Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

Man told he can stay in ghost estate home

1…89111314…24

Comments

  • #302
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Mr tuohy said he found it unlocked I assume is what you refer to so you base tour evidence on the word of Mr tuohy the reformed drug addict squatter criminal very reliable source there mike forgive me if I don't take his word as Gospel as I'm not that nieve or stupid

    The Gardai and the judge seemed to believe him but maybe theyre all wrong and should have taken the advice of someone who has never set foot in the place and knows sh@g all about the man, the house or the circumstances other than a reading of a newspaper article heavily coloured by their own inherent prejudice and bile ?


  • #303
    Sooopie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Sooopie


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    The Gardai and the judge seemed to believe him but maybe theyre all wrong and should have taken the advice of someone who has never set foot in the place and knows sh@g all about the man, the house or the circumstances other than a reading of a newspaper article heavily coloured by their own inherent prejudice and bile ?


    same can be said for those vigourously defending him, preaching from their politically correct pedestals


  • #304
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Sooopie wrote: »
    politically correct

    :rolleyes: stopped reading after that.


  • #305
    Sooopie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Sooopie


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    :rolleyes: stopped reading after that.

    no bother, you'd still have understood my point :p


  • #306
    Custardpi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    Sooopie wrote: »
    same can be said for those vigourously defending him, preaching from their politically correct pedestals

    The difference being of course that their view is actually endorsed by a judge, who one assumes from being involved in the case knows a damn sight more about the man & the law than you. We're going to have to find a better use for the many thousands of NAMA properties around the country such as this one, which are lying empty & useless. There may well be a better use than allowing this man to live in it, I'm not disputing that possibility. But until then, given the nature of the property, ie: a NAMA'ed investment property rather than someone's home (a distinction which I have made several times on this thread), he is depriving absolutely no one of any utility by residing there.


  • Advertisement
  • #307
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    To be fair, if you've this attitude, you can't complain about the banks or the developers or Fianna Failure either. It's either all wrong or all right.

    What difference does it make if we "can complain" or not?


  • #308
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    donalg1 wrote: »
    Mr tuohy said he found it unlocked I assume is what you refer to so you base tour evidence on the word of Mr tuohy the reformed drug addict squatter criminal very reliable source there mike forgive me if I don't take his word as Gospel as I'm not that nieve or stupid

    The Gardai and the judge seemed to believe him but maybe theyre all wrong and should have taken the advice of someone who has never set foot in the place and knows sh@g all about the man, the house or the circumstances other than a reading of a newspaper article heavily coloured by their own inherent prejudice and bile ?

    Well I for one certainly don't believe him and I reckon the guards don't either they just can't prove he broke in so Mr tuohy saying "I didn't do it" isn't really good enough for me given the type if chap he is I would find it very hard to believe a word he says.


  • #309
    Dempo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    westendgirlie wrote: »
    Oh I'm split. On one hand I applaud him and what he has done to a run down house. But on the other hand, more are gonna break in and squat and they won't care what state they live in.

    Me too, Its the people who actually bought into these estates that I feel sorry for, I know one couple living alongside another couple amongst 30 unfinished eyesores up in Leitrim, its an horrific sight to behold, open sewers, exposed electrical cables, unfinished roads and paths and no one, especially the developers and now I assume NAMA is doing anything about it. Couples like I mentioned are completely trapped, have noway out and yet are expected to pay their mortgages. This is not an example of people buying into crazy priced housing, these are couples who purchased in good faith their first homes.

    In some respects I applaud anyone who is prepared to take charge of these abandoned homes, clearly those responsible are not willing too.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • #310
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Jezzabelle wrote: »
    Look, let's face it no one is going to buy half of these **** holes so theoretically speaking, if a man is in need of a home and he is willing to pay good money to rent it (which is what he stated) then I say fair play to him and let him off. I believe this is what should be done with the vast amount of vacant housing available -let's use it for social housing and fit the need that clearly is out there for it at the moment.

    Also the court found that he has committed no wrong in relation to the law of adverse possession - the law probably needs to be changed in this regard and I suspect this will be dealt with fairly swiftly otherwise chaos will descend in light of the outcome of the case this week.

    Who does he pay rent to? Nama aren't going to become landlords to suit these people so renting it is not an option for mr tuohy so if he so desperately wants to rent somewhere and stay on the right side of the law then he should leave and go into private rented. But he won't do that as he broke in to this property for the specific purpose of living somewhere rent free.


  • #311
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    donalg1 wrote: »
    But he won't do that as he broke in to this property

    A court of law has already established that he didnt but seeing as how you insist on defaming him repeatedly I think its about time it was brought to his attention.


  • Advertisement
  • #312
    Sooopie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Sooopie


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    A court of law has already established that he didnt but seeing as how you insist on defaming him repeatedly I think its about time it was brought to his attention.

    He's probs set himself up with wifi an all


  • #313
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    donalg1 wrote: »
    But he won't do that as he broke in to this property

    A court of law has already established that he didnt but seeing as how you insist on defaming him repeatedly I think its about time it was brought to his attention.



    Sure maybe you can tell him when you go to pick him up when moving him into your house


  • #314
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Who does he pay rent to? Nama aren't going to become landlords to suit these people so renting it is not an option for mr tuohy so if he so desperately wants to rent somewhere and stay on the right side of the law then he should leave and go into private rented. But he won't do that as he broke in to this property for the specific purpose of living somewhere rent free.

    The fact is that he would get rent allowance so he would be just oaying it straigh back to the state. This way we have one less person claiming rent allowance at no cost to the state. As I've said, this is what should be done with all NAMA properties. Would save an awful lot off the social welfare bill.


  • #315
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    MagicSean wrote: »
    donalg1 wrote: »
    Who does he pay rent to? Nama aren't going to become landlords to suit these people so renting it is not an option for mr tuohy so if he so desperately wants to rent somewhere and stay on the right side of the law then he should leave and go into private rented. But he won't do that as he broke in to this property for the specific purpose of living somewhere rent free.

    The fact is that he would get rent allowance so he would be just oaying it straigh back to the state. This way we have one less person claiming rent allowance at no cost to the state. As I've said, this is what should be done with all NAMA properties. Would save an awful lot off the social welfare bill.

    Rent allowance is a different thread now. I said in a previous post he can afford rent in tullamore himself and still have plenty left for food without the need for rent allowance. And who exactly does he pay rent to if he stays in this property


  • #316
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Rent allowance is a different thread now. I said in a previous post he can afford rent in tullamore himself and still have plenty left for food without the need for rent allowance. And who exactly does he pay rent to if he stays in this property

    That would require him to give up luxuries such as heat and electricity would it not?


  • #317
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    MagicSean wrote: »
    That would require him to give up luxuries such as heat and electricity would it not?

    No of course not you see a one bed in tullamore can be rented for about 90 - 100 euro leaving him with at least 88 euro for food for the week, now one man can easily feed himself on 50 euro per week maximum leaving him with at least 38 euro per week to be put aside for his electricity. See how easy that was to sort for him.

    And as for heating well he will get a €20 fuel allowance for that.


  • #318
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    donalg1 wrote: »
    No of course not you see a one bed in tullamore can be rented for about 90 - 100 euro leaving him with at least 88 euro for food for the week, now one man can easily feed himself on 50 euro per week maximum leaving him with at least 38 euro per week to be put aside for his electricity. See how easy that was to sort for him.

    And as for heating well he will get a €20 fuel allowance for that.

    Have you actually convinced yourself that a person could live off 88 euro per week without any problem?


  • #319
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    MagicSean wrote: »
    Have you actually convinced yourself that a person could live off 88 euro per week without any problem?

    Are you actually saying he needs more than €88 per week for food then?


  • #320
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Are you actually saying he needs more than €88 per week for food then?

    Food is just one of many expenses adults have on a weekly basis.


  • #321
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    MagicSean wrote: »
    Have you actually convinced yourself that a person could live off 88 euro per week without any problem?

    I do that most weeks and i work for a living.


  • Advertisement
  • #322
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    I do that most weeks and i work for a living.

    So you pay all your utility bills and expenses with only€352 a month? Even if you assume €50 a week for food. That leaves €152 per month for everything else. Heat, electricity, medical bills, transport, phone. That's assuming your life evolves solely around survival alone.


  • #323
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    i have already explained how he can afford electricity and heat so thats that argument ended.

    As for a phone, well i would view that as a luxury item which if you cant afford you dont get, now if after he pays his rent, electricity, heating he still has money left over well he can use that for a phone for himself if he doesnt have anything left well then he doesnt have a phone.

    He is on Social Welfare so has a medical card so no medical expenses need come out of his 188 per week.


  • #324
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    MagicSean wrote: »
    So you pay all your utility bills and expenses with only€352 a month? Even if you assume €50 a week for food. That leaves €152 per month for everything else. Heat, electricity, medical bills, transport, phone. That's assuming your life evolves solely around survival alone.

    Try 50 every fortnight for food (shop in Aldi or Lidl), a €600 fill of oil lasts me about 18 months if not more, electricity is usually 30-40 a week (if even that), no medical bills, i drive a diesel car so it's 50 every fortnight, only have the phone for broadband so it's something like 55 a month and my mobile gets a top up maybe 3 times a year for €30 a pop.

    It's is indeed only me which is why i said I do it most weeks.


  • #325
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    donalg1 wrote: »
    As for a phone, well i would view that as a luxury item which if you cant afford you dont get.

    A phone might be handy all the same if he were to ever to get a notion to do something mad like ...you know....look for a job ?


  • #326
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    MagicSean wrote: »
    Have you actually convinced yourself that a person could live off 88 euro per week without any problem?

    A single person could live on 30 euros per week if they had to. A sack of spuds is what, 5 euros? 500 grams of pasta - 3 euros? You could cover your staple needs (rice, potato, pasta etc) for a tenner, no problem. Spend the rest on meat, fruit and veg. Done.


  • #327
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    A phone might be handy all the same if he were to ever to get a notion to do something mad like ...you know....look for a job ?

    Why does he need a phone to look for a job, he has a pair of feet. Ever heard of a pay phone?

    €5 a week then for credit for his phone if he "has" to have one, take that out of the €38 i have over allocated for his electricity and he is now sorted.


  • #328
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Ever heard of a pay phone?

    :rolleyes: Ever heard of a prospective employer wanting to call back ?


  • #329
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    Try 50 every fortnight for food (shop in Aldi or Lidl), a €600 fill of oil lasts me about 18 months if not more, electricity is usually 30-40 a week (if even that), no medical bills, i drive a diesel car so it's 50 every fortnight, only have the phone for broadband so it's something like 55 a month and my mobile gets a top up maybe 3 times a year for €30 a pop.

    It's is indeed only me which is why i said I do it most weeks.

    So 25 a week for food. 25 for diesel. 40 for electricity/heat. Woops. You're already in debt. And you haven't even paid for your car insurance, car tax, home insurance, phone.


  • #330
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    A single person could live on 30 euros per week if they had to. A sack of spuds is what, 5 euros? 500 grams of pasta - 3 euros? You could cover your staple needs (rice, potato, pasta etc) for a tenner, no problem. Spend the rest on meat, fruit and veg. Done.

    I know the country is in bad shape but I think it's a very poor reflection on us if we require people to live to basic human right standards.


  • Advertisement
  • #331
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    :rolleyes: Ever heard of a prospective employer wanting to call back ?

    And he needs credit to receive calls now does he???????????????????:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


Advertisement
Advertisement