Is Sean Gallagher telling lies

KELTICKNIGHTT · 19-10-2011 10:28AM

Fred Cohen wrote: »

As Head of State can he attend Church ceremonies while living (in Church eyes) in an official adulterous relationship?

grasping at straws here,aren't you

CDfm · 19-10-2011 10:31AM

raymon wrote: »

I am no fan of the labour or Eamon Gilmore

Again you want to engage in whataboutery.

Do you have something to add to the op ?

It is a relevant issue about a cadre from UCG Gilmore and Higgins have that connection and you mentioned the IT.

I am just concerned that you are not applying your standards consistantly and am helping you out here.

raymon · 19-10-2011 10:33AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

only thing this thread tells me is posters bringing up personal family lifr of sean gallagher is poor taste
maybe worried fine gael supporters etc
it's the second or third time SG family life has being brought into,
mc guinness family hasn't been brought into it and he's a more toxic canidate

Absolutely agree , family should not be brought into this

swampgas · 19-10-2011 10:33AM

CDfm wrote: »

There are a lot of Labour Party members who are less than straight about their pasts.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/letters/2010/1018/1224281343708.html

Thats the leader of the Party your prefered candidate represents.

Not a big fan of Eamon Gilmore either, but he at least he isn't pretending to be an independent, or that he left the Labour Party two years ago ...

SG, on the other hand ...

Ald · 19-10-2011 10:38AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

your out of line here ,its a family matter and has NOTHING to do with election ,poor taste making comments

What's wrong with saying 'second wife'?

I was commenting on the leaflet that he believed was wasteful and bad for the envirnoment on which is a picture of him and his second wife.

What I state is fact. End of. I'm not expressing my views that he has a second wife to which I stated above I couldn't give a fig. I think you are being over sensitive. Maybe a campaigner for SG and worried about damaging his reputation with the hardcore right wing bigots in the Catholic Church?

KELTICKNIGHTT · 19-10-2011 10:43AM

swampgas wrote: »

Not a big fan of Eamon Gilmore either, but he at least he isn't pretending to be an independent, or that he left the Labour Party two years ago ...

SG, on the other hand ...

Guy's
I don't believe any politician's,
They all tell people specially in elections what they want to hear
I think people should look which canidate will help Ireland in next 7 years.
None of them inspire people from what I'M hearing
Think people more worried about budget in november 6th,as to be worse budget in decades in this country.so the sooner this election is over,the better.
Think most people have made up there mind's who there voting for
media and debates won't change much
all depends on turn out on the day.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 19-10-2011 10:46AM

Ald wrote: »

What's wrong with saying 'second wife'?

I was commenting on the leaflet that he believed was wasteful and bad for the envirnoment on which is a picture of him and his second wife.

What I state is fact. End of. I'm not expressing my views that he has a second wife to which I stated above I couldn't give a fig. I think you are being over sensitive. Maybe a campaigner for SG and worried about damaging his reputation with the hardcore right wing bigots in the Catholic Church?

everyone knows what was said about leaflets,old news
now you bringing the church into it,grasping at straws
I would hope Ireland has moved on from small minded Ireland of the past to Ireland of mordern future and it's people can make better future
the less said about the church the better.

Zubeneschamali · 19-10-2011 10:47AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

Think most people have made up there mind's who there voting for
media and debates won't change much

"Everyone stop debating now while Gallagher is winning!"

Ald · 19-10-2011 10:55AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

everyone knows what was said about leaflets,old news
now you bringing the church into it,grasping at straws
I would hope Ireland has moved on from small minded Ireland of the past to Ireland of mordern future and it's people can make better future
the less said about the church the better.

I didn't bring the church into it. If you read back annulment is mentioned by whywonder.

Small minded is your attempt to control what is said about SG.

What is wrong with saying 'second wife'? Am I incorrect that she is the second? What I said was a side remark. It wasn't intended to suggest I had anything against divorce and marrying again.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 19-10-2011 10:58AM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

"Everyone stop debating now while Gallagher is winning!"

SG probally won't win
but no one can know till after election day,can they
depends how many people vote,
voting in this election isn't as important to people as general election,
but if turn out is poor,that will help MMG ,so its between michael d and sean gallagher
we all know dana hasn't a prayer
GM is not doing good,
they all make a last stance next week
but over all ,we have a idea who's in with a chance

jmayo · 19-10-2011 11:00AM

CDfm wrote: »

There are a lot of Labour Party members who are less than straight about their pasts.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/letters/2010/1018/1224281343708.html

Thats the leader of the Party your prefered candidate represents.

But are they running for president ?
There are a few candidates in this election who have undesirable connections and all of them are trying to lei about those connections.
At least the other four are upfront about who they belong to.

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

your out of line here ,its a family matter and has NOTHING to do with election ,poor taste making comments

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

Guy's
I don't believe any politician's,
They all tell people specially in elections what they want to hear
...

There is a difference between a politican spinning what you are going to do and basically lying to disavow their own past.
gallagher is doing the same stuff as mcguinness.
They think they can feed any ould bullsh** to the electorate and get away with it.

gallagher has lied about his connections to ff and basically is trying to hoodwink people with his claims of non activity with the ff party.
It is as laughable as mcguinness claiming he left the IRA back in 1974.

FFS most parties would love a member with his level of non activity.
He sits on national executive of the party and he goes around the country launching the election campaigns of numerous TDs running for election.

The other thing he lied about was how he had become disenfranchised wth the way the party had gone and the decisions they had taken, yet in his resignation letter from the national executive in Feb 2011 he signed off by stating his continued support for the party at this trying time.
Then he went on to lauch election campaigns.
And this was all after the IMF had to be called in after ff disastrous decisions.

There are also serious questions about him with regard to the claims made on the prospectus for the BES investment drive for his company.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 19-10-2011 11:02AM

Ald wrote: »

I didn't bring the church into it. If you read back annulment is mentioned by whywonder.

Small minded is your attempt to control what is said about SG.

What is wrong with saying 'second wife'? Am I incorrect that she is the second? What I said was a side remark. It wasn't intended to suggest I had anything against divorce and marrying again.

why bring SG family life into it,WHY ?
In what ever context
Irish people always prided there family life,

i'ts poor taste

thread is about SG lying ?
so how about back on thread .

Ald · 19-10-2011 11:07AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

why bring SG family life into it,WHY ?
In what ever context
Irish people always prided there family life,

i'ts poor taste

thread is about SG lying ?
so how about back on thread .

I didn't bring his family life into it. You did. My original point was his deception regards leaflets and their wastefulness. I said that it was more wasteful than most because there was no substance to anything he said on it. I commented that the only thing I gained from it was how ridiculous SG would look as president because of a picture of him on his own and a picture of him and his second wife on the leaflet.

Btw, if his family life is so treasured he wouldn't have her on the leaflet. He must be the only candidate to put his family on the Litir. I think you're attempting to talk on behalf of SG now.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 19-10-2011 11:09AM

jmayo wrote: »

But are they running for president ?
There are a few candidates in this election who have undesirable connections and all of them are trying to lei about those connections.
At least the other four are upfront about who they belong to.

There is a difference between a politican spinning what you are going to do and basically lying to disavow their own past.
gallagher is doing the same stuff as mcguinness.
They think they can feed any ould bullsh** to the electorate and get away with it.

gallagher has lied about his connections to ff and basically is trying to hoodwink people with his claims of non activity with the ff party.
It is as laughable as mcguinness claiming he left the IRA back in 1974.

FFS most parties would love a member with his level of non activity.
He sits on national executive of the party and he goes around the country launching the election campaigns of numerous TDs running for election.

The other thing he lied about was how he had become disenfranchised wth the way the party had gone and the decisions they had taken, yet in his resignation letter from the national executive in Feb 2011 he signed off by stating his continued support for the party at this trying time.
Then he went on to lauch election campaigns.
And this was all after the IMF had to be called in after ff disastrous decisions.

There are also serious questions about him with regard to the claims made on the prospectus for the BES investment drive for his company.

I don't believe any potitician,
most of them should get oscor's for there tlak and promises.
SG made a mistake thinking his connection wouldn't come to light and tryed to distance himself from it
that being said
can you tell me if there's a canidate that inspires you in this soap show of a election
the canidate that might win michael d who I'm a fan of but might win,will he last 7 years,
When i saw these canidates first debate
i said o my god
this is what Ireland has too choose from
podge and rodge might be better
It's like a bad soap show getting worse

KELTICKNIGHTT · 19-10-2011 11:12AM

Ald wrote: »

I didn't bring his family life into it. You did. My original point was his deception regards leaflets and their wastefulness. I said that it was more wasteful than most because there was no substance to anything he said on it. I commented that the only thing I gained from it was how ridiculous SG would look as president because of a picture of him on his own and a picture of him and his second wife on the leaflet.

Btw, if his family life is so treasured he wouldn't have her on the leaflet. He must be the only candidate to put his family on the Litir. I think you're attempting to talk on behalf of SG now.

he wanted other canidates to share same leaflet YES or NO
did they
Doesn't seem so
so we getting more waste paper for bin

Ald · 19-10-2011 11:34AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

he wanted other canidates to share same leaflet YES or NO
did they
Doesn't seem so
so we getting more waste paper for bin

He did, yes, in the belief that it was a waste to send numerous leaflets to the same household from numerous candidates. In that belief, he went ahead and did it anyways without tweaking the system at all. So, I think he's full of wind as was his leaflet. He might have taken a stand and tweaked the system so that it only sent one leaflet to each household where there was one or more voters.

I think he's a joke myself chasing a nice wage and pension.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 19-10-2011 11:38AM

Ald wrote: »

He did, yes, in the belief that it was a waste to send numerous leaflets to the same household from numerous candidates. In that belief, he went ahead and did it anyways without tweaking the system at all. So, I think he's full of wind as was his leaflet. He might have taken a stand and tweaked the system so that it only sent one leaflet to each household where there was one or more voters.

I think he's a joke myself chasing a nice wage and pension.

so you have facts and proof that other canidates showed they would share same leaflet out side saying empty talk on media
show proof ?
and you don't think other canidates not looking what the president status will bring them in salary and other benifits
please

Ald · 19-10-2011 11:45AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

so you have facts and proof that other canidates showed they would share same leaflet out side saying empty talk on media
show proof ?
and you don't think other canidates not looking what the president status will bring them in salary and other benifits
please

What age are you?!

I said HE wanted the one leaflet with all other candidates on it.

It would seem he especially wants the salary and pension given his business is gone belly up and he has nothing else to fall back upon except politics and 'volunteerism'. The latter not going to get you a wage really is it?

The man is a spin doctor of the highest calibre.

I know it's considered low level arguement to attack another person's spelling and grammar but yours is really annoying me. Will you please consider improving your written texts?

KELTICKNIGHTT · 19-10-2011 11:51AM

Ald wrote: »

What age are you?!

I said HE wanted the one leaflet with all other candidates on it.

It would seem he especially wants the salary and pension given his business is gone belly up and he has nothing else to fall back upon except politics and 'volunteerism'. The latter not going to get you a wage really is it?

The man is a spin doctor of the highest calibre.

I know it's considered low level arguement to attack another person's spelling and grammar but yours is really annoying me. Will you please consider improving your written texts?

so you don't like what I'm saying ,,So do petty comments in this post
what age are you,when you put out something,consider giving proof
would help others to consider.
yes he did want on Leaflet with all canidates on it
show proof other canidates signed up to it ??
all candidates have there spin doctors working for them ,so what ?

Ald · 19-10-2011 11:55AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

so you don't like what I'm saying ,,So do petty comments in this post
what age are you,when you put out something,consider giving proof
would help others to consider.
yes he did want on Leaflet with all canidates on it
show proof other canidates signed up to it ??
all candidates have there spin doctors working for them ,so what ?

Have you got cognitive problems?

Where did I say the other candidates signed up for anything? We might be better going back to the discussion on his second wife. You made more sense back then!

Some may consider it petty to comment on another's typing but yours is terrible! Very hard to read and make sense of. I think makes less of any arguement you have.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 19-10-2011 11:59AM

Ald wrote: »

Have you got cognitive problems?

Where did I say the other candidates signed up for anything? We might be better going back to the discussion on his second wife. You made more sense back then!

Some may consider it petty to comment on another's typing but yours is terrible! Very hard to read and make sense of. I think makes less of any arguement you have.

more petty post
you said sg leaflets before me
yes or no
you said about leaflets in post 486 and post 497 by you about leaflets
or
maybe you should make more clear what you where getting at about the leaflets

KELTICKNIGHTT · 19-10-2011 12:06PM

Ald wrote: »

He did, yes, in the belief that it was a waste to send numerous leaflets to the same household from numerous candidates. In that belief, he went ahead and did it anyways without tweaking the system at all. So, I think he's full of wind as was his leaflet. He might have taken a stand and tweaked the system so that it only sent one leaflet to each household where there was one or more voters.

I think he's a joke myself chasing a nice wage and pension.

how does sg have control over all leaflets including other candidates ?
This is your post about leaflets.
we all know what sg said about leaflets BUT
If other candidates don't take part,won't happen
yes or no

swampgas · 19-10-2011 12:21PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

Guy's I don't believe any politician's, They all tell people specially in elections what they want to hear [...]

And when they get caught telling great whopping lies, they get called out on it and their credibility and honesty is challenged - as it should be.

SG has been caught out badly, which serves him right for trying to be so bloody devious in the first place.

The other candidates may well spin or be economical with the truth, they should be challenged in the same way when caught.

Your argument seems to be "everyone tells lies, SG told some lies, big deal, vote for him anyway because he's a great guy who is just telling lies because that's what you do to get elected".

One of the problems in this country is that politicians have become used to getting elected even when they have been caught out as corrupt liars and fraudsters. Suggesting that they can lie to our faces and that we should just accept it is more of the same.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 19-10-2011 12:27PM

swampgas wrote: »

And when they get caught telling great whopping lies, they get called out on it and their credibility and honesty is challenged - as it should be.

SG has been caught out badly, which serves him right for trying to be so bloody devious in the first place.

The other candidates may well spin or be economical with the truth, they should be challenged in the same way when caught.

Your argument seems to be "everyone tells lies, SG told some lies, big deal, vote for him anyway because he's a great guy who is just telling lies because that's what you do to get elected".

One of the problems in this country is that politicians have become used to getting elected even when they have been caught out as corrupt liars and fraudsters. Suggesting that they can lie to our faces and that we should just accept it is more of the same.

show me where i said vote for Him ??
what i was hinting at was take what politicians say with a small pinch of salt
think this country needs a new party and yes we don't have such a party yet,
Maybe before next election.

swampgas · 19-10-2011 12:29PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

show me where i said vote for Him ??

You don't - but you seem very keen to defend him.

Do you think he is being unfairly criticised?

KELTICKNIGHTT · 19-10-2011 12:35PM

swampgas wrote: »

You don't - but you seem very keen to defend him.

Do you think he is being unfairly criticised?

Don't support him but he's not the worst candidate
think norris has as much to answer,
make it even across all candidates,the spotlight is gone from norris for now.
sg mistake was thinking ff connections wouldn't haunt him and these dates did
All candidates have questions to answer

swampgas · 19-10-2011 12:49PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

Don't support him but he's not the worst candidate
think norris has as much to answer,
make it even across all candidates,the spotlight is gone from norris for now.
sg mistake was thinking ff connections wouldn't haunt him and these dates did
All candidates have questions to answer

The mainstream candidates like MDH, Gay Mitchell and and David Norris are already fairly well known to people, newcomers like SG are going to get more attention as they are coming into the race as virtual unknowns.

I agree that he's not the worst candidate, but maybe that says more about the others than about him!

CDfm · 19-10-2011 01:19PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

What do you mean by whataboutery?

Whataboutery the Dana, Gay Mitchell & Mary Davis transfers whereaboutery will they land.

jmayo · 19-10-2011 03:07PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

I don't believe any potitician,
most of them should get oscor's for there tlak and promises.
SG made a mistake thinking his connection wouldn't come to light and tryed to distance himself from it

Ah come on he has trying obfuscate his political connections and history with ff.
In other words he has actively lied about those connections.
He has been so blatant that it is actually insulting to any common sense thinking non connected voter.
I don't want a president that speaks with a forked tongue.

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

that being said
can you tell me if there's a canidate that inspires you in this soap show of a election

None of them really inspire, but why do we need some Obamesque president ?
In the grand scheme of things they are just a figurehead and that is why it is so important they have some honest decency and are not ultra conservatives like a couple of them.

Michael D is the best and at least has an honest streak where he has in the past stood by his principles even though it might not have been the most popular or best course of action.
I am in particular talking about his stance on US/Regan foreign policy.

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

show me where i said vote for Him ??
what i was hinting at was take what politicians say with a small pinch of salt
think this country needs a new party and yes we don't have such a party yet,
Maybe before next election.

Ah come on now you have been at the forefront of his defense.
You are now sounding like those ex posters around here who started their posts with "i am not a ff member/supporter but...."

We will have a new party by next election.
It will be called "We were not active in ff" and will be populated by all those who once were in ff. :rolleyes:
Just call me cynical.

Wallflower · 19-10-2011 03:10PM

Little "spot-check" on this thread...........keep things in check, so to speak!

Is Sean Gallagher telling lies?

Yes. He is. Actually, lying through his bottom teeth (don't know if he has top ones, so I can't comment on that).

Hope this helps.

Is Sean Gallagher telling lies

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