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Man told he can stay in ghost estate home

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  • #392
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    MagicSean wrote: »
    You may have paid them back but at the time you were in the minus but were happy to take the handout. You could just as easily have been unemployed for the rest of your life. Depression is quite treatable and there's no reason why he won't have a job in the future.
    I didn't get any handout. I'm being pedantic too, as that's how you like to roll. And what odds would you give me on this guy getting a highly paid job for the rest of his working life? I'd give you 1000 to 1.


  • #393
    IrishEyes19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭IrishEyes19


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I didn't claim four years of college fees at all, if you want to be pedantic. Suffice it to say that the hundreds of thousands of euros I've paid in tax since then puts me well in credit.

    Do you think this guy is going to come off disability and suddenly earn sufficient money that he'll be back in credit? :D And pigs will fly...

    + 1 to this
    I love how someone is trying to compare looking for help receiving an education to actually going onto someones property illegally and availing of an old law to then claim it as their own.

    And as it is, Im the same, Ive paid my own college fees and taxes from working.

    there is no comparission.

    I just wonder how sympathetic moral good doers would be, if it was there property he had squatted in


  • #394
    Crazy Horse 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭Crazy Horse 6


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    To be fair, if you've this attitude, you can't complain about the banks or the developers or Fianna Failure either. It's either all wrong or all right.

    Well they are meant to set the standards tbh. Money see monkey do.


  • #395
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I didn't get any handout. I'm being pedantic too, as that's how you like to roll. And what odds would you give me on this guy getting a highly paid job for the rest of his working life? I'd give you 1000 to 1.

    And you base those odds solely on prejudice. I know quite a few people who have been to college and have not been in full time employment since. Doesn't make them scroungers, just unlucky. Unemployment is not a problem limited to the ex-junkie.

    And you did get a handout. You got your fees paid for without having had to pay any tax beforehand.
    IrishEyes19 wrote: »
    + 1 to this
    I love how someone is trying to compare looking for help receiving an education to actually going onto someones property illegally and availing of an old law to then claim it as their own.

    And as it is, Im the same, Ive paid my own college fees and taxes from working.

    there is no comparission.

    I just wonder how sympathetic moral good doers would be, if it was there property he had squatted in

    It's an abandoned house that can't be sold. You would rather it rot than provide someone a home? And for your information he did not enter the property illegally. He was cleared of that charge.

    So you paid enough tax to cover your college fees before you actually started college?


  • #396
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    MagicSean wrote: »
    And you base those odds solely on prejudice. I know quite a few people who have been to college and have not been in full time employment since. Doesn't make them scroungers, just unlucky. Unemployment is not a problem limited to the ex-junkie.

    Dead right. Another way of looking at it is that I look at the information available and make a decision based on that information. So you might call me prejudiced if I said a cow would not win the Grand National, but based on the available information I think I would still be correct.


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  • #397
    Sooopie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Sooopie


    MagicSean wrote: »
    And you base those odds solely on prejudice. I know quite a few people who have been to college and have not been in full time employment since. Doesn't make them scroungers, just unlucky. Unemployment is not a problem limited to the ex-junkie.

    And you did get a handout. You got your fees paid for without having had to pay any tax beforehand.



    It's an abandoned house that can't be sold. You would rather it rot than provide someone a home? And for your information he did not enter the property illegally. He was cleared of that charge.

    So you paid enough tax to cover your college fees before you actually started college?


    Certainly not when you've got squatter with a 29 year old playing in the front garden.


  • #398
    Tazz T
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,468 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    This thread stinks of prejudice, bigotry and begrugery.

    Not one of you wouldn't do the same thing if you were in his circumstances. No wonder we're in the ****.


  • #399
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    MagicSean wrote: »
    So you paid enough tax to cover your college fees before you actually started college?
    Still going with this moronic line of questioning? I guess you are ultimately going to call people spongers for taking milk from their mothers? :rolleyes:


  • #400
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Tazz T wrote: »
    Not one of you wouldn't do the same thing if you were in his circumstances.
    Horsesh!t.
    Tazz T wrote: »
    No wonder we're in the ****.
    Yeah - too many people helping themselves to the taxpayers' wallets.


  • #401
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Tazz T wrote: »
    This thread stinks of prejudice, bigotry and begrugery.

    Not one of you wouldn't do the same thing if you were in his circumstances. No wonder we're in the ****.

    I wouldn't do the same


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  • #402
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Sooopie wrote: »
    Certainly not when you've got squatter with a 29 year old playing in the front garden.

    Yeah because the housing market is booming at the moment.
    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Still going with this moronic line of questioning? I guess you are ultimately going to call people spongers for taking milk from their mothers? :rolleyes:

    I'm not calling anyone spongers. I'm saying we all have gotten something from the government coffers. You're looking down on someone because they get disability because apparently it's beneath the college fees you got.


  • #403
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Sooopie wrote: »
    anyone have a rough idea how much you get a week on disability?

    188 big ones


  • #404
    Sooopie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Sooopie


    MagicSean wrote: »
    Yeah because the housing market is booming at the moment.

    Ok so, by your reasoning, i should just rawk up to a vacant property, set myself up in it & start living the good life, yeh?


  • #405
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Sooopie wrote: »

    Ok so, by your reasoning, i should just rawk up to a vacant property, set myself up in it & start living the good life, yeh?

    Are you homeless, recovering from a drug addiction and unable to work due to severe depression?


  • #406
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    MagicSean wrote: »
    I'm not calling anyone spongers. I'm saying we all have gotten something from the government coffers. You're looking down on someone because they get disability because apparently it's beneath the college fees you got.
    It may astonish you to learn that most of us are net contributors to the system. We get less out that we put in. The reason for this is that some people take a free ride for their whole lives and let us pay for their clothes, their food, their holidays, their homes, their children and their healthcare from the day they are born to the day they die.

    These people are the problem. I've no issues at all with people who want to work but are not able or cannot find work. I suspect that our friend in this story may not be in either of these categories, and if he is unable to work it is likely due to his self-inflicted drug habit.


  • #407
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    MagicSean wrote: »
    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I didn't get any handout. I'm being pedantic too, as that's how you like to roll. And what odds would you give me on this guy getting a highly paid job for the rest of his working life? I'd give you 1000 to 1.

    And you base those odds solely on prejudice. I know quite a few people who have been to college and have not been in full time employment since. Doesn't make them scroungers, just unlucky. Unemployment is not a problem limited to the ex-junkie.

    And you did get a handout. You got your fees paid for without having had to pay any tax beforehand.
    IrishEyes19 wrote: »
    + 1 to this
    I love how someone is trying to compare looking for help receiving an education to actually going onto someones property illegally and availing of an old law to then claim it as their own.

    And as it is, Im the same, Ive paid my own college fees and taxes from working.

    there is no comparission.

    I just wonder how sympathetic moral good doers would be, if it was there property he had squatted in

    It's an abandoned house that can't be sold. You would rather it rot than provide someone a home? And for your information he did not enter the property illegally. He was cleared of that charge.

    So you paid enough tax to cover your college fees before you actually started college?

    So if everyone in private rented follows his lead what happens to the houses they have vacated oh yeah they are left empty and abondoned so what do you do with them then?

    Here is a solution for you let him stay there let him pay rent to the government let him maintain responsibility for repairs to it. Charge him the rent for a brand new 3 bed semi in that area lets say 120 a week which is conservative and deduct this at source from his social welfare payment which guarantees he pays it that way he gets to stay there he gets to pay rent which he so desperately wants to!!!! Oh and the house isn't vacant then.

    Sorry was meant to add he must also pay the arrears for the rent he should've been paying since he broke in.


  • #408
    Sooopie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Sooopie


    MagicSean wrote: »
    Are you homeless, recovering from a drug addiction and unable to work due to severe depression?

    Was he homeless when he took the house?


  • #409
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    Monty Burnz wrote: »

    Yeah - too many people helping themselves to the taxpayers' wallets.

    yes that is why we are ruined as a nation nothing to do with the banks,developers or the government


  • #410
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    laoch na mona wrote: »
    yes that is why we are ruined as a nation nothing to do with the banks,developers or the government
    Except for all of them putting their hands in the taxpayers' wallet?


  • #411
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    laoch na mona wrote: »
    yes that is why we are ruined as a nation nothing to do with the banks,developers or the government

    It's a huge contributing factor. A third of yearly government expenditure is social welfare and the figure is constantly rising with our aging population.

    We'll have our bank debts paid at some stage but there is literally no end to the social welfare bill so we should be looking for every method possible to reduce it.


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  • #412
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    but so many people genuinely need social to survive


  • #413
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    MagicSean wrote: »
    Are you homeless, recovering from a drug addiction and unable to work due to severe depression?

    Or, alternatively, able to do up a house with new floors etc??:confused:


  • #414
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If he was working and signing why didn't you report him?

    Wouldn't have made any difference my friend. And still it goes on.


  • #415
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    laoch na mona wrote: »
    but so many people genuinely need social to survive

    They didn't during the boom and there were still plenty of people living like the guy in this story.

    I have no problem with the State pension, genuinely disabled people receiving money or people getting assistance because they are willing to work but can't find a job.

    There is however, hundreds of millions a year being claimed by gougers and chancers like the fella in this story.


  • #416
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    MagicSean wrote: »
    I'm sorry that you are still so upset by the guy from 25 years ago who earned more than you by defrauding the dole. I don't really see how it is relevant to the story in question though.

    You mentioned that we are paying for his lifestyle. He gets only a disability allowance. If he wasn't squatting in an abandoned house he would be getting rent allowance too. So he is actually saving us money.

    I doubt that.

    Sean, your logic truly defies belief. On the basis of this flawed logic, some people pay for everything and others, well, just keep getting more and more - for free. And you and others are OK with this. Ergo an €18bn deficit.

    BTW, where do you work, seeing as you 'come into contact with people like him every day'?:confused:


  • #417
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    MagicSean wrote: »
    I doubt that.

    On what basis? There is only so much that people can - and will - take.


  • #418
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Wouldn't have made any difference my friend. And still it goes on.

    If people started reporting the fraudsters, there's be more money for the genuine cases.


  • #419
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    It may astonish you to learn that most of us are net contributors to the system. We get less out that we put in. The reason for this is that some people take a free ride for their whole lives and let us pay for their clothes, their food, their holidays, their homes, their children and their healthcare from the day they are born to the day they die.

    These people are the problem. I've no issues at all with people who want to work but are not able or cannot find work. I suspect that our friend in this story may not be in either of these categories, and if he is unable to work it is likely due to his self-inflicted drug habit.

    Actually most of us aren't net contributors. You and i may be but if most people were then we wouldn't have such a major deficit.
    Sooopie wrote: »
    Was he homeless when he took the house?

    I believe he was yes.
    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Or, alternatively, able to do up a house with new floors etc??:confused:

    Being on disability doesn't require you to be bed ridden.
    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Sean, your logic truly defies belief. On the basis of this flawed logic, some people pay for everything and others, well, just keep getting more and more - for free. And you and others are OK with this. Ergo an €18bn deficit.

    BTW, where do you work, seeing as you 'come into contact with people like him every day'?:confused:

    That's how our society works. Those who can help those in need.


  • #420
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    If people started reporting the fraudsters, there's be more money for the genuine cases.

    Maybe, maybe not Monty. You know what it's like when you ring that Garda line to report dangerous drivers. ALL the onus is placed on you. Not the Garda. This would be no different.


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  • #421
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    mickydoomsux wrote: »

    There is however, hundreds of millions a year being claimed by gougers and chancers like the fella in this story.

    that's a minority if you try to improve your situation you end up worse of e.g take a **** job lose your medical card


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