The American dream, imported.

Jimmy Garlic · 07-10-2011 05:30AM #1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q

Ireland in a nutshell.

stoneill · 07-10-2011 06:20AM

Ireland or rather Irish people are too passive to do anything about the situation.

Example:
France, attempt to raise retirement to 60, riots in the streets.
Ireland, actual retirement raised to 67, nothing.

Greece, austerity measures on working class to bail out banks, riots.
Ireland, austerity measures on working class to bail out banks, nothing.

USA - Head of financial institutions arrested and put in prison.
Ireland - Head of financial institutions given huge bonuses and allowed to retire with large pensions.

After a mere 70 years we have lost our sovereignty, nothing happened.

This week alone the energy companies have hiked up the prices of gas and electricity even though the price of oil has dropped.

Mortage interest rates have gone up (EBS customers will know this).
Insurance rates have increased.

The working class are getting squeezed more and more, and still nothing happens.

Jimmy Garlic · 07-10-2011 06:29AM

stoneill wrote: »

The working class are getting squeezed more and more, and still nothing happens.

We have allowed a club to establish itself and play a one sided game. They sh1t all over this county and invoke patriotism if suits the agenda. The political class is willing servent to the banker class. They both shower manna on their cronies lower down the ladder.

Oranage2 · 07-10-2011 06:31AM

It seems like only the unemployed have all the answers and I say this cause when I was unemployed for a period I got into this take down the system and conspiricy stuff. But as soon as I got a job I didnt care anymore.

But you have to ask yourself a question - Now that you know whats wrong with the system what are you doing about it? probably nothing!

Jimmy Garlic · 07-10-2011 07:00AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

It seems like only the unemployed have all the answers and I say this cause when I was unemployed for a period I got into this take down the system and conspiricy stuff. But as soon as I got a job I didnt care anymore.

But you have to ask yourself a question - Now that you know whats wrong with the system what are you doing about it? probably nothing!

What's your point exactly, only the unemployed are pissed off?.. You are trying to set up a strawman.

The 'system' in this country stinks like an open sewer.. It doesn't matter if you are employed or unemployed, it smells the same either way.

People en masse will do something about it when the stink becomes overwhelming.

Oranage2 · 07-10-2011 07:05AM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

What's your point exactly, only the unemployed are pissed off?.. You are trying to set up a strawman.

The 'system' in this country stinks like an open sewer.. It doesn't matter if you are employed or unemployed, it smells the same either way.

People will do something about it when the stink becomes overwhelming.

I'm saying there are obvious problems but what are you doing about it.

Jimmy Garlic · 07-10-2011 07:15AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'm saying there are obvious problems but what are you doing about it.

Plenty, you?.

Oranage2 · 07-10-2011 07:43AM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Plenty, you?.

Nothing - I went to the budget day protest thats about the extent of it.

I wish I could do something but everything is pretty pointless.

books4sale · 07-10-2011 08:05AM

Americans like to clap and talk a lot but that's cheap, action's what counts.

10 years of money has made irish lazy, those with the smarts and could help are long gone.....got the whiff of that sewer long before the cover blew off. Course the rest had their snouts stuck so deep in the trough they could only smell the stink of their own a$$ $h*t. Someday they're gonna pull their snouts from that trough and find the air ain't so pretty no more.

What today's Ireland is stuck with are the dregs, the lazy couch slouching dregs who take no less than money for nothin', happy days!

Dregs definition
1. The remnants of a liquid left in a container, together with any sediment or grounds.
2. The most worthless part or parts of something.

super_furry · 07-10-2011 08:15AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8LE69g9lI0

This one's better.

Jimmy Garlic · 07-10-2011 09:42AM

super_furry wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8LE69g9lI0

This one's better.

This has more tact

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqUipinDyw

The next few weeks will be interesting (and no, I am not talking about the clown competition president joke)

markesmith · 07-10-2011 11:12AM

books4sale wrote: »

What today's Ireland is stuck with are the dregs, the lazy couch slouching dregs who take no less than money for nothin', happy days!

Give over. What a lazy generalisation.

Jimmy Garlic · 07-10-2011 11:53AM

markesmith wrote: »

Give over. What a lazy generalisation.

Stock and trade of agents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M_cBkTw8Qg

wild_cat · 07-10-2011 11:59AM

books4sale wrote: »

Americans like to clap and talk a lot but that's cheap, action's what counts.

I don't think your average American is a George Carlin fan.

books4sale · 07-10-2011 12:18PM

markesmith wrote: »

Give over. What a lazy generalisation.

:D

Gotcha..hook ..line...sinker!

Another good days fishing.

:cool:

07-10-2011 12:29PM

Ah I thought this was gonna be about that thing where you push in on someone's chest until they pass out, the real American Dream...

4leto · 07-10-2011 12:48PM

The vid is a total moronic rant, the chap is a paranoid idiot who hasn't a clue about economics.

Jimmy Garlic · 14-10-2011 07:58AM

4leto wrote: »

The vid is a total moronic rant, the chap is a paranoid idiot who hasn't a clue about economics.

Seeing as you seem to be clued in on economics.. Tell us how it works. Refute Carlin.

Wibbs · 14-10-2011 09:48AM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Seeing as you seem to be clued in on economics.. Tell us how it works. Refute Carlin.

+1, although a product of the 60's counterculture and exaggerated for effect, he makes quite a bit of sense. When you see many many people sitting in cubicles at the new coal face, paying off mortgages at rates that would make the most immoral usurer blush, when you see the financial system, the very system that got the world into shíte in the first place, advising politicians he doesn't look too "paranoid" or "moronic".

AlmightyCushion · 14-10-2011 10:06AM

Wibbs wrote: »

+1, although a product of the 60's counterculture and exaggerated for effect, he makes quite a bit of sense. When you see many many people sitting in cubicles at the new coal face, paying off mortgages at rates that would make the most immoral usurer blush, when you see the financial system, the very system that got the world into shíte in the first place, advising politicians he doesn't look too "paranoid" or "moronic".

He is saying that politicians don't do anything and that big companies are in charge of and are controlling everything and that they are suppressing education to stop people figuring it out. That is paranoid and moronic. It's the same as all this illuminati or bilderburg group nonsense.

Jimmy Garlic · 14-10-2011 10:08AM

Wibbs wrote: »

+1, although a product of the 60's counterculture and exaggerated for effect, he makes quite a bit of sense. When you see many many people sitting in cubicles at the new coal face, paying off mortgages at rates that would make the most immoral usurer blush, when you see the financial system, the very system that got the world into shíte in the first place, advising politicians he doesn't look too "paranoid" or "moronic".

It has always been that way, the velvet glove has come off the iron fist and everybody is ripe. I hug no trees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f0GStBCeUU

14-10-2011 10:26AM

Maybe they who are critical about the rant should recommend something else to look up or read, maybe something form the ted talks or the like, that presents a different point of view.

Wibbs · 14-10-2011 10:27AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

He is saying that politicians don't do anything and that big companies are in charge of and are controlling everything and that they are suppressing education to stop people figuring it out. That is paranoid and moronic. It's the same as all this illuminati or bilderburg group nonsense.

Oh I'm no "it's the lizards you know" eejit. However I would be someone who believes that politics and policies, especially in the US is heavily influenced by interest groups to further their own ends. It's not a conspiracy, it's not that organised and often different interest groups are at odds, but there is an unhealthy amount of influence nonetheless.

Orando Broom · 14-10-2011 10:28AM

stoneill wrote: »

Ireland or rather Irish people are too passive to do anything about the situation.

Example:
France, attempt to raise retirement to 60, riots in the streets.
Ireland, actual retirement raised to 67, nothing.

Greece, austerity measures on working class to bail out banks, riots.
Ireland, austerity measures on working class to bail out banks, nothing.

USA - Head of financial institutions arrested and put in prison.
Ireland - Head of financial institutions given huge bonuses and allowed to retire with large pensions.

After a mere 70 years we have lost our sovereignty, nothing happened.

This week alone the energy companies have hiked up the prices of gas and electricity even though the price of oil has dropped.

Mortage interest rates have gone up (EBS customers will know this).
Insurance rates have increased.

The working class are getting squeezed more and more, and still nothing happens.

Interesting. How much has the rioting and mob behaviour clawed back for Greece and France? I presume thank to the riots both countries are now back in the black.

AlmightyCushion · 14-10-2011 10:33AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Oh I'm no "it's the lizards you know" eejit. However I would be someone who believes that politics and policies, especially in the US is heavily influenced by interest groups to further their own ends. It's not a conspiracy, it's not that organised and often different interest groups are at odds, but there is an unhealthy amount of influence nonetheless.

Oh yeah, lobby groups do have some influence, how much I don't know but there is a big difference between what you are saying (completely sane) and what he is saying (down right stupid).

Jimmy Garlic · 14-10-2011 10:36AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFIRTtn_ZSE

Orando Broom · 14-10-2011 10:38AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

He is saying that politicians don't do anything and that big companies are in charge of and are controlling everything and that they are suppressing education to stop people figuring it out. That is paranoid and moronic. It's the same as all this illuminati or bilderburg group nonsense.

A lot of Carlin's et all stuff is based on the premise that people, the ordinary joe, whatever you call them CAN'T access education and CAN'T better themselves. The salient point is millions WON'T and DON't want to educate themselves and better themselves. Personal choice has been rubbed out of the narrative (by both sides) on the current economic climate. I never saw roving gangs of securitate rounding up helpless workers and giveing them unwanted mortgages. I didn't see see the sheep being rounded up and forced to take Eircom shares. People, individuals have to start accepting their role and responsibility in the crisis. They bought into the hype; their hubris and avarice stoked the fires of all the bubbles across the world. There is no grand government conspiracy to keep the people down. Trust em governments would like if everyone in their country could own the two houses and the BMW, elections would be a lot easier fought. Everybody, from G.W Bush down to the poorest beggar on the streets of Monrovia wants a handy number. Nobody actively seeks hassle.

One other point; I see all this guff about coalfaces and cubicles. What utter bollix. There were no 'lols' and After Hours down a coal seam, just a 10 hour shift in a chamber 18 to 20 inches high by two foot wide one hundred yards long, lying on your belly in a pool of water that was seeping through the bed rock above you whilst holding a hundred weight drill that was churning up coal dust that would ultimately take ten to fifteen years off your life expectancy.

14-10-2011 11:11AM

Your are missing a very big point that he and others like him make, Why do you believe consumerism and what are middle class values are the best, why do think " bettering yourself " is better and something to aspire to.
Many people are happy to be working class and feel proud of there background for example.

Jimmy Garlic · 14-10-2011 11:12AM

Orando Broom wrote: »

A lot of Carlin's et all stuff is based on the premise that people, the ordinary joe, whatever you call them CAN'T access education and CAN'T better themselves. The salient point is millions WON'T and DON't want to educate themselves and better themselves. Personal choice has been rubbed out of the narrative (by both sides) on the current economic climate. I never saw roving gangs of securitate rounding up helpless workers and giveing them unwanted mortgages. I didn't see see the sheep being rounded up and forced to take Eircom shares. People, individuals have to start accepting their role and responsibility in the crisis. They bought into the hype; their hubris and avarice stoked the fires of all the bubbles across the world. There is no grand government conspiracy to keep the people down. Trust em governments would like if everyone in their country could own the two houses and the BMW, elections would be a lot easier fought. Everybody, from G.W Bush down to the poorest beggar on the streets of Monrovia wants a handy number. Nobody actively seeks hassle.

One other point; I see all this guff about coalfaces and cubicles. What utter bollix. There were no 'lols' and After Hours down a coal seam, just a 10 hour shift in a chamber 18 to 20 inches high by two foot wide one hundred yards long, lying on your belly in a pool of water that was seeping through the bed rock above you whilst holding a hundred weight drill that was churning up coal dust that would ultimately take ten to fifteen years off your life expectancy.

Isn't that the eugenical point of view?.. A 'fu*k them, they are not with the system' point of view?. You were never on the face of any mine. I would be surprised if you could heat beans in a microwave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH-a22xge-c

ejmaztec · 14-10-2011 11:27AM

mariaalice wrote: »

Your are missing a very big point that he and others like him make, Why do you believe consumerism and what are middle class values are the best, why do think " bettering yourself " is better and something to aspire to.
Many people are happy to be working class and feel proud of there background for example.

I think that people "happy to be working class" aren't particularly happy, and only express this "happiness" to cover up the fact that they didn't advance beyond it.

Ireland would still be full of illiterate peasants if all of those happy ancestors had no wish for advancement..

Latchy · 14-10-2011 11:58AM

ejmaztec wrote: »

I think that people "happy to be working class" aren't particularly happy, and only express this "happiness" to cover up the fact that they didn't advance beyond it.

Rose tinted glasses aside , many who do advance byond it are proud of their roots while many others are the worst kind of pretentious snobs ..

The American dream, imported.

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