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bucketybuck · 17-10-2011 10:37PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Oh that's completely logical. A footballer loses his cool, hence he must have been racially abused

Its his own logic! He said footballers are used to worse coming up through the ranks, ergo, it must have been pretty bad to make a professional footballer go, in his words, mental. I am asking him to consider the implications of his own words.

Bodhisopha · 17-10-2011 10:38PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Haven't they said they can't find any footage?

I don't know. Have they?

flahavaj · 17-10-2011 10:40PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Proving that nothing happened will be next to impossible. If no video evidence can be found then it will end up being one guy's word against another and no more can be done about it. If somebody can prove that Evra was lying then something can be done about it, but him getting a punishment because people suspect that he is lying ain't going to happen.

Mods, sticky this or something please.

Chucky the tree · 17-10-2011 10:41PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Some guy on here reckons Suarez could have racially abused Evra without moving his mouth so Sky are probably trying to read throat movements.

Well actually it's very easy to say the word Nigg*r without moving your mouth.

_blank_ · 17-10-2011 10:44PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Well actually it's very easy to say the word Nigg*r without moving your mouth.

I've been practising all night, reckon I'd put on quite a good racist ventriloquism show.

17-10-2011 10:47PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Well actually it's very easy to say the word Nigg*r without moving your mouth.

From the horses mouth...

"There are cameras, and you can see him say a certain word to me at least ten times…"

He seems certain it can be seen.

Mr Alan · 17-10-2011 10:47PM

flahavaj wrote: »

Mods, sticky this or something please.

Also sticky the quotes from Evra where he says its clearly visible on television.

If at the very best, he is 'mistaken' about that, he is deserving of a very serious ban.

Will I Amnt · 17-10-2011 10:51PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

flahavaj wrote: »

Mods, sticky this or something please.

Also sticky the quotes from Evra where he says its clearly visible on television.

If at the very best, he is 'mistaken' about that, he is deserving of a very serious ban.

Yes Alan,he will get a ban for mistakingly thinking something was caught on camera.
What's the usual for that??
3 games??

Mr Alan · 17-10-2011 10:51PM

Bodhisopha wrote: »

I don't know. Have they?

Yes.

TheTownie · 17-10-2011 10:51PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Well actually it's very easy to say the word Nigg*r without moving your mouth.

Thats great but how do you know thats the word Suarez allegedly used?

richymcdermott · 17-10-2011 10:51PM

This isnt the first time evra said there was rasicm marks against him , he did the same in 06 with steve finnan which claims were dropped, in 08 aswell with chelsea coach which were dropped also, i highly doubt there was racism marks made just another person trying to bring the race card again, its getting old at this stage

17-10-2011 10:52PM

richymcdermott wrote: »

This isnt the first time evra said there was rasicm marks against him , he did the same in 06 with steve finnan which claims were dropped, in 08 aswell with chelsea coach which were dropped also, i highly doubt there was racism marks made just another person trying to bring the race card again, its getting old at this stage

Really?

I think this should be bookmarked also !

Melion · 17-10-2011 10:52PM

richymcdermott wrote: »

This isnt the first time evra said there was rasicm marks against him , he did the same in 06 with steve finnan which claims were dropped, in 08 aswell with chelsea coach which were dropped also, i highly doubt there was racism marks made just another person trying to bring the race card again, its getting old at this stage

Tell me more

Bodhisopha · 17-10-2011 10:54PM

richymcdermott wrote: »

This isnt the first time evra said there was rasicm marks against him , he did the same in 06 with steve finnan which claims were dropped, in 08 aswell with chelsea coach which were dropped also, i highly doubt there was racism marks made just another person trying to bring the race card again, its getting old at this stage

UGH. For the last time, MANCHESTER UNITED MADE UP THE CLAIMS THAT HE WAS RACIALLY ABUSED BY CHELSEA GROUND STAFF, NOT EVRA.

#15 · 17-10-2011 10:55PM

richymcdermott wrote: »

This isnt the first time evra said there was rasicm marks against him , he did the same in 06 with steve finnan which claims were dropped, in 08 aswell with chelsea coach which were dropped also, i highly doubt there was racism marks made just another person trying to bring the race card again, its getting old at this stage

Mr Alan · 17-10-2011 10:56PM

cambo2008 wrote: »

Yes Alan,he will get a ban for mistakingly thinking something was caught on camera.
What's the usual for that??
3 games??

Just cause there's never been a case of it before doesn't mean it shouldn't happen?! What sort of ****ed logic is that?!?

Has there ever been a case of a player in the PL getting a ban for racially abusing an opponent? I don't think so, but we all agree that Suarez should be banned if it's true.

As I've said a thousand times, being 'mistaken' isn't good enough when it comes to such a serious allegation which he categorically said there was proof of.

Mr Alan · 17-10-2011 11:00PM

Lads, as annoying as it is to have the Chelsea thing brought up again & again, it's a perfect example of how misinformation & mud sticks. Irregardless of the outcome of an event.

This is exactly why Evras accusations, if they prove to be unfounded, or the evidence he has said exists, turns out to be non existent, should be met with a severe punishment.

Suarez will now be stuck with this racist tag, irregardless of the outcome.

flahavaj · 17-10-2011 11:02PM

Thread is like a never ending spiral into hell. Everyone is making the exact sam points as this time 48 ans 24 hours ago respectively.

Anyone hear Evra has made such claims before about a groundsman?

Anyone hear he accused Stevie Finnain of the same?

Anyone a lip reader?

Innocent until proven guilty.

You cannot prove a negative.

He said it was on camera, when it may not in fact be: ergo he is lying about everything?

Rinse repeat........

Chucky the tree · 17-10-2011 11:02PM

TheTownie wrote: »

Thats great but how do you know thats the word Suarez allegedly used?

I don't. I'm just saying it is possible to racially abuse someone without moving your mouth.

Mr Alan · 17-10-2011 11:06PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I don't. I'm just saying it is possible to racially abuse someone without moving your mouth.

Thankfully Evra has specifically told us that is not what happened in this instance.

Bodhisopha · 17-10-2011 11:08PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Lads, as annoying as it is to have the Chelsea thing brought up again & again, it's a perfect example of how misinformation & mud sticks. Irregardless of the outcome of an event.

This is exactly why Evras accusations, if they prove to be unfounded, or the evidence he has said exists, turns out to be non existent, should be met with a severe punishment.

Suarez will now be stuck with this racist tag, irregardless of the outcome.

But how do you prove that Suarez hasn't stood before a mirror mastering the art of dropping the N bomb without moving his lips, as some seem to be suggesting?

Blatter · 17-10-2011 11:09PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Thankfully Evra has specifically told us that is not what happened in this instance.

Which would be a bizarre thing to do(tell people it's on camera), if he was fabricating the claims in the first place, wouldn't you agree?

firemansam4 · 17-10-2011 11:14PM

Have to just say that I know that there are people saying that any past times that Evra has been acused of crying racist have been proved not have come from him.
But you have to wonder why has he been caught up in this controversy so many times?

Others would point out that Suarez is a proven cheat and he has faked diving before, but does that make him a racist? there is a big difference imo

The worst thing about it all is that it may never be proven one way or another and suarez is going to be touted a racist by certain fans and Evra as being a player who always plays the race card by other fans. and we may never find out the truth.

Will I Amnt · 17-10-2011 11:16PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

cambo2008 wrote: »

Yes Alan,he will get a ban for mistakingly thinking something was caught on camera.
What's the usual for that??
3 games??

Just cause there's never been a case of it before doesn't mean it shouldn't happen?! What sort of ****ed logic is that?!?

Has there ever been a case of a player in the PL getting a ban for racially abusing an opponent? I don't think so, but we all agree that Suarez should be banned if it's true.

As I've said a thousand times, being 'mistaken' isn't good enough when it comes to such a serious allegation which he categorically said there was proof of.

I'm not talking about the racism at all.
You seem to think he should get banned for mistaken about the cameras.
Now what sort of ****ed logic is that???

hypermuse · 17-10-2011 11:18PM

flahavaj wrote: »

Thread is like a never ending spiral into hell. Everyone is making the exact sam points as this time 48 ans 24 hours ago respectively.

Anyone hear Evra has made such claims before about a groundsman?

Anyone hear he accused Stevie Finnain of the same?

Anyone a lip reader?

Innocent until proven guilty.

You cannot prove a negative.

He said it was on camera, when it may not in fact be: ergo he is lying about everything?

Rinse repeat........

People are still entitled to their opinions regardless of how often its discussed! Its the purpose of the thread.. I dont think anyone invited you to read it... :rolleyes:

Evra has just gone the complete wrong way about this! He should have just said it to the ref and then mad a complaint in confidence to the FA..

If no evidence is found and he's slapped Suarez with a racist tag and just dropped himself in it..

If evidence is found.. the same outcome would have been reached regardless of going public with it!

It was a silly move!

carlop · 17-10-2011 11:20PM

Can Suarez speak English? I'd have thought the 'word,' if it exists is far more likely to be in Spanish, something along the lines of 'puto negro.'

Chucky the tree · 17-10-2011 11:20PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Lads, as annoying as it is to have the Chelsea thing brought up again & again, it's a perfect example of how misinformation & mud sticks. Irregardless of the outcome of an event.

This is exactly why Evras accusations, if they prove to be unfounded, or the evidence he has said exists, turns out to be non existent, should be met with a severe punishment.

Suarez will now be stuck with this racist tag, irregardless of the outcome.

Perfect example of how complete retarded and lazy lots of people are.

hypermuse · 17-10-2011 11:36PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Perfect example of how completely retarded and lazy lots of people are.

Oh the Irony.. Fixed it for you... Fantastic contribution btw!

carlop wrote: »

Can Suarez speak English? I'd have thought the 'word,' if it exists is far more likely to be in Spanish, something along the lines of 'puto negro.'

I'm sure if they are looking at videos of the match then they would be aware he can speak more than just English! It's an assumption but you never know how people might overlook it!

K-9 · 17-10-2011 11:38PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

From the horses mouth...

Racist.

Mr Alan · 17-10-2011 11:50PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Perfect example of how complete retarded and lazy lots of people are.

Doesn't change the fact these will be the ramifications of the accusation Evra has made. Accusations, which at this stage, seem to be at least partly fabricated.

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