Man told he can stay in ghost estate home

Tiocfaidh Armani · 17-10-2011 12:20PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Nope, the little guy is getting buggered again. The little guy is the guy who pays all the taxes that are funding the spongers at the top and at the bottom of society.

How is he affecting you? Are you on the side of the state in this instance then?

listermint · 17-10-2011 12:23PM

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

What sort of society do we live in where we have so much demand and the supply is there but they can’t use them and we have families living in flats way too small for them.

The state have possessed these homes, complete them and use them for social housing and at least make some rent on them. Fair play to this lad we used the system to his advantage, it’s about time we had a victory for the little guy.

I dont see how this is a 'victory for the little guy'

This guy does nothing to contribute, he is not working, he can work, he claims everything he can. He has broken into private property and intentially did so.

how is he the little guy ?

Surely the 'little guy' is the guy thats doing 3 jobs supporting his kids and paying off a 3 bedroom hope he stupidly walked in and signed off on sold the lie that property was only ever going up.

The little guy is the person, that when able to contribute does so. Has the morality to look after his kids and does all this without resorting to breaking the law.

regardless of what people say, this isnt mogadishu. this guy is getting enough in benefit and had / has no need to go around breaking into private property such as this. Its not a legitimate need. He was and is a Chancer of the highest order and il deride him as much as id deride bertie.

Chance anything to see if i get away with it. I dont pick and choose what is right and wrong.

donalg1 · 17-10-2011 12:28PM

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

What sort of society do we live in where we have so much demand and the supply is there but they can’t use them and we have families living in flats way too small for them.

The state have possessed these homes, complete them and use them for social housing and at least make some rent on them. Fair play to this lad we used the system to his advantage, it’s about time we had a victory for the little guy.

And where exactly does the state get the money to complete these houses? The Local Authority would also have to purchase these houses then bring them up to the required standard before letting them as Social Houses, so before they even have a tenant in them they are down massive amounts of money.

And by letting them as Social Houses the rent they take in isnt going to come anywhere near to clearing the debt they have lumped on themselves acquiring these properties and then repairing them. Plus they will be responsible for the ongoing maintenance. Local Authorities current housing stock costs more in maintenance than they receive in rent so technically they run at a loss and therefore have to be subsidised by other means, mainly commercial rates and soon to be property tax and domestic water charges.

And even if the Government was crazy enough to take on these properties as Social Houses the one Mr. Tuohy stole certainly wouldnt be offered to him as this is a three bed and he is only eligible for a 1 bed.

Sooopie · 17-10-2011 12:31PM

listermint wrote: »

I dont see how this is a 'victory for the little guy'

This guy does nothing to contribute, he is not working, he can work, he claims everything he can. He has broken into private property and intentially did so.

how is he the little guy ?

Surely the 'little guy' is the guy thats doing 3 jobs supporting his kids and paying off a 3 bedroom hope he stupidly walked in and signed off on sold the lie that property was only ever going up.

The little guy is the person, that when able to contribute does so. Has the morality to look after his kids and does all this without resorting to breaking the law.

regardless of what people say, this isnt mogadishu. this guy is getting enough in benefit and had / has no need to go around breaking into private property such as this. Its not a legitimate need. He was and is a Chancer of the highest order and il deride him as much as id deride bertie.

Chance anything to see if i get away with it. I dont pick and choose what is right and wrong.

too right

smash · 17-10-2011 12:32PM

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

How is he affecting you? Are you on the side of the state in this instance then?

It's affecting you too. Realistically it's your/our money paying for this. And with 7 children in a half built estate there's health & safety risks. He could legally now if he wanted to, pursue a case for the estate to be completed because of this.

Tiocfaidh Armani · 17-10-2011 12:32PM

He hasn’t broken the law though. I understand what you’re saying though, but I don’t know the man, he sounds as if he’s had personal issues and is dealing with them. This highlights the pure fallacy of a state with huge demand for social housing and we have so many houses sitting empty rotting away usually in the care of the same state that has families on the waiting list for years while thousands sit empty, it’s crazy.

I’m a working person, always will be hopefully, but I think these ‘ghost estates’ are sickening that they’re sitting there idle collecting mould when so many are in need. Those who bought houses at crazy prices and fed the housing boom that helped cripple Ireland get little sympathy from me really, it was pure greed. Common sense would have shown that house prices were flying up at a rate that totally dwarfed what wages were going up that they had to come down, but people wanted a quick buck. I do feel some sympathy but those who fed the housing boom were largely greedy and are not martyrs.

smash · 17-10-2011 12:34PM

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

He hasn’t broken the law though.

Try trespassing.

suicide_circus · 17-10-2011 12:35PM

It's sad really. If I look at myself over the last decade or so, when I was a teenager I was very idealistic, socially minded etc. Then I started working, fending for myself and taking a stronger interest in current affairs and the practicalitys of everday life, that all started to change.

Seeing so many people taking the absolute fookin piss, contributing nothing, all about their entitlements, costing the state, getting everything for free and continually moaning and demanding more and all the while my hard fought pay check gets raped every month.

I swore it would nevet happen but it did. I'm not yet 30 and i'm jaded, cynical and increasingly right leaning. And why? Because of the systems we have in place which are constantly abused by by the social parasites like the guy in this story. And I break my fookin balls and what thanks do I get? The cnut would slit my throat without hesitation to rob me.

drdeadlift · 17-10-2011 12:35PM

Would we be better off yapping about the government bringing in new taxes,increasing current taxes,decreasing public transport,water charges.

Sooopie · 17-10-2011 12:36PM

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

He hasn’t broken the law though. I understand what you’re saying though, but I don’t know the man, he sounds as if he’s had personal issues and is dealing with them. This highlights the pure fallacy of a state with huge demand for social housing and we have so many houses sitting empty rotting away usually in the care of the same state that has families on the waiting list for years while thousands sit empty, it’s crazy.

I’m a working person, always will be hopefully, but I think these ‘ghost estates’ are sickening that they’re sitting there idle collecting mould when so many are in need. Those who bought houses at crazy prices and fed the housing boom that helped cripple Ireland get little sympathy from me really, it was pure greed. Common sense would have shown that house prices were flying up at a rate that totally dwarfed what wages were going up that they had to come down, but people wanted a quick buck. I do feel some sympathy but those who fed the housing boom were largely greedy and are not martyrs.

And yet you'll defend a chancer who has just rocked up and taken one for nothing.

How is that right?

drdeadlift · 17-10-2011 12:37PM

Sooopie wrote: »

And yet you'll defend a chancer who has just rocked up and taken one for nothing.

How is that right?

Your moaning wont change jack.

Sooopie · 17-10-2011 12:39PM

drdeadlift wrote: »

Your moaning wont change jack.

and?

Predalien · 17-10-2011 12:39PM

Stuff like this actually helps the average taxpayer. If more of the unoccupied houses are used, the marketablity of land improves, and helps in the recovery of the property market.

donalg1 · 17-10-2011 12:40PM

Predalien wrote: »

Stuff like this actually helps the average taxpayer. If more of the unoccupied houses are used, the marketablity of land improves, and helps in the recovery of the property market.

And by used you mean???

MagicSean · 17-10-2011 12:40PM

smash wrote: »

Try trespassing.

It was tried. He was found innocent. It's the whole point of this thread.

listermint · 17-10-2011 12:43PM

Predalien wrote: »

Stuff like this actually helps the average taxpayer. If more of the unoccupied houses are used, the marketablity of land improves, and helps in the recovery of the property market.

Em, whos going to buy a house if we can all just lash into the 70,000 + that are vacant with NO consequences.

?????

listermint · 17-10-2011 12:47PM

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

He hasn’t broken the law though. I understand what you’re saying though, but I don’t know the man, he sounds as if he’s had personal issues and is dealing with them. This highlights the pure fallacy of a state with huge demand for social housing and we have so many houses sitting empty rotting away usually in the care of the same state that has families on the waiting list for years while thousands sit empty, it’s crazy.

I’m a working person, always will be hopefully, but I think these ‘ghost estates’ are sickening that they’re sitting there idle collecting mould when so many are in need. Those who bought houses at crazy prices and fed the housing boom that helped cripple Ireland get little sympathy from me really, it was pure greed. Common sense would have shown that house prices were flying up at a rate that totally dwarfed what wages were going up that they had to come down, but people wanted a quick buck. I do feel some sympathy but those who fed the housing boom were largely greedy and are not martyrs.

This lad could have got rent supplements, he has no issue getting this. And would have had a place paid for. But he chose to steal a new vacant house. It wasnt a need, his needs are being provided for. its not the third world here.

Also the part in bold is rubbish. How are young families stretching to get on the property ladder greedy ?

Granted im not one of them, but i dont classify these people as greedy. madness.

Tiocfaidh Armani · 17-10-2011 12:47PM

Sooopie wrote: »

And yet you'll defend a chancer who has just rocked up and taken one for nothing.

How is that right?

The house is sitting there doing nothing, if the homes aren’t heated they collect mould so I don’t see the harm he’s doing and it’s highlighting the fallacy of these ghost estates in a country with a massive shortage of social housing.

The people who drove up house prices, largely through greed, creating the housing boom that helped bring Ireland to its knees did harm the country. I'm not saying one is better than the other, just I don't think he's done any harm to anyone and if anything is doing them a favour living there and heating the place.

Sooopie · 17-10-2011 12:49PM

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

The house is sitting there doing nothing, if the homes aren’t heated they collect mould so I don’t see the harm he’s doing and it’s highlighting the fallacy of these ghost estates in a country with a massive shortage of social housing.

The people who drove up house prices, largely through greed, creating the housing boom that helped bring Ireland to its knees did harm the country. I'm not saying one is better than the other, just I don't think he's done any harm to anyone and if anything is doing them a favour living there and heating the place.

And the ones that never worked a day in their life, having the likes of you and me providing everything for them have done what for our country exactly?

listermint · 17-10-2011 12:51PM

Sooopie wrote: »

And the ones that never worked a day in their life, having the likes of you and me providing everything for them have done what for our country exactly?

Out there highlighting fallacies it seems .... :rolleyes:

donalg1 · 17-10-2011 12:52PM

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

The house is sitting there doing nothing, if the homes aren’t heated they collect mould so I don’t see the harm he’s doing and it’s highlighting the fallacy of these ghost estates in a country with a massive shortage of social housing.

The people who drove up house prices, largely through greed, creating the housing boom that helped bring Ireland to its knees did harm the country. I'm not saying one is better than the other, just I don't think he's done any harm to anyone and if anything is doing them a favour living there and heating the place.

The people who bought houses during the boom didnt harm the country is people who bought houses during the boom that they couldnt afford and have since defaulted on their mortgages that harmed the country.

And he is harming people he is harming his kids by saying "look kids Daddy stole a house so come on over and play in the stolen property and learn from what Daddy has done and follow his example so you too can grow up and steal and get as much off the state as you can". And then there is the fact the Guards have to deal with this man constantly meaning others are being harmed by the Guards being occupied by this waster.

Sooopie · 17-10-2011 12:52PM

listermint wrote: »

Out there highlighting fallacies it seems .... :rolleyes:

"fair play to the little man, socking it to them"

jog on :rolleyes:

Predalien · 17-10-2011 12:52PM

donalg1 wrote: »

And by used you mean???

Occupied or lived in and maintained well, which the man in question is doing.

Tiocfaidh Armani · 17-10-2011 12:53PM

listermint wrote: »

This lad could have got rent supplements, he has no issue getting this. And would have had a place paid for. But he chose to steal a new vacant house. It wasnt a need, his needs are being provided for. its not the third world here.

Also the part in bold is rubbish. How are young families stretching to get on the property ladder greedy ?

Granted im not one of them, but i dont classify these people as greedy. madness.

I wasn’t saying everyone but a lot of people saw it as an investment and were greedy and wantied on the gravy train, not all though, God no I didn’t mean that.

He wanted a place his kids can come and stay so one was sitting there, I just don’t see him doing any harm at all so I say fire away until the house is sold.

Predalien · 17-10-2011 12:55PM

listermint wrote: »

Em, whos going to buy a house if we can all just lash into the 70,000 + that are vacant with NO consequences.

?????

There are consequences, he can still be evicted/removed as could any other squatters. It's a principle of capitalism that land should be marketable, at present with all the empty houses it is not, the vacant properties need to be occupied or demolished, so that a normal housing market can resume.

donalg1 · 17-10-2011 12:56PM

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

I wasn’t saying everyone but a lot of people saw it as an investment and were greedy and wantied on the gravy train, not all though, God no I didn’t mean that.

He wanted a place his kids can come and stay so one was sitting there, I just don’t see him doing any harm at all so I say fire away until the house is sold.

And there were no houses for rent on the private rental market that would have served this purpose then?

listermint · 17-10-2011 12:57PM

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

I wasn’t saying everyone but a lot of people saw it as an investment and were greedy and wantied on the gravy train, not all though, God no I didn’t mean that.

He wanted a place his kids can come and stay so one was sitting there, I just don’t see him doing any harm at all so I say fire away until the house is sold.

He has that option from the council already they provide rent supplement OR a council home. So thats a rubbish excuse.

And he will chance his arm all the way even if the house is sold. Ive drank in the pub with his type. He is a massive chancer and thats the only way to describe him. Your deluded if you think he is some sort of champion of social responsibility.

listermint · 17-10-2011 12:59PM

Predalien wrote: »

There are consequences, he can still be evicted/removed as could any other squatters. It's a principle of capitalism that land should be marketable, at present with all the empty houses it is not, the vacant properties need to be occupied or demolished, so that a normal housing market can resume.

okay, so if everyone occupies these vacant ones for nothing, Who the hell is going to kick start your market?

You idea is ill thought out.

donalg1 · 17-10-2011 12:59PM

Predalien wrote: »

Occupied or lived in and maintained well, which the man in question is doing.

I cant imagine an ex junkie with seven kids squatting in a house having the guards at the door constantly is improving the marketability of anything, although he is probably improving the marketability of every house not in this estate

Predalien · 17-10-2011 01:04PM

donalg1 wrote: »

I cant imagine an ex junkie with seven kids squatting in a house having the guards at the door constantly is improving the marketability of anything, although he is probably improving the marketability of every house not in this estate

They were at the house to investigate a possible criminal offence he was cleared of. He is trying to sort his life out, give him a chance.

Man told he can stay in ghost estate home

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