Agree with Sean Gallagher to change the Irish National Anthem ?

im invisible · 19-10-2011 12:08PM

Change the British National Anthem to make that one more inclusive instead.

Yeah, i reckon it should be changed, it should include refrence to the green nationalist part of the island, the orange unionist part, and maybe refrence some kind of peace (white) between these two communities.
Theres no way anyone could have a problem with that...

Oh wait,, leave it as it is, untill there is some kind of a united ireland.

Lady Chuckles · 19-10-2011 12:08PM

No opinion / Too Cool.

No way!! How could he even say that? :eek:

... It's like saying a museum is full of old stuff, it doesn't represent the current time - so let's throw the old stuff out and build something Ikea-looking in its place.

I'm truly flabbergasted! :eek:
... and slightly disgusted.

Lord TSC · 19-10-2011 12:10PM

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

I learned one thing in Irish class during my time in Secondary school and that was the anthem. Tbh, I reckon the majority don't even know what half of it is about anyway...

Pure Sound · 19-10-2011 12:11PM

No opinion / Too Cool.

Why change it, what a stupid statement, I could understand that it would probably have to change it if we became a 32 county Ireland but as it stands there is no point

If it was to be changed this would be perfect albeit not very national anthemy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz_dHcduUTU

newballsplease · 19-10-2011 12:11PM

No opinion / Too Cool.

MungBean wrote: »

I wont be voting for him but I agree with him on this. An actual Irish anthem would be better than the republican war song we have now.

ah hear lads seriously..how the f**k can anyone be thinking about changing our own National Anthem?
Its not a war song as such.
Its a rebel song to encourage Irish people to participate in the fight for freedom of the country.
Has been in our History for years.

And ye agree with an RTE Dragon ex Fianna fail property develpor to change it?!

i give up.

mcmoustache · 19-10-2011 12:11PM

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

It should be changed to some kind of lament or a begging song.

Seriously, though, I don't like the militaristic nature of it. It sounds disingenuous. Finland could sing a song like that without looking silly but our nation is in no position to boast about any historical military prowess.

Dravokivich · 19-10-2011 12:13PM

Maniac2000 anyone?

Banging tune that!

Morlar · 19-10-2011 12:15PM

No opinion / Too Cool.

mcmoustache wrote: »

...our nation is in no position to boast about any historical military prowess.

A guerilla army defeating the (then) most powerful empire on the planet counts as military prowess in my view.

dammitjanet · 19-10-2011 12:17PM

No opinion / Too Cool.

considering Ireland's entries for the Eurovision in recent years I don't think we're in any position to be rewriting anything

Morlar · 19-10-2011 12:19PM

No opinion / Too Cool.

Anyone else think this could just be a dragons den style plot to get Dana's transfers ?

'Listen Dana, I'll give you a new national anthem to write and sing, you just give me your transfayirs, deal ?'

Monty Burnz · 19-10-2011 12:20PM

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

I'm intrigued that there isn't the same sort of personal vilification of Gallagher for this notion as there was for Sad Mitchell when he suggested that we should consider joining the Commonwealth in exchange for a united Ireland. Is this a Fianna Failure thing or what?

Morlar · 19-10-2011 12:22PM

No opinion / Too Cool.

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I'm intrigued that there isn't the same sort of personal vilification of Gallagher for this notion as there was for Sad Mitchell when he suggested that we should consider joining the Commonwealth in exchange for a united Ireland. Is this a Fianna Failure thing or what?

To be honest I nearly fell off my chair when I heard him say it on TG4 last night.

Also very surprised at the media coverage of the debate which said Gallagher did very well and absolutely no mention of the new anthem thing. Apart from the Irish Examiner site.

I really can't imagine any other country where a presidential candidate could come out with something like that in a live presidential debate and the story to sink without trace in the national media the next day.

MungBean · 19-10-2011 12:23PM

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

newballsplease wrote: »

ah hear lads seriously..how the f**k can anyone be thinking about changing our own National Anthem?
Its not a war song as such.
Its a rebel song to encourage Irish people to participate in the fight for freedom of the country.
Has been in our History for years.

And ye agree with an RTE Dragon ex Fianna fail property develpor to change it?!

i give up.

Found it funny that tonycascarino likes your post. :pac:

But back on topic. Its a republican anthem written at a time of war about that war unless I'm mistaken. War is over, we have peace, should be really have to keep singing about it to identify ourselves as Irish ?

Its not hundreds of years old, its a rebel song from before we had an established state and was used because nobody was bothered to come up with one and that became the unofficial one until it was adopted as our actual one. Just because its been our history for years doesnt make it untouchable, cronyism has been in the history of Irish politics for years but needs to go because its now how we want things done anymore.

Same with the anthem, It excludes me because I'm not a republican fighting anyone. It excludes people with English ties, or people living in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish.

Lets not go overboard here now and act like I'm trying to poison Mary Robinson, I'm just advocating changing a song that's only linked to a dead era where fighting for freedom meant something to the people and should never have been our national anthem. That song is not about Ireland or Irish people its about fighting England. Think its time we gave all that a rest and moved on. We can surely identify ourselves as something better than "We hate the English" cant we ?

sensibleken · 19-10-2011 12:23PM

Pete M. wrote: »

No No No.

Mr. Gallagher is a gimp imho

If he does get in I guarantee that the Anthem will not be changed.

Although I can imagine him trying to do it in an X Factor, phone in, make a profit, sort of a way.

of course it wont. he has no effin idea what job he's actually running for. plus he was on the executive of fianna fail. i hope people remember that

tonycascarino · 19-10-2011 12:25PM

No opinion / Too Cool.

MungBean wrote: »

Lets not go overboard here now and act like I'm trying to poison Mary Robinson

Won't stand in your way

Morlar · 19-10-2011 12:28PM

No opinion / Too Cool.

MungBean wrote: »

.... It excludes me because I'm not a republican fighting anyone. It excludes people with English ties, or people living in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish.

Are Irish people in britain with english/british ties excluded by the British National Anthem :

Britain

God Save the Queen

God save our gracious Queen,
Long live our noble Queen,
God save the Queen!
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us,
God save the Queen!

O lord God arise,
Scatter our enemies,
And make them fall!
Confound their knavish tricks,
Confuse their politics,
On you our hopes we fix,
God save the Queen!

Not in this land alone,
But be God's mercies known,
From shore to shore!
Lord make the nations see,
That men should brothers be,
And form one family,
The wide world ov'er

From every latent foe,
From the assasins blow,
God save the Queen!
O'er her thine arm extend,
For Britain's sake defend,
Our mother, prince, and friend,
God save the Queen!

Thy choicest gifts in store,
On her be pleased to pour,
Long may she reign!
May she defend our laws,
And ever give us cause,
To sing with heart and voice,
God save the Queen!

? ? ?

How does the current Irish national anthem exclude those in the north who consider themselves Irish ?

I have never heard Irish catholics/nationalists express the feeling of exclusion on the basis of our national anthem.
The notion that the only people who feel an attachment to our Irish National anthem are 'fighting republicans' is a total nonsense in my view.

MungBean · 19-10-2011 12:29PM

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

newballsplease wrote: »

ah hear lads seriously..how the f**k can anyone be thinking about changing our own National Anthem?
Its not a war song as such.
Its a rebel song to encourage Irish people to participate in the fight for freedom of the country.
Has been in our History for years.

And ye agree with an RTE Dragon ex Fianna fail property develpor to change it?!

i give up.

Just to point out that one too. Many a young man has been encouraged by words like those and it led to many many innocent deaths. Just out of interest are you a McGuinness supporter or would you think he shouldnt be president for his role in "Fighting for the freedom of this country" ?

MungBean · 19-10-2011 12:34PM

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

Morlar wrote: »

Are Irish people in britain with english/british ties excluded by the British National Anthem :

British national anthem

? ? ?

How does the current Irish national anthem exclude those in the north who consider themselves Irish ?

I have never heard Irish catholics/nationalists express the feeling of exclusion on the basis of our national anthem.
The notion that the only people who feel an attachment to our Irish National anthem are 'fighting republicans' is a total nonsense in my view.

We are talking about the Irish Nation anthem the British one doesnt come into it. I'm not saying theres people on the streets over this I'm just saying when ya stop and think about it and what it means it doesnt reflect the nation or its people.

MagicMarker · 19-10-2011 12:34PM

Change the British National Anthem to make that one more inclusive instead.

Am I the only one who doesn't know a single word of the anthem?

newballsplease · 19-10-2011 12:36PM

No opinion / Too Cool.

MungBean wrote: »

Just to point out that one too. Many a young man has been encouraged by words like those and it led to many many innocent deaths. Just out of interest are you a McGuinness supporter or would you think he shouldnt be president for his role in "Fighting for the freedom of this country" ?

Im not a MMG supporter as such. Im not giving him my number 1. But i wouldnt see a problem with him as president because of his history.
Eamon Dev was president of Ireland once upon a time!

FetchTheGin · 19-10-2011 12:39PM

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

I think it was written at a time that different to where we are now

It should be changed to this then...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-E6jSmCFKE

MungBean · 19-10-2011 12:39PM

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

newballsplease wrote: »

Im not a MMG supporter as such. Im not giving him my number 1. But i wouldnt see a problem with him as president because of his history.
Eamon Dev was president of Ireland once upon a time!

I'd be of the same opinion. Just curious of the ratio of McGuinness is a murderer types who would identify with the "Fight for Ireland" aspect of the national anthem.

eyescreamcone · 19-10-2011 12:50PM

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

I like "The Fields of Athenry"

Everybody knows the words

positron · 19-10-2011 12:52PM

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

....
Shall set the Tyrant quaking.
....
Out yonder waits the Saxon foe,
....

Suppose it's now more relevant than ever, just think of EU overlords when you sing it...!

gurramok · 19-10-2011 12:54PM

No opinion / Too Cool.

MungBean wrote: »

Same with the anthem, It excludes me because I'm not a republican fighting anyone. It excludes people with English ties, or people living in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish.

Shouldn't people with English ties integrate into Irish society, you know when in Rome do what the Romans do!

And Irish people in Northern Ireland do sing the Irish national anthem.

Bricriu · 19-10-2011 12:54PM

faceman wrote: »

This is Ireland. Any proposal for a new National Anthem will end up like this:

A) Someone from Westlife will write it.
An X Factor type competition will ensue to get to pick who sings it.
C) Brendan O'Connor will be a judge.

No thanks.

Absolutely spot on, Faceman. You understand modern Ireland's pathetic, vacuous, post-colonial psychology to the core.

What surprises me is that that awful Louis Walsh (of production-line, covers' boy-bands) didn't stand in the presidential race. He'd probably win it!

MungBean · 19-10-2011 01:02PM

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

gurramok wrote: »

Shouldn't people with English ties integrate into Irish society, you know when in Rome do what the Romans do!

And Irish people in Northern Ireland do sing the Irish national anthem.

Well they have integrated into society and are citizens of this country. But a national anthem is about national pride and identity. By excluding them I dont mean it should be changed to not offend other people I mean our Identity now and the pride we feel is not represented in our anthem .For me it isnt anyway, ts just about conflict and fighting. Ireland and its people have a lot more to feel proud about (well did before we gave everything we had away).

FTGFOP · 19-10-2011 01:02PM

No opinion / Too Cool.

Against the idea, more for fear of what it might be replaced by than the principle of it.

I'd support schools teaching the current one in English as well as Irish though, then more folks would actually know it and know what it means. (Notwithstanding the irony of singing about of the 'Saxon foe' in English.)

PeterIanStaker · 19-10-2011 01:06PM

No opinion / Too Cool.

Feck off Sean, you're only a FF'er. He's only suggesting a change of anthem to score brownie points with the self loathing revisionist twats in the media.

Galtee · 19-10-2011 01:06PM

What a sad day when someone running for presidency has to suggest changing the National Anthem to get noticed. Leave it as it is, there's nothing wrong with it. What relevence does changing it have to anything? is it going to bring jobs to Ireland? Foreign investment will now head for Ireland because they can hum along to a different tune? It's obvious he's only doing this to wind the McGuinness campaign up in the hope that they will burst into republicanism on the back of it and scare the voting public off. Load of nonsense if you ask me.

Agree with Sean Gallagher to change the Irish National Anthem ?

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