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listermint · 13-10-2011 04:15PM

Leftist wrote: »

Check it.

Hanging out with some home dogs one Friday night, pub closing time, one of them is making a joke at another's expense, teasing you know? we all laugh.

the old codger, bless his socks, takes offense to this in a drunken paranoid frenzy and motions to strike a youth, the youth strikes back, the old man is down.

In this instance, who is the scumbag?

A) the young man
the old man
C) bobby sands

No one. Sounds more like a wee brawl tbh. (all be it very short)

Leftist · 13-10-2011 04:17PM

listermint wrote: »

No one. Sounds more like a wee brawl tbh. (all be it very short)

Good and fair answer.

In fact in reality, another, non-present youth was blamed for it by the old man's wife. That story stuck, was investigated by police and the label stuck.

copeyhagen · 13-10-2011 04:20PM

yeh, he looks like he learned soemthing from all of this:

http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00972/murphy1_972358t.jpg

while the other pr1ck looks like "mary" from lord of the rings

http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00972/murphy2_972359t.jpg

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 13-10-2011 04:28PM

Leftist wrote: »

Seems fair.

The victim who was fully aware of the situation, who knows the full shtory, not some furious internet posters looking for a bogey man, one day it's the polish, the next it's gays, now it's the welfare class, any excuse to blame someone else and get outraged.

There was some sally on here a few weeks ago ballin over her handbag getting robbed from a parked car in Dublin city, scum this, scum that. No idea what scum is. Try needy, poor and marganilised.

Poor? Needy? Marganilised? Where do you live so I can break into your house, take your belongings and sell them for stuff I "need"... Are you having a laugh?

Leftist wrote: »

Nah, it's only a purse, up to people not to be leaving valuables in sights.

Thiefs aren't scum. Rapists are scum. Bit of realism here please, infact it's more obscene the more I think about it.

Major generalisation there but what do you expect from the daily mail brigade. 'they're all the same' and 'what about us poor middle class white people?' is the slogan around here it seems.

Blame the victim? Are you serious?

Leftist wrote: »

Good and fair answer.

In fact in reality, another, non-present youth was blamed for it by the old man's wife. That story stuck, was investigated by police and the label stuck.

How do you know anything of this story? Very little i'd imagine. :rolleyes:

Leftist · 13-10-2011 05:28PM

Alaric Sour Shipwreck wrote: »

Blame the victim? Are you serious?

Can't see where it says that actually.

Just common sense not to leave purses or valuables in plain sight in a car.

Alaric Sour Shipwreck wrote: »

How do you know anything of this story? Very little i'd imagine.

The story I told? yes I do know about it actually, I was there.

What an odd thing to say.

Stark · 14-10-2011 10:09AM

Alaric Sour Shipwreck wrote: »

Poor? Needy? Marganilised? Where do you live so I can break into your house, take your belongings and sell them for stuff I "need"... Are you having a laugh?

I wonder if the lefties have a minimum income in mind before it becomes unacceptable to go around kicking the **** out of old people.

14-10-2011 10:47AM

Pretty shocked by what is on display in this thread.

If Someone is desperate and breaks into a car for a bit of pocket change, to say there is no victim is insane. Whilst YOU may not be put off - other people will and are really affected by this.

My sister had her car smashed by some junkie while she was stopped at traffic lights. She was leaving work after a late shift and these guys know to watch for single women around this time in this area as they finish at the same time. Her husband had to collect her from late shifts for a year afterwards she was so terrified. She wasn't the same for a good while and whilst perhaps she is more timid than the average - this is not an excuse and the guy who did this - IS - a scumbag. Not as big a scumbag as a rapist or ?Hitler? but still a scumbag that seems to be operating at a level some people find an acceptable nuisance. I don't share this feeling.

And as regards to the OAP in this story. There is no justification at all. My nephew lost the plot last weekend and started having a right go at the nearest person (me) in an 11 year olds temper tantrum. I managed to end the situation without kicking his teeth in and putting him in hospital. A frail old man poses about as much risk to these two as an 11 year old does to me.

As regards the local community in this area of Limerick - some probably don't give a **** and their natural reaction is to obstruct police. Some are afraid. Either way - no jail time for an attack that could have resulted in death is (in my view) encouraging this behaviour. It is society saying that doing this to another person is ok, and you will not be punished for it.

It is not ok.

busyliving · 14-10-2011 10:50AM

Should the parents not have been arrested for obstructing justice

Leftist · 14-10-2011 10:55AM

I have a theory that irish people are obsessed with over exaggerating, hence the desperation to use words describing dirt or filth to describe people they do not like (aka scum). Another aspect of this hysterical national past-time is to completely exaggerate and purposefully misinterpret what someone else says in order to undermine their point and provide the wow factor the 'jaysis he didn't did he' brigade.

For instance, in this case, who said breaking into a car with somoen inside (or not) is fine? who said this, me? cba trawling through posts, but point it out please.

You can never stop crime by hating it or locking everyone up or boring people with personal sob stories. To stop it, you have to understand it, to understand it, you need to know why it happens.

It's like someone discussing the causes of national socialism and being labelled a nazi.

14-10-2011 11:01AM

Leftist wrote: »

For instance, in this case, who said breaking into a car with somoen inside (or not) is fine? who said this, me? cba trawling through posts, but point it out please.

Leftist wrote: »

I've seen those addicts in town, they cycle about looking in cars, seen them hundreds of times, desperate people. They never just break up cars for no reason. So you shouldn't be leaving purses in sight. In the middle of north dublin city. bit obv really.

As requested.

This post to my mind leaves the blame at people who make it easy for thieves.

What about people who work in these areas and have to commute through them. Maybe they should just get a new job in a different area. The addicts cant be blamed for being opportunistic - it's the victims fault for being vulnerable.

Stark · 14-10-2011 11:02AM

Leftist wrote: »

It's like someone discussing the causes of national socialism and being labelled a nazi.

One of the outcomes from the Nuremberg trials was that the actions of individuals during the war could be understood (eg: following orders) and learned from but never excused/justified.

Monty Burnz · 14-10-2011 11:04AM

Leftist wrote: »

I have a theory that irish people are obsessed with over exaggerating, hence the desperation to use words describing dirt or filth to describe people they do not like (aka scum). Another aspect of this hysterical national past-time is to completely exaggerate and purposefully misinterpret what someone else says in order to undermine their point and provide the wow factor the 'jaysis he didn't did he' brigade.

For instance, in this case, who said breaking into a car with somoen inside (or not) is fine? who said this, me? cba trawling through posts, but point it out please.

You can never stop crime by hating it or locking everyone up or boring people with personal sob stories. To stop it, you have to understand it, to understand it, you need to know why it happens.

It's like someone discussing the causes of national socialism and being labelled a nazi.

Would you care to relate some stories of the times when you were on the sharp end of an attack/beating/robbery from the underprivileged/marginalised? I'm sure we all have one.

Monty Burnz · 14-10-2011 11:06AM

Leftist wrote: »

I've seen those addicts in town, they cycle about looking in cars, seen them hundreds of times, desperate people. They never just break up cars for no reason. That's more for stupid kids. So you shouldn't be leaving purses in sight. In the middle of north dublin city. bit obv really.

Is this the same as the way that women shouldn't wear short skirts and that they are partially to blame when a man desperate for sex rapes them?

Leftist · 14-10-2011 11:06AM

Deleted User wrote: »

As requested.

This post to my mind leaves the blame at people who make it easy for thieves.

What about people who work in these areas and have to commute through them. Maybe they should just get a new job in a different area. The addicts cant be blamed for being opportunistic - it's the victims fault for being vulnerable.

Well then your mind is broken, sorry. Doesn't say anything of the sort, don't leave your valuables in sight, any Garda would tell you that, do you think they beleive robbery is fine?

Omg I'm outraged etc.

Come on.

Stark - yes. Eggs-actly. Understand things to see why it happens.
In the same analogy, should all countries reject defensive measurements because it's 'not their fault if someone else invades them'
Ridiculous.

Leftist · 14-10-2011 11:08AM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Would you care to relate some stories of the times when you were on the sharp end of an attack/beating/robbery from the underprivileged/marginalised? I'm sure we all have one.

No, I don't. Although it has happened it is irrelevant.

Speaking about subjects through raw emotion, such as anger, is not rationalised.

the_syco · 14-10-2011 11:10AM

Leftist wrote: »

Just common sense not to leave purses or valuables in plain sight in a car.

So it was in the glove box, then, yeah?

busyliving wrote: »

Should the parents not have been arrested for obstructing justice

Should the OAP be arrested for asking for leniency for his attackers?

=-=

Hitler was a gent who knew how to get rid of those he perceived as scum.

If you could gas all the scumbags in Limerick, would you?

Stark · 14-10-2011 11:10AM

Leftist wrote: »

In the same analogy, should all countries reject defensive measurements because it's 'not their fault if someone else invades them'
Ridiculous.

I would consider locking people up who go around attacking people to be a valid defensive measure.

Monty Burnz · 14-10-2011 11:12AM

Leftist wrote: »

No, I don't. Although it has happened it is irrelevant.

Speaking about subjects through raw emotion, such as anger, is not rationalised.

You were beaten up by one of the marginalized? Did you try to reason with him?

Did you point out that he was not acting in the best interests of society?

14-10-2011 11:13AM

Leftist wrote: »

Well then your mind is broken, sorry. Doesn't say anything of the sort, don't leave your valuables in sight, any Garda would tell you that, do you think they beleive robbery is fine?

Omg I'm outraged etc.

Come on.

Stark - yes. Eggs-actly. Understand things to see why it happens.
In the same analogy, should all countries reject defensive measurements because it's 'not their fault if someone else invades them'
Ridiculous.

Your logic is completely flawed.

When you say "They don't break up cars for no reason"

Then you have indicate they have a reason.

You further this by giving the reason "leaving valuables in plain site". Which I pointed out results in a victimisation. So you are justifying their actions and saying the victim is at fault. Any way you choose to mince your words now, thats what you said, and I demonstrated this as you requested.

I'm not with the OMG brigade. I outlined a personal experience and the effect this had. You are flippant about the victims in this instance and I wanted to correct your lack of understanding.

Frank Black · 14-10-2011 11:13AM

65 year old mad woman tries to stop ESB chopping down trees on her land - judge sends her to jail for contempt.

Young scumbags beat up man in his 70's - judge playfully ruffles their hair and tells the little scamps to be more careful in future.

You gotta love this country.

Irish Guitarist · 14-10-2011 12:11PM

They should have been locked up whether the man wanted them to be or not. They'll more than likely go and attack someone else.

mickydoomsux · 14-10-2011 12:21PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

They should have been locked up whether the man wanted them to be or not. They'll more than likely go and attack someone else.

Indeed. How will that judge feel if the next time they attack someone the end up maiming or killing them?

We need a far less liberal ideals centered justice system. Build more prisons and load the ****ers up. The vast majority of these guys are beyond rehabilitation so we're spending millions pissing against the wind with the current manner in which things are run.

Lock them up and keep them away from decent people.

sensibleken · 14-10-2011 12:24PM

black francis wrote: »

65 year old mad woman tries to stop ESB chopping down trees on her land - judge sends her to jail for contempt.

Young scumbags beat up man in his 70's - judge playfully ruffles their hair and tells the little scamps to be more careful in future.

You gotta love this country.

+100

spend a day in court and you wouldnt believe the type of scumbags they let out on 'suspended sentences'. I know from experience some of these guys have 20+ previous convictions and thats not counting the 90% they didn't get caught doing.

but the judiciary live in a different world. your one went to jail for contempt of court, in their world insulting the court is worse than beating up a pensioner

Leftist · 14-10-2011 12:28PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

You were beaten up by one of the marginalized? Did you try to reason with him? Did you point out that he was not acting in the best interests of society?

What planet are you on pal? why would you do that if you're being attacked?

Deleted User wrote: »

Your logic is completely flawed.

When you say "They don't break up cars for no reason"

Then you have indicate they have a reason.

You further this by giving the reason "leaving valuables in plain site". Which I pointed out results in a victimisation. So you are justifying their actions and saying the victim is at fault. Any way you choose to mince your words now, thats what you said, and I demonstrated this as you requested.

I'm not with the OMG brigade. I outlined a personal experience and the effect this had. You are flippant about the victims in this instance and I wanted to correct your lack of understanding.

Wrong. You're just repeating yourself to bring it to life.
You don't leave valuable's in plain sight because it's daft. Simple as that. But in the middle of dublin city north side for example. parking on the quays, and leaving a briefcase or purse on a seat? Not your fault if it's stolen but it's asking for trouble.

And yes, they don't break into cars for no reason, how it's that contradicting anythign? they break into cars for money or to sell for money.

The long term question is, why do they go to these desperate lengths?

Leftist · 14-10-2011 12:29PM

Stark wrote: »

I would consider locking people up who go around attacking people to be a valid defensive measure.

Makes sense, who's arguing?

mcmoustache · 14-10-2011 12:31PM

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Yep, we can throw them into all the virtually empty prisons we have......oh........wait

Who said anything about prison?

Monty Burnz · 14-10-2011 12:31PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Is this the same as the way that women shouldn't wear short skirts and that they are partially to blame when a man desperate for sex rapes them?

Leftist, would you like to address this point where you blamed people for leaving their valuables visible in the car for smash and grab robberies?

Leftist · 14-10-2011 12:38PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Leftist, would you like to address this point where you blamed people for leaving their valuables visible in the car for smash and grab robberies?

No because it's cheap and stupid. You cannot compare grabbing purse to the life crippling act of rape.

For christ sake it's like talking to the hysterical customers of a hair salon.

Spacedog · 14-10-2011 12:40PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Leftist, would you like to address this point where you blamed people for leaving their valuables visible in the car for smash and grab robberies?

Try copy/pasting your statement into a fresh thread on the ladies lounge and see what response you get.

Monty Burnz · 14-10-2011 12:42PM

Spacedog wrote: »

Try copy/pasting your statement into a fresh thread on the ladies lounge and see what response you get.

I think you will find that it was Leftist who was blaming the victim for showing off the merchandise, not me.

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