Guns N' Roses Discussion Thread

Mental Mickey · 12-10-2011 10:52AM

RonMexico wrote: »

After the Dublin farce I'm never going to see him again unless it is the original line-up and they have being putting in reliable shows.
Have defended him no-end in the past but I think he is getting worse with every tour in terms of his unprofessional attitude. He is clearly not in shape and you can tell by his voice.

Never gonna happen. You need Slash to make the original line-up complete, and himself and Axl do not speak to each other anymore.

Mental Mickey · 12-10-2011 10:53AM

Furious-Red wrote: »

I actually think MCD were in a bit of a pickle with that gig. Due to the fact technically Axel and his friends did fulfill their contract (playing a gig on the night) . I no it was a disgrace on the way people were dealt with by staff etc but if Axel had not performed then people would have gotten there money back because MCD could sue him , but i think because he did perform to a half empty arena they cant do anything. However i dont see any promoter MCD/Aiken bringing them back anytime soon

They forced them to play the gig so they would not have to refund money to the punters.

lord lucan · 12-10-2011 12:05PM

RayCon wrote: »

I think it was Descartes, while working on Meditations on First Philosophy, once said ... "what the fU.ck was that sh!te" ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-TS6nT3BIk

I've been reading this thread on my phone over the last few days whilst on hols and vowed not to post in any more GN'R threads but i have to comment on this vid. It's embarrassing,like a bad GN'R tribute band. Actually,i've seen better GN'R tribute bands over the years. Axl is looking more like the 2002 Axl,carrying a few pounds and with a terrible voice. I suspect this US tour could be car crash tv.

Itssoeasy · 12-10-2011 02:44PM

Speaking of car crash tv LL. The appetite line up of GNR have been nominated for the 2012 RnR hall of fame. That could and probably will be a utter disaster if they get there.

lord lucan · 12-10-2011 03:17PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Speaking of car crash tv LL. The appetite line up of GNR have been nominated for the 2012 RnR hall of fame. That could and probably will be a utter disaster if they get there.

Up until a couple of years ago i'd have paid any money to see the AFD line-up but now i think it should be left be. If they were inducted to the R&R HoF i think it would be best if they just accepted it without performing as a band. I honestly don't believe the will or love is there and there's nothing worse in R&R than contrived or forced performances.

RayCon · 12-10-2011 04:23PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The appetite line up of GNR have been nominated for the 2012 RnR hall of fame.

*Dismay* ... and still Rush get blanked ever year .... *shakes head with bewilderment*

iroced · 12-10-2011 05:58PM

From everything I've seen in the past couple of years, G'N'R is not a band anymore. it's a sum of good/great musicians. That's it. That's all. There's no real alchemy between them. It sounds "cold". The last album is actually a good example of that. Over worked. Over produced. Over played. Over everything. Axl tried much too hard to get out the perfect album by retouching it 1000 of times. In the end, as good as it sounds and could be from time to time, it lacks creativity freshness.
Then, adding to that the last Irish "joke" concert... welll "rolling eyes".

Motley Crue · 13-10-2011 08:27AM

lord lucan wrote: »

Up until a couple of years ago i'd have paid any money to see the AFD line-up but now i think it should be left be. If they were inducted to the R&R HoF i think it would be best if they just accepted it without performing as a band. I honestly don't believe the will or love is there and there's nothing worse in R&R than contrived or forced performances.

The only real problem in that line up is the Axl and Slash thing. From what I gather Izzy, Duff and Steven have all made some sort of peace with Axl (two of them even performed on stage with him and Steven would perform on stage with Axl if he was allowed...) so there's this thing between Axl and Slash - which could be solved by a conversation really - if not for the sake of the fact they could sell the DVD of the awards ceremony and make a small fortune if they all performed together.

The last thing I want, and what I would consider more of an insult, is a situation like Van Halen's induction which was a complete joke and an insult to that band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf9eTL9NH0Q

Only Michael Anthony and Sammy Hager turned up, nothing of which represents the line up now, and Velvet Revolver performed Van Halen covers in tribute....I know Eddie was in rehab, and I like Michael's acceptance speech, but this is NOT Van Halen

Mental Mickey · 13-10-2011 08:30AM

Motley Crue wrote: »

The only real problem in that line up is the Axl and Slash thing. From what I gather Izzy, Duff and Steven have all made some sort of peace with Axl (two of them even performed on stage with him and Steven would perform on stage with Axl if he was allowed...) so there's this thing between Axl and Slash - which could be solved by a conversation really - if not for the sake of the fact they could sell the DVD of the awards ceremony and make a small fortune if they all performed together.

The last thing I want, and what I would consider more of an insult, is a situation like Van Halen's induction which was a complete joke and an insult to that band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf9eTL9NH0Q

Only Michael Anthony and Sammy Hager turned up, nothing of which represents the line up now, and Velvet Revolver performed Van Halen covers in tribute....I know Eddie was in rehab, and I like Michael's acceptance speech, but this is NOT Van Halen

Not a chance of them ever speaking to each other again. If someone branded you a "cancer" would you speak to them again??

ozzy jr · 14-10-2011 09:50AM

They'll play again when they're offered crazy money, it's just matter of when.

Batigol · 14-10-2011 10:00AM

Mental Mickey wrote: »

They forced them to play the gig so they would not have to refund money to the punters.

I sent an application to the SCC the day after that joke of a gig and the following week I had a cheque from MCD refunding my two tickets.

Staff told me it was over and to leave no mention that they would come back on was my reason in the application

Mental Mickey · 14-10-2011 10:16AM

Batigol wrote: »

I sent an application to the SCC the day after that joke of a gig and the following week I had a cheque from MCD refunding my two tickets.

Staff told me it was over and to leave no mention that they would come back on was my reason in the application

MCD actually paid you money!!!!??? Wow!

Concert promoters should refuse point blank to work with this guy, imo.

RonMexico · 14-10-2011 02:19PM

Pity he didn't handle the Dublin gig like this. At their gig in Argentina this week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEaYHwH80ys

Also look at the difference between this performance of Jungle versus Rio, all because he couldn't be arsed warming up properly for the first gig of the tour.

RayCon · 14-10-2011 03:34PM

RonMexico wrote: »

Pity he didn't handle the Dublin gig like this. At their gig in Argentina this week.
Also look at the difference between this performance of Jungle versus Rio, all because he couldn't be arsed warming up properly for the first gig of the tour.

Wow that was actually ...... average.

lord lucan · 15-10-2011 01:13AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Speaking of car crash tv LL. The appetite line up of GNR have been nominated for the 2012 RnR hall of fame. That could and probably will be a utter disaster if they get there.

Slightly off topic but here's an online poll from the R&RHOF. Chili's are currently ahead.:eek:

http://rockhall.com/get-involved/interact/poll/

Hannibal · 16-10-2011 01:56AM

Riddle101 wrote: »

They're just Axl and friends now, right;)

Although I do like DJ Ashba and Bumblefoot, and think they're just as good as orginal line up.

They're just as good??
They're not even close to Slash and Izzy, originality has to count. GN'R's most famous songs and guitar work came from Slash and Izzy's riffs and solo's not people covering their work..
November Rain for example only has Axl down as writer, yet Slash wrote the guitar solo's that effectively made the song what it is and Axl was too big headed to let him recieve any royalties for it

RonMexico · 17-10-2011 11:04AM

Never thought that Axl could talk about Slash without foaming at the mouth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g30G_XPPVY0

lord lucan · 17-10-2011 03:01PM

RonMexico wrote: »

Never thought that Axl could talk about Slash without foaming at the mouth.

Laying the groundwork for a reunion!:pac:

And he's read Slash's book too!

Off I go to the Conspiracy Theory forums

Motley Crue · 17-10-2011 03:27PM

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Not a chance of them ever speaking to each other again. If someone branded you a "cancer" would you speak to them again??

I think there are plenty of examples throughout the world, written on paper, where mere mortals in position of power have made statements along the lines of "I wouldn't be sad if he died in a car crash" or "I hope he burns in hell" and then a few weeks, months, years or decades later have stepped out on stage with each other

Pink Floyd reunited, David Lee Roth played with the Van Halen brothers again, Cream and The Faces reunited after decades apart and even Cliff Richard buried the hatchet with The Shadows (or the other way around, I don't know!)

The point is, it can be done! As long as they're all alive, that is the only condition that needs to be met

Motley Crue · 17-10-2011 03:29PM

RonMexico wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g30G_XPPVY0

I like this video, it proves one thing, that there is no shouting and no attacking behaviour. You see - he can be nice and happy and greet fans and shake hands. That is the kind of Axl Rose I want to see all the time.

lord lucan · 23-10-2011 11:55PM

Yes,i'm a child but this gave me a giggle.:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb2RRnXKtJE

RVD420 · 24-10-2011 12:40AM

Motley Crue wrote: »

I like this video, it proves one thing, that there is no shouting and no attacking behaviour. You see - he can be nice and happy and greet fans and shake hands. That is the kind of Axl Rose I want to see all the time.

Agreed. Nice by Axl though, in fairness. There's a part of me that hopes they don't win the RNRHOF award, cos (imo) reuniting the original GNR is just gonna wipe out all the work done by NewGNR. And if origianal GNR reunite, it's only gonna be a matter of time before they throw the toys outta the pram again, and then GNR, in any of it's forms, will be dead.....

Motley Crue · 24-10-2011 01:39PM

lord lucan wrote: »

Yes,i'm a child but this gave me a giggle.:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb2RRnXKtJE

That makes me laugh, surprising that he was able to just get up and shake it off. He seems to be a lot happier these days then he used to be. He also seems to like touring Mexico and the fans there actually adore 80s rock bands even more then the South Americans

I remember poor Steven Adler was on the radio in Mexico once, being interviewed, and he was asking if he could use the phone to call Izzy Stradlin before he forgot, and I just remembering feeling so sorry for that poor guy cause sometimes he just gets so lost in his addictions.

RonMexico · 25-10-2011 03:04PM

RVD420 wrote: »

Agreed. Nice by Axl though, in fairness. There's a part of me that hopes they don't win the RNRHOF award, cos (imo) reuniting the original GNR is just gonna wipe out all the work done by NewGNR. And if origianal GNR reunite, it's only gonna be a matter of time before they throw the toys outta the pram again, and then GNR, in any of it's forms, will be dead.....

- One sub-par album vs All the classic siongs that they cover from the original band.

nyarlothothep · 25-10-2011 07:03PM

Has anyone see the video with Axl in a thong and some random dude tries to have surprise butt sex with him on stage before being taken off by security? It was very wtf is happening?!

lord lucan · 25-10-2011 07:12PM

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Has anyone see the video with Axl in a thong and some random dude tries to have surprise butt sex with him on stage before being taken off by security? It was very wtf is happening?!

Is this the one? Rock in Rio 1991 iirc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D29JQx3iY_g

nyarlothothep · 25-10-2011 07:57PM

lord lucan wrote: »

Is this the one? Rock in Rio 1991 iirc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D29JQx3iY_g

LOL yeah, its ridiculous. Now the whole shorts thing was I dunno, maybe Axl thought he could look like he was into sports, but the sumo wrestler underwear, what was he thinking?!

rednik · 25-10-2011 09:48PM

Deja Vu

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/axl-rose-halts-concert/

Motley Crue · 26-10-2011 07:31AM

rednik wrote: »

Deja Vu

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/axl-rose-halts-concert/

the city of Monterrey, Mexico, fined the concert’s organizers $870

That's loose change for Axl, or anyone associated with him, it's about as pointless as the time the city of Dublin fined Slash personally for smoking indoors during a Velvet Revolver gig

And at least at this gig he continued performing to a manner of which the audience were accustomed, and they all went home completely satisfied. Oh and the promoters weren't dickheads. What? Too soon

jack presley · 26-10-2011 07:45PM

Motley Crue wrote: »

The two and a half hour show played to rave reviews

I'd prefer a 1 hour forty show where the singer stayed on stage the whole time and didn't bugger off for 'oxygen breaks' after every second song leaving the rest of the band to play a boring solo to fill the time.

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