to be finally retired now?

21-10-2011 11:43AM

It was all PhatPiggins' fault.

Must be a slow day at work.

Niall Ronan had better been lifting some heavy things and eating everything in sight since the Ireland v Scotland game though. He looked more like a winger than a flanker.

PhatPiggins · 21-10-2011 12:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It was all PhatPiggins' fault.

Must be a slow day at work.

Niall Ronan had better been lifting some heavy things and eating everything in sight since the Ireland v Scotland game though. He looked more like a winger than a flanker.

And I used such obvious bait too emmet ! For shame

Fishooks12 · 21-10-2011 12:18PM

tolosenc wrote: »

So, Hayes is in the HEC squad. Excuse my ignorance, but was he not meant to be finally retired now?

he's had his contract extended

21-10-2011 01:06PM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

And I used such obvious bait too emmet ! For shame

Tomás O'Leary has looked quick in his AIL games

ormond lad · 21-10-2011 01:29PM

Munster beating connacht in A interpro in the sportsground 9-3 after 25 minutes or so.
Connacht rugby has twitter feed updates
http://twitter.com/#!/connachtrugby

http://www.knockon.ie/ also have live updates on the game

SomeFool · 21-10-2011 01:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Tomás O'Leary has looked quick in his AIL games

Should have stuck with Cork Con, he'd be a winger now

Amazotheamazing · 21-10-2011 07:30PM

SomeFool wrote: »

Should have stuck with Cork Con, he'd be a winger now

Possibly should have, he's a seriously fast guy and a seriously flawed scrumhalf. I hope Munster keep Murray ahead of him, despite Murray's inexperience.

PhatPiggins · 21-10-2011 07:36PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Possibly should have, he's a seriously fast guy and a seriously flawed scrumhalf. I hope Munster keep Murray ahead of him, despite Murray's inexperience.

O'Learys been dreadful/injured/off form the past 18 months but I think we're all going way OTT with regard his talents.

'Should have stayed on the wing' :pac: The guy got selected for a Lions tour. Who was the last Irish 9 to do that? If we can get him back to his 2009 form then he's going to be an asset to Ireland and Munster.

thomond2006 · 21-10-2011 07:39PM

Mike Sherry out for 6 weeks, according to MFs. Posted by a guy who generally doesn't post unless it's genuine.

Amazotheamazing · 21-10-2011 07:41PM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

O'Learys been dreadful/injured/off form the past 18 months but I think we're all going way OTT with regard his talents.

'Should have stayed on the wing' :pac: The guy got selected for a Lions tour. Who was the last Irish 9 to do that? If we can get him back to his 2009 form then he's going to be an asset to Ireland and Munster.

The guy can't pass the ball and his incredible physicality and athleticism can't hide that.

Amazotheamazing · 22-10-2011 12:11PM

Aussie pair say Munster’s Chambers a gem
By Rory Keane, Auckland
Saturday, October 22, 2011
MUNSTER’S new signing Will Chambers has received glowing references from two of his former Queensland Reds team-mates, Will Genia and Digby Ioane.
Chambers, who previously played Rugby League in Australia for the Melbourne Storm franchise, signed a six-month deal with Tony McGahan’s side and Wallabies winger Ioane thinks Munster have signed a real gem.

"He’s a top bloke and if he gets quick ball he can break the line and cause teams problems most definitely," said Ioane.

"He had a bad year with injuries last season, but when he’s fit to play he can make something out of nothing. I’m looking forward to seeing how he gets on over there."

Australia’s star scrum-half Genia expects the hard-running centre to make a big impression in Ireland.

"From a player’s point of view, he’s an absolute team man," said Genia.

"He does everything he can to make sure the team performs well on the field. He does the basics very well. He’s a big direct player and runs hard straight lines. He runs hard, tackles hard and has a great work ethic.

"He’s a classy player and he’ll do very well at Munster."

Read more: http://irishexaminer.ie/sport/rugby/aussie-pair-say-munsters-chambers-a-gem-171573.html#ixzz1bVnhdypf

Amazotheamazing · 22-10-2011 12:12PM

Didn't realise it was a 6 month deal, that'll take him up to the end of the March, we should know if he's any use by then.

Fishooks12 · 22-10-2011 12:52PM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

O'Learys been dreadful/injured/off form the past 18 months but I think we're all going way OTT with regard his talents.

'Should have stayed on the wing' :pac: The guy got selected for a Lions tour. Who was the last Irish 9 to do that? If we can get him back to his 2009 form then he's going to be an asset to Ireland and Munster.

Completely agree in regard to TOL

People are quick to brand a player useless when he's in poor form while forgetting just how crucial he was to our grand slam success

I for one hope he comes back into form

SomeFool · 22-10-2011 01:42PM

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Completely agree in regard to TOL

People are quick to brand a player useless when he's in poor form while forgetting just how crucial he was to our grand slam success

I for one hope he comes back into form

Never suggested he was useless but perhaps his talents lie elsewhere maybe. It is interesting that he had to move to Dolphin to play 9. I wonder if he could do a Morgan Parra and slot in at 10? It's going to be difficult for Munster to keep TOL, Strings, Williams and Murray playing regularly.

danthefan · 22-10-2011 01:46PM

I'm suggesting he's useless. He can barely pass a rugby ball.

shuffol · 22-10-2011 02:38PM

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Completely agree in regard to TOL

People are quick to brand a player useless when he's in poor form while forgetting just how crucial he was to our grand slam success

I for one hope he comes back into form

Ah go way outta that, I dont like all this excessive player bashing myself but to suggest he was crucial to our Grand Slam success is bull

Fishooks12 · 22-10-2011 02:50PM

shuffol wrote: »

Ah go way outta that, I dont like all this excessive player bashing myself but to suggest he was crucial to our Grand Slam success is bull

Considering his physicality and form was kept him undisputed scrum half in that years six nations and was picked for a lions tour (where he probably would have started if not for injury) on the back of his performances I hardly think it's bull

maybe you could offer an explanation as to how it's bull rather than telling me to "go way outta that" and saying it's bull

shuffol · 22-10-2011 02:53PM

What "important" tries did he score in the 09 6 Nations.

Amazotheamazing · 22-10-2011 02:55PM

shuffol wrote: »

What "important" tries did he score in the 09 6 Nations.

I'm not a fan of his but I don't see the relevance?

Fishooks12 · 22-10-2011 02:55PM

danthefan wrote: »

I'm suggesting he's useless. He can barely pass a rugby ball.

What an exaggerated comment

He's out of form.

Granted he may not be the fastest scrum half in the world but If he could barely pass a ball do you think he would have been picked for a lions tour?

Fireball07 · 22-10-2011 02:58PM

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Ireland won the grand slam in 08

If you don't even know that why are you even commenting on a rugby forum?

:eek:

CIARAN_BOYLE · 22-10-2011 02:58PM

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Ireland won the grand slam in 08

If you don't even know that why are you even commenting on a rugby forum?

Wales won 08 Ireland won 09

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Six_Nations_Championship
http://www.rbs6nations.com/en/history.php

GerM · 22-10-2011 02:58PM

shuffol wrote: »

What "important" tries did he score in the 09 6 Nations.

Who defines a scrum half's performance by their tries scored? TOL had a very good 6N. He was aggressive, mobile, moved the ball far more quickly than he did previously and got through a lot of defensive work. His passing was infinitely more accurate also. He hasn't been a patch on the player he was since his injury and I don't think I would describe him as a crucial player for us in 2009 but he was definitely the deserved first choice and did very well.

danthefan · 22-10-2011 02:59PM

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Ireland won the grand slam in 08

I never said he played well in 09 did I, you were the one who suggested that my claim of him being crucial to Ireland's grandslam success was nonsense

Errr, no, Ireland won the slam in 2009.

To slow to delete, hate that!

And on his form, he was actually very good in the 2009 6N imo. If anyone ever bothers to watch the France game from that season again his passing is quick and accurate and he doesn't hesitate at the breakdown. Since then though, he has varied between average and just downright awful. The fact he was starting ahead of Reddan as recently as the 6N just gone is an utter joke, only Kidney would make that selection.

Fishooks12 · 22-10-2011 03:00PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Wales won 08 Ireland won 09

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Six_Nations_Championship
http://www.rbs6nations.com/en/history.php

facepalm on my behalf!

sorry!

shuffol · 22-10-2011 03:03PM

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Considering his physicality and form was kept him undisputed scrum half in that years six nations and was picked for a lions tour (where he probably would have started if not for injury) on the back of his performances I hardly think it's bull

maybe you could offer an explanation as to how it's bull rather than telling me to "go way outta that" and saying it's bull

Nice edit:D, I'm not trying to bash the guy as its been done to death but he was very average in the 09 6N, he benefitted from a general obsession with all things Munster and Irish at the time of the Lions squad announcement due to the Irish GS and Munsters recent success. Also Munster hockeyed the Ospreys in the HC the week before the squad announcement where O'Leary was excellent and totally outplayed Mike Phillips.

danthefan · 22-10-2011 03:06PM

shuffol wrote: »

Nice edit:D, I'm not trying to bash the guy as its been done to death but he was very average in the 09 6N, he benefitted from a general obsession with all things Munster and Irish at the time of the Lions squad announcement due to the Irish GS and Munsters recent success. Also Munster hockeyed the Ospreys in the HC the week before the squad announcement where O'Leary was excellent and totally outplayed Mike Phillips.

It's not hard to outplay your opposing SH when your pack is making an absolute mess of theirs.

He never would have started for the Lions, and considering how good Philips was on that tour it would have been a travesty if he did.

GerM · 22-10-2011 03:07PM

Fishooks12 wrote: »

He's out of form.

I don't think he's out of form. I think the injury has destroyed his confidence. He came back to a different game and he has struggled immensely. If he was just out of form he wouldn't be still sliding down the pecking order 2 years after his injury. Sad to say, but I think the best thing for TOL would be to get out of Ireland now and try to rebuild his career and confidence elsewhere away from the magnifying glass of Irish rugby.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 22-10-2011 03:12PM

GerM wrote: »

I don't think he's out of form. I think the injury has destroyed his confidence. He came back to a different game and he has struggled immensely. If he was just out of form he wouldn't be still sliding down the pecking order 2 years after his injury. Sad to say, but I think the best thing for TOL would be to get out of Ireland now and try to rebuild his career and confidence elsewhere away from the magnifying glass of Irish rugby.

You know I have a similar view but was going to say the best thing for him would be to spend 3 months in Dolphin ripping apart the AIL and build up his confidence. Though abroad could work

Either that or a change of position. I'm not sure that on his best he can play as an international SH. He has always relied on the fact that he is a amazing athlete physically and used that to ignore some basic skills

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