Man told he can stay in ghost estate home

Tazz T · 16-10-2011 09:48PM

Is this man a fraudster?

He took a house that was uninhabited and falling into disrepair. The court (law) said grand. Then he's not a fraudster.

Monty Burnz · 16-10-2011 09:48PM

MagicSean wrote: »

Actually most of us aren't net contributors. You and i may be but if most people were then we wouldn't have such a major deficit.

No true. You and I benefit from our taxes (police, education, health, whatever) but we pay for more than we benefit. Others contribute nothing, ever. And indeed cost more than you or me - prison, drug rehab, criminal activity, criminal damage etc. So you can have a large number of people as net contributors contributing a bit more than they receive, and a small number of people who contribute nothing and/or consume more, dragging us all underwater.

Sooopie · 16-10-2011 09:49PM

Freddie59 wrote: »

Sean, your logic truly defies belief. On the basis of this flawed logic, some people pay for everything and others, well, just keep getting more and more - for free. And you and others are OK with this. Ergo an €18bn deficit.

BTW, where do you work, seeing as you 'come into contact with people like him every day'?

barman?

Tazz T · 16-10-2011 09:50PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

No true. You and I benefit from our taxes (police, education, health, whatever) but we pay for more than we benefit. Others contribute nothing, ever. And indeed cost more than you or me - prison, drug rehab, criminal activity, criminal damage etc. So you can have a large number of people as net contributors contributing a bit more than they receive, and a small number of people who contribute nothing and/or consume more, dragging us all underwater.

Let's kill them all then. Sorted.

Or what do you suggest?

Sooopie · 16-10-2011 09:51PM

Tazz T wrote: »

Is this man a fraudster?

He took a house that was uninhabited and falling into disrepair. The court (law) said grand. Then he's not a fraudster.

He's a parasite

Tazz T · 16-10-2011 09:53PM

Sooopie wrote: »

He's a parasite

Like the bankers and developers that left the house there in the first place, he seen an opportunity and took it.

laoch na mona · 16-10-2011 09:58PM

Sooopie wrote: »

He's a parasite

and your an idiot anyone I know on disability gets less then 100 a week look what the the people who ruined the country get

Sooopie · 16-10-2011 10:06PM

laoch na mona wrote: »

and your an idiot anyone I know on disability gets less then 100 a week look what the the people who ruined the country get

Do you know many on disability?

Monty Burnz · 16-10-2011 10:10PM

Tazz T wrote: »

Let's kill them all then. Sorted.

Or what do you suggest?

Motivate them to find work (not so easy at present as work is hard to find).
Discriminate between those who want to work and those who don't.
Make life uncomfortable for those who have no interest in working ever.
Don't grant houses to young single mothers - let them live with their parents.
Pay children's allowance in vouchers for children's clothes, school books etc.

Just a couple of ideas. Your idea of killing them all is pretty barbaric, if you don't mind me saying. The idea is to motivate as many of the wasters as possible to make some contribution so we can spend less on them and more on those in real need.

I just don't understand the idea that you can expect to take a free ride for your whole life and live off the work of others.

mickydoomsux · 16-10-2011 10:31PM

laoch na mona wrote: »

anyone I know on disability gets less then 100 a week

No they don't.

donalg1 · 16-10-2011 11:31PM

laoch na mona wrote: »

Sooopie wrote: »

He's a parasite

and your an idiot anyone I know on disability gets less then 100 a week look what the the people who ruined the country get

Standard rate of disability is 188 so you wrong there

opti76 · 16-10-2011 11:45PM

ok so the judge et him off with trespass with intent ...

Section 11 of the 1994 Public Order Act makes it an offence for anyone to enter (i.e., trespass) a building or the vicinity of a building with the intention of committing an offence and/or interfering with property.

For example, you need not have entered a building to commit an offence under this section. By being on the property (i.e. in the back garden or the driveway of a house) this will be enough to bring a person within the definition of this section. It will be a matter for the prosecution in any proceedings to prove that the accused person was present in the building or on the property with the intention of committing an offence or with intent to interfere with any property. Those found guilty of this offence will be liable to a fine not exceeding €2,500 or to a maximum term in prison of 6 months or to both.
did he interfere with the property .. yes . he made it habitable no where does it state that it has to be a negative interferance .. i think the judge made a huge mistake in the ruling .

Freddie59 · 17-10-2011 08:57AM

Sooopie wrote: »

barman?

Wibbs · 17-10-2011 09:58AM

MagicSean wrote: »

Actually most of us aren't net contributors. You and i may be but if most people were then we wouldn't have such a major deficit.

Monty Burnz summed it up, but I'd add that another reason we have such a huge deficit is major inefficiencies in the system. As has been pointed out earlier in the thread tackling dole cheats seems damned low on the list of priorities. I know one guy who is so blatant you truly wouldn't believe his story if I committed it to screen and gets away with it and I know he's been reported more than once. The payments are too high and often to the wrong people. We have the highest social welfare payments in Europe. By a good margin. I know two women, both single mums, both in very similar in background. One works in a garage/shop and the other is on welfare. Both struggle, but the one in the shop struggles more. She is entitled to less simply because she works. She moved back home with her dad, while the other one has an apartment(and an undisclosed boyfriend living with her). Simply put we can no longer afford this kind of thing.

Being on disability doesn't require you to be bed ridden.

No it does not, but there can be some right chancers on disability. I know two. Now I'm not suggesting this chap is a chancer, but if he's mentally and physically capable of working out how to take possession of and then renovating a house(not an easy task), then he's got a "first world" disability and IMHO is or should be available for work.

That's how our society works. Those who can help those in need.

"In need" being the operative term. The problem is figuring out the real cases. There's a large sense of entitlement out there. I've heard people I know bitching about how low their dole is, yet while doing so are happily going through a pack of Mally lights a day. 60 quid a week on a cancer installment plan*. Oh and the "I'm entitled to a night out" etc. No Ted, you're not.

*ex smoker here, who enjoyed and misses said tobacco products so not some holier than thou anti smoking type.

laoch na mona · 17-10-2011 10:53AM

donalg1 wrote: »

Standard rate of disability is 188 so you wrong there

no i said anyone i know and 188 would be a very high social welfare payment well above the average

Monty Burnz · 17-10-2011 10:57AM

laoch na mona wrote: »

no i said anyone i know and 188 would be a very high social welfare payment well above the average

Isn't 180 odd the standard dole payment? And that's before you factor in all the other entitlements for having dependents, plus children's allowance, rent allowance, medical cards, and probably lots of other benefits I don't know about.

Wibbs · 17-10-2011 10:58AM

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/disability_and_illness/disability_allowance.html#l62fd2 188 is the maximum rate for a single claimant. If those you know are getting less then it's because of other incomes into the household that have been taken into account. The guy in the story who lived on his own it seems would be getting the full whack. He'd also be getting other allowances(medical card/rent allowance etc) on top of that which in the real world can significantly increase his "earnings".

donalg1 · 17-10-2011 11:02AM

laoch na mona wrote: »

no i said anyone i know and 188 would be a very high social welfare payment well above the average

What Wibbs said!!!

If anyone is getting below the standard rate its because they are means tested due to another income be it theirs or their spouses / partners

smash · 17-10-2011 11:04AM

"no evidence that he had intended to commit an offence"
...
I explained straight out what I was doing. I told them I was claiming squatters' rights using adverse possession to the property"

I think he knew exactly what he was doing from the start! He should have been forcefully removed.

MagicSean · 17-10-2011 11:27AM

Ok can someone tell me how anybody at all has been affeccted in a negative way by this man remaining in the abandoned house?

Sooopie · 17-10-2011 11:32AM

MagicSean wrote: »

Ok can someone tell me how anybody at all has been affeccted in a negative way by this man remaining in the abandoned house?

I'm sure the people who have to live beside him aren't overly happy about an ex junkie scounger squatting in their estate

For all your moral pontificating, I doubt you'd be too impressed either

seamy_orr · 17-10-2011 11:42AM

realies wrote: »

Now his children -- who are aged between eight and 29 -- love to visit on the weekend because they can play in the garden.
"I'm delighted to have somewhere nice for them to come into."

Can't they use a sock like everyone else?

MagicSean · 17-10-2011 11:46AM

Sooopie wrote: »

I'm sure the people who have to live beside him aren't overly happy about an ex junkie scounger squatting in their estate

For all your moral pontificating, I doubt you'd be too impressed either

Why? My neighbour at the moment is not an ex-junkie but he still a ****. Mr Tuohy would be a vast improvement. In fact, anyone who recovers from an addiction is bound to have a bit of character in them. He could be a real nice guy.

smash · 17-10-2011 11:49AM

MagicSean wrote: »

Ok can someone tell me how anybody at all has been affeccted in a negative way by this man remaining in the abandoned house?

When news of this get out, you know what all the other scroungers are going to do don't you...

Sooopie · 17-10-2011 11:54AM

MagicSean wrote: »

Why? My neighbour at the moment is not an ex-junkie but he still a ****. Mr Tuohy would be a vast improvement. In fact, anyone who recovers from an addiction is bound to have a bit of character in them. He could be a real nice guy.[/QUOTE]

Its a shame that he has contributed so little to our society so, if he is a real nice guy, isn't it.

MagicSean · 17-10-2011 12:04PM

smash wrote: »

When news of this get out, you know what all the other scroungers are going to do don't you...

Someone already mentioned that the fabric of society will unravel. I don't subscribe to that theory.

Sooopie wrote: »

Its a shame that he has contributed so little to our society so, if he is a real nice guy, isn't it.

You don't know what he has done or will do. You can't see past the term junkie.

Sooopie · 17-10-2011 12:12PM

MagicSean wrote: »

Someone already mentioned that the fabric of society will unravel. I don't subscribe to that theory.

You don't know what he has done or will do. You can't see past the term junkie.[/QUOTE

I know he's after having 7 children.

Do you think that was responsible of him? Bringing 7 children into this world when battling a drug addiction?

Do you think that was a good idea?

Tiocfaidh Armani · 17-10-2011 12:13PM

What sort of society do we live in where we have so much demand and the supply is there but they can’t use them and we have families living in flats way too small for them.

The state have possessed these homes, complete them and use them for social housing and at least make some rent on them. Fair play to this lad we used the system to his advantage, it’s about time we had a victory for the little guy.

Monty Burnz · 17-10-2011 12:14PM

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

The state have possessed these homes, complete them and use them for social housing and at least make some rent on them. Fair play to this lad we used the system to his advantage, it’s about time we had a victory for the little guy.

Nope, the little guy is getting buggered again. The little guy is the guy who pays all the taxes that are funding the spongers at the top and at the bottom of society.

Degsy · 17-10-2011 12:15PM

Mr Tuohy is unemployed and receives a disability pension because of depression. He also admits to previous drug problems

Fcuckin leech.

Man told he can stay in ghost estate home

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