Agree with Sean Gallagher to change the Irish National Anthem ?

Morlar

Presidential hopeful Sean Gallagher has said :

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/fourth-televised-debate-broadcast-on-tg4-524851.html

Independent candidate Sean Gallagher said he would like to see a new anthem to reflect a new Ireland.

“To make it less militaristic – I think it needs to be modernised,” he said. “I think it was written at a time that different to where we are now, and I would certainly like to see that it could be sung North and South.”

Any thoughts on this ? Should Ireland change it's national anthem to make it 'less militaristic and more inclusive' ?

Immaculate Pasta

No opinion / Too Cool.

Please not Ireland's Call.

Fukuyama

No opinion / Too Cool.

Morlar wrote: »

Presidential hopeful Sean Gallagher has said :

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/fourth-televised-debate-broadcast-on-tg4-524851.html



Any thoughts on this ? Should Ireland change it's national anthem to make it 'less militaristic and more inclusive' ?

No.

And I'm no IRA head or SF supporter. But I think it recognises the tens of thousands of people who gave their lives throughout the centuries for Ireland.

Plus, before the start of a football match we need a good song about a little killing and a murdering - not dancing with fairies and holding hands :rolleyes:

foxyboxer

No opinion / Too Cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z43KMEZ_57Q

faceman

No opinion / Too Cool.

This is Ireland. Any proposal for a new National Anthem will end up like this:

A) Someone from Westlife will write it.
An X Factor type competition will ensue to get to pick who sings it.
C) Brendan O'Connor will be a judge.

No thanks.

Morlar

No opinion / Too Cool.

Immaculate Pasta wrote: »

Please not Ireland's Call.

I voted no, but on the bright side that one would be considered 'inclusive'. To people who feel excluded by the Irish Natioanl Anthem.

It's also beat Louis Walsh or Jedward's entries.

brainteaser

No opinion / Too Cool.

agree totally with dean0088

The Scientician

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmIy8VfXPhU

foxyboxer

No opinion / Too Cool.

*economy reference*

Irland über nichts
Über nichts in der Welt.

Morlar

No opinion / Too Cool.

Anyone voting 'yes - change it' care to elaborate on why the current Irish National anthem makes them feel excluded ?

Lord Trollington

No opinion / Too Cool.

No way should the Anthem be changed. End of Discussion. Close thread.

Sykk

faceman wrote: »

This is Ireland. Any proposal for a new National Anthem will end up like this:

A) Someone from Westlife will write it.
An X Factor type competition will ensue to get to pick who sings it.
C) Brendan O'Connor will be a judge.

No thanks.

A) Who?
What?
C) Who?!

LordSutch

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

Depends on whether we want to 'woo' the North into a new dispensation (A New 32 county Ireland) - or Not? Currently the National Anthem is hated by Unionists, so maybe it is time for a change, unless of course we don't want a new dispensation on this island

El Weirdo

No opinion / Too Cool.

No.

Pete M.

No opinion / Too Cool.

No No No.

Mr. Gallagher is a gimp imho

If he does get in I guarantee that the Anthem will not be changed.

Although I can imagine him trying to do it in an X Factor, phone in, make a profit, sort of a way.

Morlar

No opinion / Too Cool.

LordSutch wrote: »

Depends on whether we want to 'woo' the North into a new dispensation (A New 32 county Ireland) - or Not? Currently the National Anthem is hated by Unionists, so maybe it is time for a change, unless of course we don't want a new dispensation on this island

That wasn't what Sean Gallagher said.

He did not say 'in the event of a united Ireland'.

He said it was too militaristic and he wanted to make it more inclusive.

I think you are adding that part about a United Ireland.

super_furry

No opinion / Too Cool.

I'm sorry Sean, nice pitch but I'm out.

billymitchell

No opinion / Too Cool.

I think it was written at a time that different towhere we are now, and I would certainly like to see that it could be sung North and South

So it should be about unemployment, emigration, poor people getting screwed over. Swap the banks for the British army, and we are not really that different a nation to when it was written.

Dun laoire

No opinion / Too Cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8DMJ3SGlzk

Nevermind_

No opinion / Too Cool.

lots of countries have militaristic national anthems, look at france and the marseillaise http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Marseillaise#Text but i think its great for sporting events when you want a rousing battle cry for your team, and adds atmosphere.

Snakeblood

Change the British National Anthem to make that one more inclusive instead.

Selected all options to see what would happen.

I'm not bothered about changing it to be honest, it's fine as it is and doesn't make me want to cut down the saxons with a sword.

If people were dead set on changing it, I wouldn't mind keeping the words etc if someone could make it a bit catchier tunewise. You listen to la Marseillaise and that's a catchy song.

Orizio

I agree with Gallagher, it should be changed, preferably to something more violent like 'the Boys Of Kilmicheal' or 'Kevin Barry'.

Plazaman

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

It's taken me nearly 40 years to learn the words to our National Anthem. Fúck off if ye think I'm learning a new one.

jester77

no, no, no. no.... sure the discos down the country wouldn't know what to do at closing time

kfallon

No opinion / Too Cool.

Change it me hole! And end up with something as pisspoor as Ireland's Call :rolleyes:

tonycascarino

No opinion / Too Cool.

What a joke that a Dragon's Den judge thinks he can be President of Ireland. As for an anthem change - no chance.

newballsplease

No opinion / Too Cool.

Plazaman wrote: »

It's taken me nearly 40 years to learn the words to our National Anthem. Fúck off if ye think I'm learning a new one.

40 years to learn a cuple of lines?




OOOOOOOOOO k?

MungBean

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

I wont be voting for him but I agree with him on this. An actual Irish anthem would be better than the republican war song we have now.

Morlar

No opinion / Too Cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wmYfT1Xvf8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

gurramok

No opinion / Too Cool.

What does Sean mean by making it more inclusive, who does it exclude? He did not say, a man of mystery indeed!

BluesBerry

No opinion / Too Cool.

No it should be kept how it is...Add another verse to it but I would not like to see it changed

im invisible

Change the British National Anthem to make that one more inclusive instead.

Yeah, i reckon it should be changed, it should include refrence to the green nationalist part of the island, the orange unionist part, and maybe refrence some kind of peace (white) between these two communities.
Theres no way anyone could have a problem with that...


Oh wait,, leave it as it is, untill there is some kind of a united ireland.

Lady Chuckles

No opinion / Too Cool.

No way!! How could he even say that? :eek:

... It's like saying a museum is full of old stuff, it doesn't represent the current time - so let's throw the old stuff out and build something Ikea-looking in its place.

I'm truly flabbergasted! :eek:
... and slightly disgusted.

Lord TSC

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

I learned one thing in Irish class during my time in Secondary school and that was the anthem. Tbh, I reckon the majority don't even know what half of it is about anyway...

Pure Sound

No opinion / Too Cool.

Why change it, what a stupid statement, I could understand that it would probably have to change it if we became a 32 county Ireland but as it stands there is no point

If it was to be changed this would be perfect albeit not very national anthemy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz_dHcduUTU

newballsplease

No opinion / Too Cool.

MungBean wrote: »

I wont be voting for him but I agree with him on this. An actual Irish anthem would be better than the republican war song we have now.

ah hear lads seriously..how the f**k can anyone be thinking about changing our own National Anthem?
Its not a war song as such.
Its a rebel song to encourage Irish people to participate in the fight for freedom of the country.
Has been in our History for years.

And ye agree with an RTE Dragon ex Fianna fail property develpor to change it?!


i give up.

mcmoustache

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

It should be changed to some kind of lament or a begging song.

Seriously, though, I don't like the militaristic nature of it. It sounds disingenuous. Finland could sing a song like that without looking silly but our nation is in no position to boast about any historical military prowess.

Dravokivich

Maniac2000 anyone?

Banging tune that!

Morlar

No opinion / Too Cool.

mcmoustache wrote: »

...our nation is in no position to boast about any historical military prowess.

A guerilla army defeating the (then) most powerful empire on the planet counts as military prowess in my view.

dammitjanet

No opinion / Too Cool.

considering Ireland's entries for the Eurovision in recent years I don't think we're in any position to be rewriting anything

Morlar

No opinion / Too Cool.

Anyone else think this could just be a dragons den style plot to get Dana's transfers ?

'Listen Dana, I'll give you a new national anthem to write and sing, you just give me your transfayirs, deal ?'

Monty Burnz

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

I'm intrigued that there isn't the same sort of personal vilification of Gallagher for this notion as there was for Sad Mitchell when he suggested that we should consider joining the Commonwealth in exchange for a united Ireland. Is this a Fianna Failure thing or what?

Morlar

No opinion / Too Cool.

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I'm intrigued that there isn't the same sort of personal vilification of Gallagher for this notion as there was for Sad Mitchell when he suggested that we should consider joining the Commonwealth in exchange for a united Ireland. Is this a Fianna Failure thing or what?

To be honest I nearly fell off my chair when I heard him say it on TG4 last night.

Also very surprised at the media coverage of the debate which said Gallagher did very well and absolutely no mention of the new anthem thing. Apart from the Irish Examiner site.

I really can't imagine any other country where a presidential candidate could come out with something like that in a live presidential debate and the story to sink without trace in the national media the next day.

MungBean

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

newballsplease wrote: »

ah hear lads seriously..how the f**k can anyone be thinking about changing our own National Anthem?
Its not a war song as such.
Its a rebel song to encourage Irish people to participate in the fight for freedom of the country.
Has been in our History for years.

And ye agree with an RTE Dragon ex Fianna fail property develpor to change it?!


i give up.

Found it funny that tonycascarino likes your post. :pac:

But back on topic. Its a republican anthem written at a time of war about that war unless I'm mistaken. War is over, we have peace, should be really have to keep singing about it to identify ourselves as Irish ?

Its not hundreds of years old, its a rebel song from before we had an established state and was used because nobody was bothered to come up with one and that became the unofficial one until it was adopted as our actual one. Just because its been our history for years doesnt make it untouchable, cronyism has been in the history of Irish politics for years but needs to go because its now how we want things done anymore.

Same with the anthem, It excludes me because I'm not a republican fighting anyone. It excludes people with English ties, or people living in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish.

Lets not go overboard here now and act like I'm trying to poison Mary Robinson, I'm just advocating changing a song that's only linked to a dead era where fighting for freedom meant something to the people and should never have been our national anthem. That song is not about Ireland or Irish people its about fighting England. Think its time we gave all that a rest and moved on. We can surely identify ourselves as something better than "We hate the English" cant we ?

sensibleken

Pete M. wrote: »

No No No.

Mr. Gallagher is a gimp imho

If he does get in I guarantee that the Anthem will not be changed.

Although I can imagine him trying to do it in an X Factor, phone in, make a profit, sort of a way.

of course it wont. he has no effin idea what job he's actually running for. plus he was on the executive of fianna fail. i hope people remember that

tonycascarino

No opinion / Too Cool.

MungBean wrote: »

Lets not go overboard here now and act like I'm trying to poison Mary Robinson

Won't stand in your way

Morlar

No opinion / Too Cool.

MungBean wrote: »

.... It excludes me because I'm not a republican fighting anyone. It excludes people with English ties, or people living in Northern Ireland who see themselves as Irish.

Are Irish people in britain with english/british ties excluded by the British National Anthem :

Britain

God Save the Queen

God save our gracious Queen,
Long live our noble Queen,
God save the Queen!
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us,
God save the Queen!

O lord God arise,
Scatter our enemies,
And make them fall!
Confound their knavish tricks,
Confuse their politics,
On you our hopes we fix,
God save the Queen!

Not in this land alone,
But be God's mercies known,
From shore to shore!
Lord make the nations see,
That men should brothers be,
And form one family,
The wide world ov'er

From every latent foe,
From the assasins blow,
God save the Queen!
O'er her thine arm extend,
For Britain's sake defend,
Our mother, prince, and friend,
God save the Queen!

Thy choicest gifts in store,
On her be pleased to pour,
Long may she reign!
May she defend our laws,
And ever give us cause,
To sing with heart and voice,
God save the Queen!

? ? ?


How does the current Irish national anthem exclude those in the north who consider themselves Irish ?

I have never heard Irish catholics/nationalists express the feeling of exclusion on the basis of our national anthem.
The notion that the only people who feel an attachment to our Irish National anthem are 'fighting republicans' is a total nonsense in my view.

MungBean

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

newballsplease wrote: »

ah hear lads seriously..how the f**k can anyone be thinking about changing our own National Anthem?
Its not a war song as such.
Its a rebel song to encourage Irish people to participate in the fight for freedom of the country.
Has been in our History for years.

And ye agree with an RTE Dragon ex Fianna fail property develpor to change it?!


i give up.

Just to point out that one too. Many a young man has been encouraged by words like those and it led to many many innocent deaths. Just out of interest are you a McGuinness supporter or would you think he shouldnt be president for his role in "Fighting for the freedom of this country" ?

MungBean

No - Keep the Irish National Anthem as it is

Morlar wrote: »

Are Irish people in britain with english/british ties excluded by the British National Anthem :

British national anthem

? ? ?


How does the current Irish national anthem exclude those in the north who consider themselves Irish ?

I have never heard Irish catholics/nationalists express the feeling of exclusion on the basis of our national anthem.
The notion that the only people who feel an attachment to our Irish National anthem are 'fighting republicans' is a total nonsense in my view.

We are talking about the Irish Nation anthem the British one doesnt come into it. I'm not saying theres people on the streets over this I'm just saying when ya stop and think about it and what it means it doesnt reflect the nation or its people.

MagicMarker

Change the British National Anthem to make that one more inclusive instead.

Am I the only one who doesn't know a single word of the anthem?

newballsplease

No opinion / Too Cool.

MungBean wrote: »

Just to point out that one too. Many a young man has been encouraged by words like those and it led to many many innocent deaths. Just out of interest are you a McGuinness supporter or would you think he shouldnt be president for his role in "Fighting for the freedom of this country" ?

Im not a MMG supporter as such. Im not giving him my number 1. But i wouldnt see a problem with him as president because of his history.
Eamon Dev was president of Ireland once upon a time!