Is Sean Gallagher telling lies

raymon · 19-10-2011 03:26PM

Today when I was out for lunch I was shocked to see posters of Gallagher posted around the shopping centre.

Didn't half put me off my lunch .

I know the FFers, SGers will say that he only said he wouldn't use lampposts

Fair enough this may not be an outright lie like the rest... but come on , this is a bit much....

KELTICKNIGHTT · 19-10-2011 05:41PM

jmayo wrote: »

Ah come on he has trying obfuscate his political connections and history with ff.
In other words he has actively lied about those connections.
He has been so blatant that it is actually insulting to any common sense thinking non connected voter.
I don't want a president that speaks with a forked tongue.

None of them really inspire, but why do we need some Obamesque president ?
In the grand scheme of things they are just a figurehead and that is why it is so important they have some honest decency and are not ultra conservatives like a couple of them.

Michael D is the best and at least has an honest streak where he has in the past stood by his principles even though it might not have been the most popular or best course of action.
I am in particular talking about his stance on US/Regan foreign policy.

Ah come on now you have been at the forefront of his defense.
You are now sounding like those ex posters around here who started their posts with "i am not a ff member/supporter but...."

We will have a new party by next election.
It will be called "We were not active in ff" and will be populated by all those who once were in ff. :rolleyes:
Just call me cynical.

and the new partys line will be : come on

I don't buy into any of these candidates
michael d might be best them just barely if he last full term of 7 years looking at his age
sad if this the best you have in candidates

when posters make accusations,Yes i ask them too verify or proof
when they make stupid comments ,yes i ask them too verify or proof
When posters make accusations who they think they support ,,yes i ask them too verify or proof.
There's enough political party people on these boards doing the spinning just to get brownie points for there candidates
I don't like any of candidates but know who I won't be voting for

KELTICKNIGHTT · 19-10-2011 05:42PM

Wallflower wrote: »

Little "spot-check" on this thread...........keep things in check, so to speak!

Is Sean Gallagher telling lies?

Yes. He is. Actually, lying through his bottom teeth (don't know if he has top ones, so I can't comment on that).

Hope this helps.

doesn't really help
just the soap show continues :rolleyes:

CDfm · 19-10-2011 06:58PM

jmayo wrote: »

Michael D is the best and at least has an honest streak where he has in the past stood by his principles even though it might not have been the most popular or best course of action.
I am in particular talking about his stance on US/Regan foreign policy.

My recollection had Professor Higgins as a very pro the USSR and Eastern Bloc Communists and supporting dodgy organisations like the Sandanista's.

Eastward rather than Westward looking and very much anti US -whatever the regime.

gizmo555 · 19-10-2011 10:03PM

CDfm wrote: »

My recollection had Professor Higgins . . . supporting dodgy organisations like the Sandanista's . . .

. . . very much anti US

What was dodgy about supporting the Sandinistas when they were rebelling against the murdering and torturing kleptocratic Somoza dynasty?

Higgins isn't and wasn't anti-US. He was justifiably anti some aspects of US government foreign policy. (You may recall, by the way, that in this instance that foreign policy encompassed the Iran-Contra scandal, during which Ollie North travelled on a fake Irish passport when selling arms to Iran to raise money to fund the rightwing counter-revolution against the Sandinistas.)

A big plus in Higgins's favour if you ask me!

CDfm · 19-10-2011 10:24PM

What is wrong with an ordinary Joe being President.

edanto · 19-10-2011 10:27PM

There's nothing ordinary about this Joe.

Extraordinary slick campaign. Wonder how much the TV ad slots cost?

CDfm · 19-10-2011 10:42PM

edanto wrote: »

There's nothing ordinary about this Joe.

Extraordinary slick campaign. Wonder how much the TV ad slots cost?

Why should a professional politician and intellectual be the president.

Higgins is part of the establishment and Gallagher is not.

edanto · 19-10-2011 10:46PM

CDfm wrote: »

Higgins is part of the establishment and Gallagher is not.

We voted Gallagher's Establishment out last time 'round.

Are you seriously giving out about 'the Establishment' in one post and then defending US hegemony/Foreign policy in another?

Make your mind up man.

Ald · 19-10-2011 11:04PM

I think the issue of SG and the 'establishment' will be put to bed tomorrow in the papers. One paper is running a story of a secret FF fund raiser that cost €5000/head to attend, at which Cowen attended. Sin sin on that one I suppose. Mix that with the FFer that mentioned the 'market research' on the Week in Politics on Sunday in which he said the consensus for that was the people wanted an independent.

So now we know SG is a FF man out and out and is supported as such by the party. And we also know why he ran as an independent...

Q.E.D.

gizmo555 · 19-10-2011 11:06PM

CDfm wrote: »

What is wrong with an ordinary Joe being President.

CDfm wrote: »

Higgins is part of the establishment and Gallagher is not.

Are you seriously suggesting a candidate who was a member of Fianna Fáil's National Executive as recently as nine months ago is a non-establishment "ordinary Joe"?

Liam Byrne · 19-10-2011 11:09PM

gizmo555 wrote: »

Are you seriously suggesting a candidate who was a member of Fianna Fáil's National Executive as recently as nine months ago is a non-establishment "ordinary Joe"?

Seems so.....and by the way the IMF aren't coming

:rolleyes:

CDfm · 19-10-2011 11:10PM

edanto wrote: »

We voted Gallagher's Establishment out last time 'round.

Gallagher was not in power or in government in any shape or form.

David Begg of ICTU and the Central Banks Audit Commitee was a significant decision maker , unelected and as powerful as any politician on any day and still is.

Are you seriously giving out about 'the Establishment' in one post and then defending US hegemony/Foreign policy in another?

Showing my age , Higgins is and was very left wing, and very much part of the establishment.

I have an economics background I look at the personel and thinkers behind the system and I am very against our social partnership behind closed doors style of government.

Make your mind up man.

I am trying to be objective here and have not made a decision on who to vote for yet .

So discussing it and the merits are important.

gizmo555 · 19-10-2011 11:13PM

CDfm wrote: »

Higgins is and was very left wing

Newsflash - Labour Party candidate holds left wing views shock!!!!

At least he's running as the candidate of the party he belongs to, and not resigning from it with the specific intent of standing for election as an allegedly "independent" candidate.

jonniebgood1 · 19-10-2011 11:15PM

gizmo555 wrote: »

Newsflash - Labour Party candidate holds left wing views shock!!!!

Fair enough- but how much left wing is acceptable to the majority?

gizmo555 · 19-10-2011 11:18PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

Fair enough- but how much left wing is acceptable to the majority?

We'll see when the votes are counted I suppose. Unlike Gallagher, Higgins is not trying to play down his long-term political affiliations, so the voters will be clear on what he stands for.

edanto · 19-10-2011 11:25PM

Ald wrote: »

I think the issue of SG and the 'establishment' will be put to bed tomorrow in the papers. One paper is running a story of a secret FF fund raiser that cost €5000/head to attend, at which Cowen attended. Sin sin on that one I suppose.

Any more detail on that story? Was it a fundraiser for the Gallagher campaign?

charlemont · 19-10-2011 11:28PM

raymon wrote: »

Today when I was out for lunch I was shocked to see posters of Gallagher posted around the shopping centre.

Didn't half put me off my lunch .

I know the FFers, SGers will say that he only said he wouldn't use lampposts

Fair enough this may not be an outright lie like the rest... but come on , this is a bit much....

Saw them in Mahon Point as well.

gazman1975 · 19-10-2011 11:28PM

gallagher a bluffer we are in big trouble if he is president. doesnt have any presence only in the race for the money. there should be a huge pay cut in the salary same as for tds so you get candidates who want to do the job, not just there for the money.

isthatit · 19-10-2011 11:35PM

gazman1975 wrote: »

gallagher a bluffer we are in big trouble if he is president. doesnt have any presence only in the race for the money. there should be a huge pay cut in the salary same as for tds so you get candidates who want to do the job, not just there for the money.

pay peanuts get monkeys

gazman1975 · 19-10-2011 11:36PM

Wallflower wrote: »

Little "spot-check" on this thread...........keep things in check, so to speak!

Is Sean Gallagher telling lies?

Yes. He is. Actually, lying through his bottom teeth (don't know if he has top ones, so I can't comment on that).

Hope this helps.

haha that mouth is freaky his bottom lip has a life of its own:eek:

gizmo555 · 19-10-2011 11:36PM

isthatit wrote: »

pay peanuts get monkeys

We paid well over the odds by any standards for the crew that ran this country on to the rocks.

edanto · 19-10-2011 11:38PM

CDfm wrote: »

David Begg of ICTU and the Central Banks Audit Commitee was a significant decision maker , unelected and as powerful as any politician on any day and still is.

I don't see why you have repeatedly brought up David Begg. He's not running for president? Can we just leave him out of it.

I am very against our social partnership behind closed doors style of government.

And me too. I am also against a lot of the stuff that went on behind closed doors in our last few governments. And under tents at Galway.

I am trying to be objective here and have not made a decision on who to vote for yet.

Fair enough. The best of luck with your decision. For me, Higgins' record is more impressive than Gallaghers. 40 years of genuine compassion and action on human rights trumps a few months of PR and creation of an 'independent' narrative.
So discussing it and the merits are important.

isthatit · 19-10-2011 11:40PM

gizmo555 wrote: »

We'll see when the votes are counted I suppose. Unlike Gallagher, Higgins is not trying to play down his long-term political affiliations, so the voters will be clear on what he stands for.

what exactly do labour stand for. half of them where in the ira yet they are anti republican. they claim to be left wing but continually go into power with the most right wing party in the country and implement there right wing policies. they claim to be against corruption and cronieism and yet take bribes from the self serving unions and give public jobs to their buddies. in fact even during the last election when they saw their popularity falling they changed thei policies halfway through the campaign

Ald · 19-10-2011 11:41PM

edanto wrote: »

Any more detail on that story? Was it a fundraiser for the Gallagher campaign?

Yes, it was a fund raiser for SG. Only heard the headline from the Late Debate paper review on RTé. Didn't get what paper it's going to be in either. Will be an interesting read...

McGuinness and Higgins are who'll be getting my vote. Two Republicans with a genuine desire for change and betterment. But not just that, they can back up the flowery language with examples of their previous work.

I don't know why I'd want to be represented by a builder with minimal legal expertise. The only thing he'd be good for in the áras is kitting it out with digital services or whatever area of excellence he professes to. If we're lucky he might even stick an extension on it for us.

isthatit · 19-10-2011 11:44PM

gizmo555 wrote: »

We paid well over the odds by any standards for the crew that ran this country on to the rocks.

and you think paying them less would have sorted out the problem.was labour objecting to the high wages they where on did they refuse to take the money or invest it in community groups or hospitals

KELTICKNIGHTT · 19-10-2011 11:45PM

isthatit wrote: »

what exactly do labour stand for. half of them where in the ira yet they are anti republican. they claim to be left wing but continually go into power with the most right wing party in the country and implement there right wing policies. they claim to be against corruption and cronieism and yet take bribes from the self serving unions and give public jobs to their buddies. in fact even during the last election when they saw their popularity falling they changed thei policies halfway through the campaign

better than killing Innocent people and bombing them like so called ex-terrorist MARTY MC GUINNESS

CDfm · 19-10-2011 11:53PM

gizmo555 wrote: »

Newsflash - Labour Party candidate holds left wing views shock!!!!

At least he's running as the candidate of the party he belongs to, and not resigning from it with the specific intent of standing for election as an allegedly "independent" candidate.

Ok, we really need a Higgins has not denied being a communist spy thread.

I am into my history and there was a popular british historian AJP Taylor who would always take the pro-soviet line.

Its a bit like that here , and when I see Higgins views I think all very nice but hardly alligned with the west here and like it or not its where we are.

Higgins reminds me of that.

I have also found his big politics often put his political ideological beliefs before the national interest.

All our parties are centrist and I wonder is he is a left of left dinosaur.

Happyman42 · 19-10-2011 11:54PM

Ald wrote: »

Yes, it was a fund raiser for SG. Only heard the headline from the Late Debate paper review on RTé. Didn't get what paper it's going to be in either. Will be an interesting read...
.

Front page headline in the Indo tomorrow.

Gallagher down in a ball of flames I'd imagine.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 20-10-2011 12:35AM

Happyman42 wrote: »

Front page headline in the Indo tomorrow.

Gallagher down in a ball of flames I'd imagine.

still be ahead of poor MMG

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