Fox News interviewer gets torn a new one.

Da Shins Kelly · 16-10-2011 10:57PM

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

It's like RTE and The Late Late Show, people always giving out about them yet TLLS has huge viewing figures every week.

I don't think the two are comparable. The Late Late Show is an entertainment show first and foremost. Fox is supposed to be a news source providing unbiased information. It doesn't really do that. It has a clear right-wing agenda and anchors like Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity who are just loose cannons sometimes. It's not exactly 'fair and balanced'. There are definitely people who accept a lot of what's spouted on Fox to be fact, too, when really all they spout is opinion.

**Timbuk2** · 16-10-2011 10:58PM

OP, it took me ages to realise that you wrote half of that sentence in a slightly different coloured font. Was tilting the screen for ages, thinking it was dirt or something, before I copped it!

Fishooks12 · 16-10-2011 10:59PM

LaFlammeRouge wrote: »

That is not a news show though. Its like reading an opinion piece in the Irish Times. Its an opinion program. How do people not understand this???

There is a left wing alternative to Fox News in America, MSNBC. They produce the same opinion shows but with a liberal bias.

Yes it is a news show, that report would have went into a news report. If they have an opinion piece they should have a level debate between two contrasting viewpoints with the fox anchor moderating, that's how TV news opinion works

Fox however often have the moderator join in on the side of the conservative debater in an effort to belittle the liberal or opposition to what Fox want people to think

Some news stations can have certain leanings but Fox take the piss with the level of bias in their reporting, this is a view held by millions in the US not just me

Even in the Simpsons you can see it, the show was never critical of Bush but always jumped at the opportunity to insult Clinton and make him out to be a dirtbag

LaFlammeRouge · 16-10-2011 11:03PM

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Yes it is a news show, that report would have went into a news report. If they have an opinion piece they should have a level debate between two contrasting viewpoints with the fox anchor moderating, that's how TV news opinion works

No that is your definition of how a TV channel should operate. Remember Fox News is on cable. They can do what they like. And MSNBC functions exactly like Fox News but in the opposite political viewpoint. Their presenters push left wing ideas and agenda.

Einhard · 16-10-2011 11:04PM

Fishooks12 wrote: »

The very idea of news reporting is to report objectivity on the facts, Fox don't do that because they are backed by a conservative agenda

Why do you get the idea I'm against free speech? One of the first things you learn as a reporter is to be objective and balanced, Fox aren't.

I just find it amusing that you castigate the American system for their apparent lack of free speech, and your reason for doing so is because they allow broadcasters the freedom to express their own views.

Practically all media outlets have biases- one only has to see that at election time. I presume that you don't censure/censor the Daily Mail or the Guardian for their obvious biases?

Fishooks12 · 16-10-2011 11:07PM

LaFlammeRouge wrote: »

No that is your definition of how a TV channel should operate. Remember Fox News is on cable. They can do what they like. And MSNBC functions exactly like Fox News but in the opposite political viewpoint. Their presenters push left wing ideas and agenda.

I know perfectly well they can do what they like but the fact that they call themselves a news station is laughable and I hate the conservative bile they brainwash people with.

News is supposed to be about objective reporting, Fox is not, therefore I and a lot of other people dislike it (in a similar way to how I dislike the mail here)

What is wrong with not liking a media outlet?

rossie1977 · 16-10-2011 11:09PM

Einhard wrote: »

They should? Says who? So you don't think they should be free to publish what they wish? Land of the free indeed!

most people are annoyed by how they portray themselves as unbiased with slogans like "fair and balanced", "we report the news you decide", at least jon stewart made chris wallace admit that fox only report on one side so at least thats a start, however they don't even try to hide their bias while still claiming to be neutral, thats never been more evident than in the past 2 weeks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5ENHlAbd9E

Fishooks12 · 16-10-2011 11:09PM

Einhard wrote: »

I just find it amusing that you castigate the American system for their apparent lack of free speech, and your reason for doing so is because they allow broadcasters the freedom to express their own views.

when did i say anything about an "american system"? My gripe is with Fox

the views only come from one side, that's the problem

Media outlets with one view-point and no objectivity are dangerous

RTE can be a bit biased sometimes but nowhere near the level that fox is

Fox is a a propaganda machine

Einhard · 16-10-2011 11:10PM

Fishooks12 wrote: »

I know perfectly well they can do what they like but the fact that they call themselves a news station is laughable and I hate the conservative bile they brainwash people with.

The allegedly brainwashed people could just as validly point out that they believe you to be brainwashed with liberal twaddle.

Too many people think they are in possession of the objective truth. It started out with the conservatives, but unfortunately liberals are adopting it more and more every day.

Fishooks12 · 16-10-2011 11:11PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

most people are annoyed by how they portray themselves as unbiased with slogans like "fair and balanced", "we report the news you decide", at least jon stewart made chris wallace admit that fox only report on one side so at least thats a start, however they don't even try to hide their bias while still claiming to be neutral, thats never been more evident than in the past 2 weeks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5ENHlAbd9E

+1

It's important to recognise the difference between opinion shows like Chris Wallace which can push their own personal agendas all they want, and supposed objective reporting as seen in the "report" here

AhSureTisGrand · 16-10-2011 11:12PM

In fairness there's a big difference between saying "it's wrong" and "it should be banned". Free speech allows you criticize how others use their free speech

Wompa1 · 16-10-2011 11:13PM

Is there any good tv news?

RTE, BBC, Fox, Sky, CNBC..they all play tricks.

Fox are singled out because they are right wing while most others are left. BBC and CNBC can be atrocious at times too.

Einhard · 16-10-2011 11:14PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

they don't even try to hide their bias while still claiming to be neutral, thats never been more evident than in the past 2 weeks

Surely that's a good thing?

I dislike Fox News as much as you (well actually, I kinda like them cos they make me laugh!), but they have as much right to peddle their spiel as you do.

Fishooks12 · 16-10-2011 11:14PM

Einhard wrote: »

The allegedly brainwashed people could just as validly point out that they believe you to be brainwashed with liberal twaddle.

Too many people think they are in possession of the objective truth. It started out with the conservatives, but unfortunately liberals are adopting it more and more every day.

I'd hate Fox just as much if their bias was directed from the left rather than the right side of the political spectrum. It's Fox claiming to be balanced when being anything but that bothers me, nothing to do with politics

LaFlammeRouge · 16-10-2011 11:15PM

Fishooks12 wrote: »

I know perfectly well they can do what they like but the fact that they call themselves a news station is laughable and I hate the conservative bile they brainwash people with.

News is supposed to be about objective reporting, Fox is not, therefore I and a lot of other people dislike it (in a similar way to how I dislike the mail here)

What is wrong with not liking a media outlet?

Most americans get their news from the terrestrial stations: ABC, NBC and CBS. They go to cable for editorial programming.

AhSureTisGrand · 16-10-2011 11:15PM

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Even in the Simpsons you can see it, the show was never critical of Bush but always jumped at the opportunity to insult Clinton and make him out to be a dirtbag

Funny that — it was from The Simpsons that I first learnt how terrible Fox News is

Fishooks12 · 16-10-2011 11:16PM

Einhard wrote: »

Surely that's a good thing?

I dislike Fox News as much as you (well actually, I kinda like them cos they make me laugh!), but they have as much right to peddle their spiel as you do.

I never once said they didn't have the right to do it?! I'm just saying why they I hate them and that people should take what they hear on Fox with a pinch of salt

If you can find a post where I said Fox shouldn't be allowed to say what they do be my guest

Einhard · 16-10-2011 11:18PM

Fishooks12 wrote: »

when did i say anything about an "american system"? My gripe is with Fox

Land of the free my arse

the views only come from one side, that's the problem

Are individuals the only ones allowed to express views?

Media outlets with one view-point and no objectivity are dangerous

But there are many very liberal outlets in the US. Indeed, I think the hysteria over Fox is a bit exaggerated considering the US has become far more liberal over the past few decades. The reason Fox et al exists is because the conservatives know they are losing the culture wars. It's the last, angry snap of an injured animal IMO.

Fishooks12 · 16-10-2011 11:19PM

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

Funny that — it was from The Simpsons that I first learnt how terrible Fox News is

All the Fox bashing in The Simpsons is in jest, Groening was hardly going to bite the hand that was feeding him

Don't you find it funny that in the 8 years G Bush jnr was president he wasn't made reference to once?

Clinton on the other hand was constantly the subject of jokes, in one episode he looks at the camera, winks and says :"But hey, I was a pretty lousy president"

Fishooks12 · 16-10-2011 11:21PM

LaFlammeRouge wrote: »

Most americans get their news from the terrestrial stations: ABC, NBC and CBS. They go to cable for editorial programming.

why should that mean that they have biased news reporting on top of their editorial?

Einhard · 16-10-2011 11:25PM

Fishooks12 wrote: »

So that gives them the right to have biased news reporting on top of their editorial?

They have the right under the American Constitution.

Wompa1 · 16-10-2011 11:26PM

Fox News coverage of Katrina:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBUYiZWztuU&feature=related

Geraldo was way over the top but for that the focus was on pleading with the Republican government to help the people there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSiJ-pvbKLE

Morning host walks off the show during BS Obama discussion

It's worth noting. I think here Fox News is portrayed as being the leading source of news in America. That's not true. They get the highest ratings but that's for the opinion shows like O'Rielly, Greta Van Sustern and that a-hole Hannity!

Never had the experience of seeing Glenn Beck, heard he's a piece of work!

Fishooks12 · 16-10-2011 11:27PM

Einhard wrote: »

They have the right under the American Constitution.

why do you keep playing the free speech card when I'm not denying their right to broadcast their right wing ****e, a point which I've expressed numerous times already?

Fishooks12 · 16-10-2011 11:30PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

Fox News coverage of Katrina:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBUYiZWztuU&feature=related

Geraldo was way over the top but for that the focus was on pleading with the Republican government to help the people there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSiJ-pvbKLE

Morning host walks off the show during BS Obama discussion

It's worth noting. I think here Fox News is portrayed as being the leading source of news in America. That's not true. They get the highest ratings but that's for the opinion shows like O'Rielly, Greta Van Sustern and that a-hole Hannity!

Never had the experience of seeing Glenn Beck, heard he's a piece of work!

Never saw that one before!

I wonder do they get all these airhead female presenters straight off the beauty pageant circuit?

LaFlammeRouge · 16-10-2011 11:30PM

Fishooks12 wrote: »

why do you keep playing the free speech card when I'm not denying their right to broadcast their right wing ****e, a point which I've expressed numerous times already?

You're only ranting because you are jealous. You are a leftie and cannot understand that people like fox. Meanwhile a station like MSNBC does the same thing but you don't bleat on about them.

Fishooks12 · 16-10-2011 11:35PM

LaFlammeRouge wrote: »

You're only ranting because you are jealous. You are a leftie and cannot understand that people like fox. Meanwhile a station like MSNBC does the same thing but you don't bleat on about them.

That post makes little sense

Why would I be jealous of gutter journalism? I consider my political affiliation as centre right if anything so stop trying to pigeon hole me as a "lefty" when I haven't expressed one political opinion

Haven't heard much of MSNBC but I'd dislike them just as much if they were pushing leftist ideals

Canis Lupus · 16-10-2011 11:38PM

This is one of my faves..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqcyz3UDvGw

Fishooks12 · 16-10-2011 11:40PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

This is one of my faves..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqcyz3UDvGw

"Its split!"

Einhard · 16-10-2011 11:43PM

Fishooks12 wrote: »

why do you keep playing the free speech card when I'm not denying their right to broadcast their right wing ****e, a point which I've expressed numerous times already?

Well it's just because you stated "land of the free my arse" in the first post. Seemed to be implying that they weren't the land of the free, and that censoring Fox News would make America more free. That's what I took issue with.

LOL and you demanded "does that give them the right to have biased news reporting", before you did a sneaky ninja edit!!

Fishooks12 · 16-10-2011 11:46PM

Einhard wrote: »

Well it's just because you stated "land of the free my arse" in the first post. Seemed to be implying that they weren't the land of the free, and that censoring Fox News would make America more free. That's what I took issue with.

I can see why you might think that, might have been a poor choice of words on my part

I meant it more along the lines of Fox trying to brainwash the public with their belittling of the left while giving the republicans more of a platform

But no, I don't think that they should be censored, they have a right to peddle gutter journalism, just a shame so many buy into it over there

Fox News interviewer gets torn a new one.

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