Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

CatFromHue

wixfjord wrote: »

But that's bull****, it's not revisionist if I said it then!!
Anyway, I have enough of this.

First you say he should never have been near the team this time last year and then when you look at your post from that time it says you want him to come on towards the later stages of the SA game!

Call it bull**** all you want but look at what you wrote cos it's contradicting.

CatFromHue

jacothelad wrote: »

I have never met, spoken too or heard anyone at any time say they thought Buckley should play for Ireland apart from Smal, Kidney and a few boot licking journalists. None

I posted a link on an earlier post from the Ire v SA game last year. There was a lot of people happy to have Buckley in their team then.

Technically I presume you never met them so your still right :P

Amazotheamazing

CatFromHue wrote: »

I posted a link on an earlier post from the Ire v SA game last year. There was a lot of people happy to have Buckley in their team then.

Technically I presume you never met them so your still right :P

Thing with Buckley is he's never progressed from where he was. Bit like Fitz maybe. Only a prop who can't scrummage limits a team far more than almost any other position.

Cpt_Blackbeard

jacothelad wrote: »

I have never met, spoken too or heard anyone at any time say they thought Buckley should play for Ireland apart from Smal, Kidney and a few boot licking journalists. None

So, no fans you knew thought that Buckley should play but, coaches and expert journalists did? I'd tend to side with the experts tbh.

Buckley had a good Summer tour and started the season very well. It was looking like that he had turned a corner and would turn into a good player. He had regressed massively since then but, the Buckley bashers are speaking with the value of hindsight on their sides.

CatFromHue

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Thing with Buckley is he's never progressed from where he was. Bit like Fitz maybe. Only a prop who can't scrummage limits a team far more than almost any other position.

I'm not saying he should be picked now, far from it.

All I'm trying to say is that this time last year he was playing well, had shown some consistency, and deserved to start against SA.

justsomebloke

lads keep thing civil and stick with the niceties and don't attack posters

jayteecork

Hi guys,
Just wondering about the Munster games at Musgrave park in the rabo direct.

Should I buy online or is there no problems paying on the gate on the night?

GerM

Buckley's great tour last summer is vastly overstated. It seems to have increased dramatically in terms of quality as time passes. We were still shafted in the scrums last summer by second and third choice props for NZ and Australia. His presence in the loose raised his profile massively. Showing some pretty handling and offloads isn't what I want from my tighthead. A tighthead prop has hands only for lifting and binding as far as I'm concerned and anything beyond that is a bonus. The NZ game was over as a contest and NZ were happy for us to fling the ball about a bit which suited him. He had to be taken off in the Australia game early on after injuring himself when he collapsed a scrum. His start to the season for Munster was average. They struggled badly in the scrum in some games. They lost one against the head away to LI. Buckley was never anything better than a poor prop that could have an impact late on if a game broke up. Seems to be a very nice bloke and I wish him all the best in England but I don't want him near a green jersey.

CatFromHue

The starting NZ props last year were Owen and Ben Franks and I don't remember us getting shafted.

phog

jayteecork wrote: »

Hi guys,
Just wondering about the Munster games at Musgrave park in the rabo direct.

Should I buy online or is there no problems paying on the gate on the night?

There's only 2 more games to be played in MP, next Friday night against Aironi, tickets on sale online but should be available at the gate too. April 13th -15th will see Glasgow there, again tickets at the gate should be available.

Amazotheamazing

jayteecork wrote: »

Hi guys,
Just wondering about the Munster games at Musgrave park in the rabo direct.

Should I buy online or is there no problems paying on the gate on the night?

Usually there's no problem picking up tickets during the week of the match or at the match.

GerM

CatFromHue wrote: »

The starting NZ props last year were Owen and Ben Franks and I don't remember us getting shafted.

Ben Franks (scrummaging against Buckley) isn't first choice and isn't in the same league as his brother at all. You might recall him in coming on in the WC opener when Tonga absolutely mangled him and a penalty try should have been awarded. He's the NZ Tom Court: he covers both sides but can't do it very well and doesn't get his game for NZ or Crusaders. There were very few scrums in the game last year but we were under a lot of pressure for the few that there were. That said, only having 7 men pushing will always make it impossible to evaluate the scrum.

Amazotheamazing

CatFromHue wrote: »

The starting NZ props last year were Owen and Ben Franks and I don't remember us getting shafted.

Indeed, the worst thing about Buckley is he isn't always bad, every now and then he'll scrummage well and you think, in spite of all you know, that he's turned the corner, but next week he's back to his worst. Massively frustrating player.

thomond2006

Leinster are getting their non Irish starters back this weekend i.e. Jennings, Boss, McFadden, Sexton etc

So I guess we'll have Ryan and Leamy back at least.

Corholio

Hi. I recently got hold of a Munster book and in it I discovered 3 autographs and i'm wondering if people could help me identify them. Im pretty sure the top one is Donnacha O 'Callaghan, but I dont know who the other 2 are. Pic is below. Thanks for any help anyone could give.

Flincher

I'm fairly sure the first one is ROG, I dug out my old autograph book and his signature there is similar. I think the second is Christian Cullen. I have his signature in my book as well, but Cullen was in a hurry signing it, but he does have the same line running under it so I reckon that's his.

jacothelad

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

So, no fans you knew thought that Buckley should play but, coaches and expert journalists did? I'd tend to side with the experts tbh.

Buckley had a good Summer tour and started the season very well. It was looking like that he had turned a corner and would turn into a good player. He had regressed massively since then but, the Buckley bashers are speaking with the value of hindsight on their sides.

Correct. None. They mostly laughed. Especially after seeing him get rogered and backscuttled by the Titan that is Rodney Ah You. Buckley has many natural advantages as a rugby player. He just seems to remove them along with his civvies when he gets togged out. Good for you though. Stick to your guns. Do you want him in the 6ns squad along with the Bull and Archer. As for him going backwards, is there any irony in that or is it unintentional. How do you think it worked out for Ireland with Buckley, what with the experts being so -- well--expert? We ended up with 3 props, two goodish, one iffy and one awol. can you honestly look yourself in the mirror and say 'I thought it was the right selection.' If you can you are in a very elite group. About 4 or 5 I'd say plus a few journalists who seemed to have been briefed to 'big' him up in the paper like Ward and Farrelly's nonsense about him being valuable for his 'versatility' as could 'play both sides of the scrum.' I suppose there is some truth in that he is equally appalling on both sides.

Fireball07

Corholio wrote: »

Hi. I recently got hold of a Munster book and in it I discovered 3 autographs and i'm wondering if people could help me identify them. Im pretty sure the top one is Donnacha O 'Callaghan, but I dont know who the other 2 are. Pic is below. Thanks for any help anyone could give.

You just made me realise I have that same book...except I think the 3 who signed mine are Wallace, Horan and Shaun Payne.

Flincher wrote: »

I'm fairly sure the first one is ROG, I dug out my old autograph book and his signature there is similar. I think the second is Christian Cullen. I have his signature in my book as well, but Cullen was in a hurry signing it, but he does have the same line running under it so I reckon that's his.

And I think you're right too.

Amazotheamazing

thomond2006 wrote: »

Leinster are getting their non Irish starters back this weekend i.e. Jennings, Boss, McFadden, Sexton etc

So I guess we'll have Ryan and Leamy back at least.

Good news, we need to keep the pressure up on the Ospreys. Ideally we'll see Ryan in the second row, and a Leamy, POM, Coughlan backrow.

Cpt_Blackbeard

jacothelad wrote: »

Correct. None. They mostly laughed. Especially after seeing him get rogered and backscuttled by the Titan that is Rodney Ah You. Buckley has many natural advantages as a rugby player. He just seems to remove them along with his civvies when he gets togged out. Good for you though. Stick to your guns. Do you want him in the 6ns squad along with the Bull and Archer. As for him going backwards, is there any irony in that or is it unintentional. How do you think it worked out for Ireland with Buckley, what with the experts being so -- well--expert? We ended up with 3 props, two goodish, one iffy and one awol. can you honestly look yourself in the mirror and say 'I thought it was the right selection.' If you can you are in a very elite group. About 4 or 5 I'd say plus a few journalists who seemed to have been briefed to 'big' him up in the paper like Ward and Farrelly's nonsense about him being valuable for his 'versatility' as could 'play both sides of the scrum.' I suppose there is some truth in that he is equally appalling on both sides.

Buckley's inclusion in last years autumn internationals was being discussed, not his inclusion in the WC squad. I did not want him to travel, Ive gone on record calling for 5 props to travel - I still think this would have been the right decision, when Buckley was the only tried player who could fill in the 4th spot. McFadden was a waste of a space, he shouldnt have traveled if he was viewed no better than 3rd in any position.

I've already posted on Archer too. Hagan is the obvious 2nd choice but, Archer now has a better prospect of progressing as the man responsible for the Ulster Scrum is now training with Archer every day. Archer is currently terrible but, he has potential. He has notably improved since he was doing LH impressions at TH last season.

You might be able to post a reply based in fact, if you actually call me up on things I've actually said in future. I usually find that its more conducive to a decent discussion rather than putting words in someone else's mouth. :rolleyes:

Archer is currently terrible, yet has better potential than Hagan, a player who should have travelled to the WC ahead of the oversized air mattress?

You're a gas chancer Cpt.

Amazotheamazing

Deleted User wrote: »

Archer is currently terrible, yet has better potential than Hagan, a player who should have travelled to the WC ahead of the oversized air mattress?

You're a gas chancer Cpt.

Have to agree, Archer has been poor this season, only problem Hagan will have is getting games ahead of Ross.

There's a shocking amount of "ordinary" Cork Con players with Munster.

danthefan

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

Buckley's inclusion in last years autumn internationals was being discussed, not his inclusion in the WC squad. I did not want him to travel, Ive gone on record calling for 5 props to travel - I still think this would have been the right decision, when Buckley was the only tried player who could fill in the 4th spot. McFadden was a waste of a space, he shouldnt have traveled if he was viewed no better than 3rd in any position.

Buckley? Yes you did.

Cpt_Blackbeard

Deleted User wrote: »

Archer is currently terrible, yet has better potential than Hagan, a player who should have travelled to the WC ahead of the oversized air mattress?

You're a gas chancer Cpt.

I was saying that he has a better chance of progressing than the Ulster lads, who have effectively lost their scrum coach. I stated that he is second in the line. He should come on leaps under Feek.

Cpt_Blackbeard

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

There's a shocking amount of "ordinary" Cork Con players with Munster.

Couldn't agree more. Off the top of my head, all the players who aren't worth their place in the squad are from Cork or Fogarty.

CIARAN_BOYLE

danthefan wrote: »

Buckley? Yes you did.

I don't usually agree with Captain Blackbeard with his extreme Munster bias and all but I seem to remember him calling for Horan and Hayes to travel instead of Buckley and MacFadden

Cpt_Blackbeard

danthefan wrote: »

Buckley? Yes you did.

I seem to remember pushing him ahead of Court for the 5th spot actually. My reasoning being that he is a better TH and cover at TH was a bigger need than at LH. Being Irish and having the ability to put in the occasional great 5minute burst also helped him in my reasoning.

Court is a better LH than Buckley a TH but, if we had to rely on either, we would have been lucky to get out of the group. I would have had either on the bench in case of emergency but, I wouldn't have wanted either to get on the field otherwise.

danthefan

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

I seem to remember pushing him ahead of Court for the 5th spot actually. My reasoning being that he is a better TH and cover at TH was a bigger need than at LH. Being Irish and having the ability to put in the occasional great 5minute burst also helped him in my reasoning.

Court is a better LH than Buckley a TH but, if we had to rely on either, we would have been lucky to get out of the group. I would have had either on the bench in case of emergency but, I wouldn't have wanted either to get on the field otherwise.

You picked Horan, Hayes and Buckley all ahead of Court.

Amazotheamazing

danthefan wrote: »

You picked Horan, Hayes and Buckley all ahead of Court.

I'd have Buckley at TH ahead of Court too, Court is as inconsistent as Buckley, only less Irish.

PhatPiggins

Archer has no potential other then as a human sand bag. He could have Roly Meates and Greg Feek working with him around the clock and he still could push a tire down a hill. Archer is only still around because he's the least useless of Ryan's one to three + Borlasse, further helped by Buckley and Hayes are gone/going.

Munster/IRFU should seriously consider sponsoring goodwill tours to Georgia, we need to get a few of their 189 international standard TH's interested in playing for ireland