Man told he can stay in ghost estate home

suicide_circus · 15-10-2011 02:06PM

Custardpi wrote: »

What business is that of yours? Just because someone is on social welfare does not make them sub-human. There's bugger all jobs out there, if you know of any available that would suit him why don't you contact the papers who can pass on the details to him? Like I said he's made mistakes in his life but is trying to establish a more stable environment for himself. Regardless of your hatred of unemployed people & those with psychological issues the fact remains that this guy by living in & maintaining the house is preserving it's value far better than letting it rot & be taken over by rats & pigeons. Practically, it's the best option for the owner.

Cut the fu<king sh¡t.
This guy is a chancer, a piss taker. Your attitude in defending this arsehole is what allows our society facilitate his lifestyle. We all have problems, but we dont all use them as an excuse to demand a free ride from the state. I believe in the state helping people to get back on their feet but then you have generations of wasters who just take take take. Its our culture of entitlements and rights with no reference to personal or social responsibility which have lead to this basketcase welfare state. You see this guy as a victim? A victim or what? Society? His parents? The times we live in? This inequity leads to resentment in the people who fund the benifits of the very people who are likely to steal their car or mug them in the street. The system is ****ing broken.

Mike 1972 · 15-10-2011 02:09PM

westendgirlie wrote: »

If I was living in an estate of 50 houses and only 10 were occupied, I would love if they flattened the other houses. Would bring the value of the other houses (at some future date) up.

So NAMA (i.e. the taxpayer) should demolish houses they own just in order to artificially prop up the "value" of YOUR house ?

So its okay for you to have a sense of entitlement to what effectively amounts to welfare at the public expense but not somebody else.

The Ironing is truly delicious.

Custardpi · 15-10-2011 02:14PM

Sooopie wrote: »

as a tax payer i think it is my business

So what's your alternative, have him begging on the streets? If you answer "get a job" then why don't you list the many employment & entrepreneurial opportunities in the area that you're aware of? Obviously you're completely perfect in every way so there's no chance you'll ever fall on hard times but putting your innate superiority aside the fact remains that by living in the house he's doing the owner a service, which letting the place rot wouldn't do. Nobody wants to buy these houses & they probably won't for the next decade or so at least, so having a caretaker there is better for the owner & (whether they can get past their snobbery to realise it or not) better for his neighbours too, who will have one less rat infested ruin in their estate going forward.

mikemac · 15-10-2011 02:16PM

Meanwhile, there are about 100,000 households on the local authority housing waiting list, up from 58,000 in 2008.

It's a bit misleading, to get rent allowance you have to register with the council.
A huge amount of these will never get a sniff of a council flat or house but they have to be on the list

westendgirlie wrote: »

I really don't know what the solution to this is. If I was living in an estate of 50 houses and only 10 were occupied, I would love if they flattened the other houses. Would bring the value of the other houses (at some future date) up.

Or the council can take up these maintenance issues like tarmac you've been posting about. And then take over the houses and rent to council tenants on the list, better option then demolishing them

But then many would hate this, lots of threads over in accommodation forum full of fear when they hear the council has taken over blocks in their estate

I don't know much about depression but I would think working for a goal and a purpose and keep active helps and this guy doesn't seem so bad
Time to kick him off disability and put him on jobseekers. He can join the local authority list too if he wants

admiralofthefleet · 15-10-2011 02:20PM

absolutey delighted for the bloke

lesserspottedchloe · 15-10-2011 02:31PM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I declare the stampede for free empty gaffs open!

Seriously, though, this is the new paradigm - now we know what houses in Ireland are worth - pretty much fuck all.

What does this mean for those who bought and are up to their oxters in neg equity? It means you've been financially raped. Take that up with the banks (who you bailed out, but who won't be bailing you out.)

We have a problem of homelessness and we have thousands of empty gaffs. It shouldn't be rocket science to put the two together, but it must be done in some sort of ordered fashion, not with oul junkies jumping to the front of the queue so their 29 year olds have a garden to play in.

AGREED!

westendgirlie · 15-10-2011 02:32PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

So NAMA (ice. the taxpayer) should demolish houses they own just in order to artificially prop up the "value" of YOUR house ?

So its okay for you to have a sense of entitlement to what effectively amounts to welfare at the public expense but not somebody else.

The Ironing is truly delicious.

First of all it's not my estate I am talking hypothetically.

Let's say there are 2 estates beside each other. Both estates have the exact same houses. One estate consists of 10 houses all occupied. The other consists of 50 houses but only 10 are finished and occupied. Even at todays market value the houses in the finished estate would be worth more than those in the unfinished one.
The chances are that the other 40 houses will never be finished and as time goes by, would cost more to finish. Would it not be more economical to toss the unfinished houses and keep the land as an asset?
At the same time this might reduce the negative equity that the homeowners are in.

Mike 1972 · 15-10-2011 02:41PM

westendgirlie wrote: »

The chances are that the other 40 houses will never be finished and as time goes by, would cost more to finish. Would it not be more economical to toss the unfinished houses and keep the land as an asset?

Unless there has been a sudden appreciation in the value of grazing land surely it would be more economical still to complete the houses (give a few unemployed builders something to do for a while) and rent them out to people who would otherwise remain on the housing the (or be the subject of massive state subsidies to private landlords/B&B owners) for years to come. If they can even find a few low income working individuals/families to rent at near market rates so much the better. Far better than paying off the gambling debts reducing the negative equity that the homeowners are in.

Speaking hypothetically of course.

ThinkAboutIt · 15-10-2011 03:11PM

ThinkAboutIt wrote: »

LOL. You couldnt have made up a better story to troll Boards.ie!

9 pages later.. they are still moaning LOL.

mikemac · 15-10-2011 03:12PM

Only four pages, forty posts a page

I pity the fools reading nine pages

jdooley28 · 15-10-2011 03:18PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

So NAMA (i.e. the taxpayer) should demolish houses they own just in order to artificially prop up the "value" of YOUR house ?

So its okay for you to have a sense of entitlement to what effectively amounts to welfare at the public expense but not somebody else.

The Ironing is truly delicious.

in fairness i dont think they actually expect NAMA to do that. Im sure they "would love" it to happen but realistically know it never will. i wonder how much rent this chancer is actually offering to pay?

JONJO THE MISER · 15-10-2011 03:21PM

I have my eye on a nice detached 5 bedroom house, gonna have to get the owners out of it first.

Mike 1972 · 15-10-2011 03:25PM

jdooley28 wrote: »

in fairness i dont think they actually expect NAMA to do that. Im sure they "would love" it to happen but realistically know it never will.

In the same way as I "would love" the government to give me free coke n' hookers and wotnot.........

I wish I still had your faith in human nature but Ive been on AH too long for that

Custardpi · 15-10-2011 03:27PM

jdooley28 wrote: »

in fairness i dont think they actually expect NAMA to do that. Im sure they "would love" it to happen but realistically know it never will. i wonder how much rent this chancer is actually offering to pay?

Whatever he's paying it'll be more than the owner was receiving before, which was zero & more than he'd be likely to get from elsewhere (again, zero) given the massive oversupply of housing.

books4sale · 15-10-2011 03:39PM

The county will have no travelling community left when they get wind of this story.

They'll all have gone and grabbed a free house.

amacachi · 15-10-2011 03:40PM

So hold on, go into an empty house and when someone reports it and the Gardaí arrive you just say "I'm going to claim adverse possession" and that's it? The Gardaí can't boot him out? How does that work exactly?

books4sale · 15-10-2011 03:42PM

amacachi wrote: »

So hold on, go into an empty house and when someone reports it and the Gardaí arrive you just say "I'm going to claim adverse possession" and that's it? The Gardaí can't boot him out? How does that work exactly?

Who cares!....free house.

westendgirlie · 15-10-2011 03:53PM

amacachi wrote: »

So hold on, go into an empty house and when someone reports it and the Gardaí arrive you just say "I'm going to claim adverse possession" and that's it? The Gardaí can't boot him out? How does that work exactly?

I have no idea why the gardai were taking him to court in the first place. It's a civil matter. If the court ordered the man to leave then the gardai would assist in executing that order.
 
Sad but true that someone could enter your house while you were on holidays. And to get them out you require an eviction order from the court.

bradlente · 15-10-2011 03:55PM

Rabble "kick the scumbag back out on the street so he can do some harm" rabble.

Why is everyone moaning about him being "given a free house",Read the article ffs.

"Solicitor John Hughes explained that his client had been left to his own devices in the house and, as they had recently learned the name of the owner, who is in NAMA, Mr Tuohy would like to pay rent and arrears."

What a monster.

amacachi · 15-10-2011 03:55PM

bradlente wrote: »

Rabble "kick the scumbag back out on the street so he can do some harm" rabble.

Why is everyone moaning about him being "given a free house",Read the article ffs.

"Solicitor John Hughes explained that his client had been left to his own devices in the house and, as they had recently learned the name of the owner, who is in NAMA, Mr Tuohy would like to pay rent and arrears."

What a monster.

But he can't afford gas, where's he going to get the money for arrears in rent?

suicide_circus · 15-10-2011 03:56PM

westendgirlie wrote: »

Sad but true that someone could enter your house while you were on holidays. And to get them out you require an eviction order from the court.

I think i'd rather use a baseball bat to get them out.

Custardpi · 15-10-2011 03:57PM

amacachi wrote: »

So hold on, go into an empty house and when someone reports it and the Gardaí arrive you just say "I'm going to claim adverse possession" and that's it? The Gardaí can't boot him out? How does that work exactly?

So what's the result if the Gardaí do kick him out? Does the owner instantly find a buyer/private renter or find an otherwise productive use for the house? Or does it simply go back to the way it was, rotting & decaying into nothing? I'd go with the latter as the far more likely scenario. He has displaced nobody & robbed nobody. He has in fact undertaken work to improve & preserve the house as an asset which would otherwise have been entirely idle.

westendgirlie · 15-10-2011 03:57PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I think i'd rather use a baseball bat to get them out.

Ditto but guess who would be classed as the criminal?

suicide_circus · 15-10-2011 03:58PM

bradlente wrote: »

"Solicitor John Hughes explained that his client had been left to his own devices in the house and, as they had recently learned the name of the owner, who is in NAMA, Mr Tuohy would like to pay rent and arrears."

What a monster.

Actually he wants the tax payer to pay his rent and arrears (after he was caught)
What a hero.

inforfun · 15-10-2011 04:00PM

jdooley28 wrote: »

i wonder how much rent this chancer is actually offering to pay?

As much as he can get rent allowance, i guess.

Less people would have a problem with this guy if he was someone working his balls of for minimum wage and couldnt afford to rent a proper place from that salary.

mickydoomsux · 15-10-2011 04:03PM

Custardpi wrote: »

..... robbed nobody.

So the house belongs to no one? It just grew out of the ground i suppose and if it was sold the money would just magically disappear into the ether?

bradlente · 15-10-2011 04:04PM

amacachi wrote: »

But he can't afford gas, where's he going to get the money for arrears in rent?

His SW and disability I presume.Pay back as much as he can every week.Take away the bare necessities he would need and thats still a fair bit.

Custardpi · 15-10-2011 04:12PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

So the house belongs to no one? It just grew out of the ground i suppose and if it was sold the money would just magically disappear into the ether?

If the owner can find a buyer for the house or someone who wants to rent it privately then the guy should vacate the property, which is clearly an investment property rather than someone's beloved family home. In the absence of such a scenario his presence is not depriving anyone of anything. The work he has done on the house & the maintenance he will no doubt carry out in the future will preserve what little value the house has.

Regardless of your personal feelings about this guy the fact remains that having someone living in & maintaining the house & paying some rent, however small is a far better deal for the owner than the realistic alternative which is letting the asset rot, which was exactly what it was doing prior to this gentleman entering.

bradlente · 15-10-2011 04:16PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Actually he wants the tax payer to pay his rent and arrears (after he was caught)
What a hero.

I must have missed that part of the article...

Compared to what many a well paid person has done to this country over the last few years I find it hard to believe how much vitriol is being spewed about this incident.Its not ideal imo by any means,But for me its nowhere near the disgrace that some people in here deem it to be.

mickydoomsux · 15-10-2011 04:23PM

bradlente wrote: »

I must have missed that part of the article...

Compared to what many a well paid person has done to this country over the last few years I find it hard to believe how much vitriol is being spewed about this incident.Its not ideal imo by any means,But for me its nowhere near the disgrace that some people in here deem it to be.

Ah, so because other people are perceived to have done worse we let this guy off after he stole a ****ing house?

Man told he can stay in ghost estate home

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