7billion People in the World.

RichieC · 18-10-2011 01:35PM

orourkeda wrote: »

Theres room for many a more

There indeed is. However, most of us normal people will require water of which less than one half of 1 percent of the globes 300+ trillion gallons is potable.

The demand for freshwater has been increasing at a rate twice that of our population growth. 80 million extra people a year and the increasing pollution into clean water supplies that go along with it.

..but yea, you're right. There's loads of room.

Fremen · 18-10-2011 08:04PM

JupiterKid wrote: »

Yes, the global population may be 7 billion but the rate of growth is mercifully slowing down significantly.

The bigger story is that now more than half the worlds population lives in cities and towns.

No it's not. The world population is growing faster than exponentially.

Stinicker · 18-10-2011 08:09PM

Cue Kevin Myers and some raving plan for sterilising all the blacks in tomorrows Indo! :pac:

charlemont · 18-10-2011 08:17PM

arse..biscuits wrote: »

I feel guilty for having two kids now

Well don't, Its the people having large families that are creating the problems, Women in the countries with the largest population increases don't get our type of education and the men don't appear to have any idea of contraception so they have lots of children without the resources to give them a comfortable standard of living, India and Pakistan are a joke at least in China the population stabilised and the people got education in birth control etc.

Haelium · 18-10-2011 08:19PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Cue Kevin Myers and some raving plan for sterilising all the blacks in tomorrows Indo! :pac:

It wouldn't be a bad idea. If the African population continues like this then there will be even more starvation, sterilization would be humane when you think about it.

charlemont · 18-10-2011 08:23PM

Haelium wrote: »

It wouldn't be a bad idea. If the African population continues like this then there will be even more starvation, sterilization would be humane when you think about it.

Don't confuse Nigeria with the rest of Black Africa, Or North Africa in particular Egypt which is Arab not Black.

Haelium · 18-10-2011 08:26PM

charlemont wrote: »

Don't confuse Nigeria with the rest of Black Africa, Or North Africa in particular Egypt which is Arab not Black.

I think everybody knows that I'm not suggesting that the entire content be sterilized, but that is the region where the problem is most prevalent. Places like Ethiopia and Somalia could do with some serious depopulation though.

longhalloween · 18-10-2011 08:31PM

Haelium wrote: »

It wouldn't be a bad idea. If the African population continues like this then there will be even more starvation, sterilization would be humane when you think about it.

That's a REALLY bad idea. Why not sterilize the poor Indians and the Chinese while you're at it. And get those with mental disabilities and below average IQs while you're at it :rolleyes:

EDIT: Heh, imagine the chuggers on Grafton street looking to raise money for forced sterilisation of Africans.

The world is in no way overpopulated.

There just happens to be a huge problem with the allocation of resources and wealth.

RichieC · 18-10-2011 08:31PM

Haelium wrote: »

It wouldn't be a bad idea. If the African population continues like this then there will be even more starvation, sterilization would be humane when you think about it.

Wiping out a continents population through forced sterilisation would be humane? jesus f*ck. What the hell is wrong with people?

Haelium · 18-10-2011 08:48PM

RichieC wrote: »

Wiping out a continents population through forced sterilisation would be humane? jesus f*ck. What the hell is wrong with people?

It's not a pleasant concept, but it is necessary. Which is worse, sterilization now or starvation for the next few centuries? We can't be emotional about it, it's more humane in the long run. As for lower IQ, sterilization is going a bit far, but I think we should try to discourage people with mental deficiency from having children.

longhalloween wrote: »

That's a REALLY bad idea. Why not sterilize the poor Indians and the Chinese while you're at it. And get those with mental disabilities and below average IQs while you're at it

The Chinese have solved their population problem, and India is developing, many African countries are not.

longhalloween wrote: »

The world is in no way overpopulated.

1 billion in only 10 years with no sign of decline isn't overpopulation?

longhalloween wrote: »

There just happens to be a huge problem with the allocation of resources and wealth.

I don't want to stop technological advancement, do you?

My other solution is to just stop "aid" and allow UDCs to develop naturally by themselves. But the bleeding hearts will never allow that.

redzerologhlen · 18-10-2011 08:57PM

If only people could get miximetotis it would sort things out :rolleyes:

Stinicker · 18-10-2011 09:11PM

I think what is needed for Africa is not sterilisation but colonisation, the majority of africa is so corrupt you cannot even pass through an airport there without without getting asked for bribes. There is no development or anything and most of the people effected were far better off under colonial rule as they are incapable of governing themselves as some dictator like Mugabe, Mubarak or Qaddafi will end up destroying the country.

Africa is the least developed continent in the world, yet is the richest in resources, it has 1 billion people most of whom are unemployed, half starving or busy kicking the crap out of each other, there is no law and order and corruption is rife. Yet do gooders in the west send billions to corrupt regimes whilst the ordinary people suffer.

We (as in the West) should be bombing these regimes, colonising their lands, building proper democracy, infrastructure, health care, creating new markets and new wealth for these people, now lets say, there is a market of 1 billion people that needs to be developed and the increase in consumption of 1 billion africans pulling themselves out of mud huts and into cars, jobs, education, western lifestyles would be enormous for the worlds economy.

Colonisation is the answer and not sterilisation.

bnt · 18-10-2011 09:17PM

longhalloween wrote: »

The world is in no way overpopulated.

There just happens to be a huge problem with the allocation of resources and wealth.

You're confusing cause and effect there. Calling overpopulation a global problem - or not - is grossly oversimplifying the issues. Some parts of the world have a local overpopulation problem, and that is playing a factor in why some countries remain poor when they could be making progress.

PS - if anyone's thinking of using China as an example of a country that is overpopulated yet successful, well: China's success is superficial, based on an artificial currency debasement, pretty much limited to the cities where a property bubble is in full effect. It's not going to last.

Geekness1234 · 18-10-2011 09:26PM

Micklaus wrote: »

Bad idea is bad........this has been done before with the Irish economy and failed miserably. Need serious investment in R&D nowadays to stay ahead of the game.

+1!
We should pump billions making Ireland into the "R&D go to guy" for Europe and the U.S.

philstar · 18-10-2011 09:34PM

its all you catholics fault havin huge families ..why don't you cut down on the sex and take up gardening or something

paddyandy · 18-10-2011 09:46PM

.. not real catholics nowadays more like protestants who go to mass along with a few heretics and atheists and agnostics who are often not too sure what they are these days.The Old style Irish Catholic is old if around at all.They go along any way for the craic.

Fluorescence · 18-10-2011 09:56PM

Well, besides the fact that there's more than enough food in the world to sustain twice it's current population (allocation is the only issue), we couldn't compete in a global market for mass food production. We simply don't have enough farmland to feed a large amount of people outside this country (I mean, the entire island is about only about 84k square kms). Compare this to the USA where truly enormous amounts of land are given over to farming - over 2 billion acres of farmland (source). There's no way we could dream of competing with that.

That said, numbers of young people entering agriculture are on the rise apparently, which is great.

RichieC · 18-10-2011 10:05PM

Haelium wrote: »

It's not a pleasant concept, but it is necessary. Which is worse, sterilization now or starvation for the next few centuries? We can't be emotional about it, it's more humane in the long run. As for lower IQ, sterilization is going a bit far, but I think we should try to discourage people with mental deficiency from having children.

and then there was Eugenics.

longhalloween · 18-10-2011 10:19PM

Haelium wrote: »

The Chinese have solved their population problem, and India is developing, many African countries are not.

Hmm, the ol' memories of 'forced abortions' protests are coming back to me now. India is developing. But most of it is not.

Haelium wrote: »

1 billion in only 10 years with no sign of decline isn't overpopulation?

Nope. At what stage will the Earth DEFINITELY be overpopulated?

Haelium wrote: »

I don't want to stop technological advancement, do you?

Nope Because it is that advancement which will negate the pressures a larger population puts on resources and energy

Haelium wrote: »

My other solution is to just stop "aid" and allow UDCs to develop naturally by themselves. But the bleeding hearts will never allow that.

I don't agree on giving aid to them either, but I don't want whole populations to be sterilised. Do you?? Would you like to be the guy doing it?

It wasn't too long ago that many families in Ireland were having 8+ kids. What if Britain decided during the famine that the Irish were too backward and started a campaign of forced sterilisation then?

Stinicker wrote: »

We (as in the West) should be bombing these regimes, colonising their lands, building proper democracy, infrastructure, health care, creating new markets and new wealth for these people, now lets say, there is a market of 1 billion people that needs to be developed and the increase in consumption of 1 billion africans pulling themselves out of mud huts and into cars, jobs, education, western lifestyles would be enormous for the worlds economy.

Colonisation is the answer and not sterilisation.

Afghanistan and Iraq anyone?? Not exactly bastions of consumerism.

SafeSurfer · 19-10-2011 12:19AM

Stinicker wrote: »

I think what is needed for Africa is not sterilisation but colonisation, the majority of africa is so corrupt you cannot even pass through an airport there without without getting asked for bribes. There is no development or anything and most of the people effected were far better off under colonial rule as they are incapable of governing themselves as some dictator like Mugabe, Mubarak or Qaddafi will end up destroying the country.

Africa is the least developed continent in the world, yet is the richest in resources, it has 1 billion people most of whom are unemployed, half starving or busy kicking the crap out of each other, there is no law and order and corruption is rife. Yet do gooders in the west send billions to corrupt regimes whilst the ordinary people suffer.

We (as in the West) should be bombing these regimes, colonising their lands, building proper democracy, infrastructure, health care, creating new markets and new wealth for these people, now lets say, there is a market of 1 billion people that needs to be developed and the increase in consumption of 1 billion africans pulling themselves out of mud huts and into cars, jobs, education, western lifestyles would be enormous for the worlds economy.

Colonisation is the answer and not sterilisation.

Have you considered that colonisation is the cause of much of the current problems in Africa?

The myriad of wars and conflict is a legacy of the European colonialists arbitrarily drawing national boundries without regard to native populations, tribal loyalties etc. A glance at a map of Africa or the Middle East, with all those straight line national borders, drawn up by European bureacrats is instructive.

I would also think that Asia is richer in resources than Africa, as you claim.

You say

"We (as in the West) should be bombing these regimes, colonising their lands, building proper democracy"

Do you see any flaw in your argument here?

Stinicker · 19-10-2011 02:21AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Have you considered that colonisation is the cause of much of the current problems in Africa?

The myriad of wars and conflict is a legacy of the European colonialists arbitrarily drawing national boundries without regard to native populations, tribal loyalties etc. A glance at a map of Africa or the Middle East, with all those straight line national borders, drawn up by European bureacrats is instructive.

I would also think that Asia is richer in resources than Africa, as you claim.

You say

"We (as in the West) should be bombing these regimes, colonising their lands, building proper democracy"

Do you see any flaw in your argument here?

Democracy dosen't work in Africa due to mass under-education, as in Ireland in the past people happily accepted Fianna Fail corruption and crookery our new educated young people have gladly given them the boot out, when you are stupid and know no better then your local crook whether it be Mugabe or Charlie Haughey all seems good.

Asia by and large is miles ahead of Africa, the people there are getting better education and their economies are striving ahead. Whilst colonisation played its own part in Africa's problems I feel it is the only viable solution along with a proper EU style AU (African Union).

Your average Asian is in a far better place than the average african, there is huge economic progress which has lifted hundreds of millions of Asian's into 2nd and 1st world living conditions, most have jobs and earn enough to live semi-western lifestyles.

There is corruption in Asia no doubt but their countries are doing generally well and are growing well, in Africa there is nothing but corruption and Mugabe sank Zimbabwe one of the most productive Agricultural countries on Earth to a point where its people regularly depend on food handouts from the World Food Programme. Under white rules in Rhodesia as it was then known, the locals worked on the farms and the people were better off.

There is nothing but sheer corruption and greed in Africa, and colonisation was not the cause of these problems, eg. Ethiopia was not colonised yet is a pretty typical case of tin-pot africa with mass famine and wars raging, Thailand in South East Asia was also not colonised and is today developing at a frenetic pace and has a habit of overthrowing its government once every 4 to 5 years and is doing very well.

amacachi · 19-10-2011 02:28AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Have you considered that colonisation is the cause of much of the current problems in Africa?

The myriad of wars and conflict is a legacy of the European colonialists arbitrarily drawing national boundries without regard to native populations, tribal loyalties etc. A glance at a map of Africa or the Middle East, with all those straight line national borders, drawn up by European bureacrats is instructive.

I would also think that Asia is richer in resources than Africa, as you claim.

You say

"We (as in the West) should be bombing these regimes, colonising their lands, building proper democracy"

Do you see any flaw in your argument here?

You can bet your ass every single line was put there for a reason, those lines aren't accidents. Different countries had different methods for different areas though. In some areas they'd install a minority tribe as puppets and through them would treat the people like ****. Big surprise they'd rise up when they could and cause societal fractures. Alternatively the way Nigeria has its population split almost evenly along religious lines can also be a useful way to keep a conflict going, whether it's an actual war or just political oppositionalism. Also, have a glance to the west of Nigeria and see how those small those countries are in comparison despite the region not being much (if any) more diverse in racial/tribal terms.

jugger0 · 19-10-2011 02:53AM

Stinicker wrote: »

I think what is needed for Africa is not sterilisation but colonisation, the majority of africa is so corrupt you cannot even pass through an airport there without without getting asked for bribes. There is no development or anything and most of the people effected were far better off under colonial rule as they are incapable of governing themselves as some dictator like Mugabe, Mubarak or Qaddafi will end up destroying the country.

Africa is the least developed continent in the world, yet is the richest in resources, it has 1 billion people most of whom are unemployed, half starving or busy kicking the crap out of each other, there is no law and order and corruption is rife. Yet do gooders in the west send billions to corrupt regimes whilst the ordinary people suffer.

We (as in the West) should be bombing these regimes, colonising their lands, building proper democracy, infrastructure, health care, creating new markets and new wealth for these people, now lets say, there is a market of 1 billion people that needs to be developed and the increase in consumption of 1 billion africans pulling themselves out of mud huts and into cars, jobs, education, western lifestyles would be enormous for the worlds economy.

Colonisation is the answer and not sterilisation.

I vote for both.

Plautus · 19-10-2011 03:46AM

Ethiopia was not colonised

So the period of annexation by Italy and the subversion of Ethiopia by the superpowers during the Cold War do not count? Don't let outside powers so easily off the hook here. Why do you think Western Powers are the ones to do this job of work, of bringing enlightenment to the 'natives', when the practice of their trade missions and multinationals engender famine in Ethiopia?

http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/ethiopia-gov-seizes-prime-ag-land-leases-it-to-multinationals-for-export/ - that kind of thing was going on in the 1970s too.

A 'civilising' mission has been used to justify imperialism for millennia. Your participation in that dialectic in the 21st century is a little odd, to say the least. As is the idea that you breed civilisation by slaughtering and bombing populations, and not resentment and resistance.

I'm sitting here wondering how on earth, when you were formulating this mad hatter's plan of yours, that the reprehensibility of it didn't seem to cross your mind. You refuse to see colonialism as the cause, in any part, of the current effects. If the despots in Africa are corrupt, you don't think it's because of arrangements which persist with (and which favour) the West, such as Francafrique in the case of that country's former colonies?

There is no development or anything

Ah for ****'s sake ... ever visited Africa, studied International Relations, History, Geography, Development; anything to actually give yourself some credibility when speaking on these issues? 'The Dark Continent' stereotype is easily dispelled even by picking up a copy of The Economist from week to week.

It'd be kind to say you're 'optimistic', but delusional is a better bet. The West is supposed to play host an occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan ten times over and you expect it to work/pay for itself? You don't expect the 'ordinary guy' to suffer? He will. The enterprise would bleed the West dry too.

Corruption's a problem in Africa. Colonising the continent all over again won't effect any change for the good, and we've got empirical data from the last 500 years or so to show for that. Seriously! You don't think each colonising nation believed it was bringing education, infrastructure and opening new markets in every place it went? Hubris truly does abide from age to age.

RichieC · 19-10-2011 03:57AM

Stinicker wrote: »

I think what is needed for Africa is not sterilisation but colonisation, the majority of africa is so corrupt you cannot even pass through an airport there without without getting asked for bribes. There is no development or anything and most of the people effected were far better off under colonial rule as they are incapable of governing themselves as some dictator like Mugabe, Mubarak or Qaddafi will end up destroying the country.

Africa is the least developed continent in the world, yet is the richest in resources, it has 1 billion people most of whom are unemployed, half starving or busy kicking the crap out of each other, there is no law and order and corruption is rife. Yet do gooders in the west send billions to corrupt regimes whilst the ordinary people suffer.

We (as in the West) should be bombing these regimes, colonising their lands, building proper democracy, infrastructure, health care, creating new markets and new wealth for these people, now lets say, there is a market of 1 billion people that needs to be developed and the increase in consumption of 1 billion africans pulling themselves out of mud huts and into cars, jobs, education, western lifestyles would be enormous for the worlds economy.

Colonisation is the answer and not sterilisation.

Take up the White Man's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go, bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait, in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught sullen peoples,
Half devil and half child.

Take up the White Man's burden--
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times made plain,
To seek another's profit
And work another's gain.

Take up the White Man's burden--
The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine,
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
(The end for others sought)
Watch sloth and heathen folly
Bring all your hope to nought.

Take up the White Man's burden--
No iron rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper--
The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter,
The roads ye shall not tread,
Go, make them with your living
And mark them with your dead.

Take up the White Man's burden,
And reap his old reward--
The blame of those ye better
The hate of those ye guard--
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light:--
"Why brought ye us from bondage,
Our loved Egyptian night?"

Take up the White Man's burden--
Ye dare not stoop to less--
Nor call too loud on Freedom
To cloak your weariness.
By all ye will or whisper,
By all ye leave or do,
The silent sullen peoples
Shall weigh your God and you.

Take up the White Man's burden!
Have done with childish days--
The lightly-proffered laurel,
The easy ungrudged praise:
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years,
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers.

Mike 1972 · 19-10-2011 04:40AM

orourkeda wrote: »

Theres room for many a more

fluorescence wrote: »

Well, besides the fact that there's more than enough food in the world to sustain twice it's current population

So food and space are the only constraints determining what constitutes a sustainale level of population (according to people on the internet with laptops and smartphones) ?

Haelium wrote: »

I think everybody knows that I'm not suggesting that the entire content be sterilized, but that is the region where the problem is most prevalent. Places like Ethiopia and Somalia could do with some serious depopulation though.

Surely the problem is most prevalent in those countries where the average citizen consmes 40 times as much resources.

corium.sam · 19-10-2011 09:26AM

Actually illiteracy calls for the rise in population. Slowly the world is being connected and people are getting aware. Instead of making silly comments try to engage yourself in some worthwhile activities.
And who knows only one fury which might be natural or artificial, would wipe out mankind completely from our planet.

Fluorescence · 19-10-2011 10:08AM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

So food and space are the only constraints determining what constitutes a sustainale level of population (according to people on the internet with laptops and smartphones) ?

Yep, pretty much.

c_man · 19-10-2011 10:09AM

I'll admit, I do judge parents who have big families. We all know the news report, "John and Mary have an army like routine to feed breakfast to their nine kids in the morning!"
"We just want a big loving home."
Fu(k sake.

happyfounder · 19-10-2011 10:43AM

lol,it needs to think twice

7billion People in the World.

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