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The ESB And Eirgrid can go f*ck themselves - Merge

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  • #482
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    loremolis wrote: »
    There are 7,000 people workingemployed in the ESB.

    They've got to have something for them to do.

    Why not extend the line by a few kilometers, particularlty when the planning, construction and costings of new transmission lines are unregulated.

    Poor logic. (See below)
    Chuck Stone wrote: »

    Let's just say it is #2 i.e. they want to create work and fleece the tax-payer.

    This is a fanciful notion because why on earth would they allow this woman to rumble their devious plan? Why not add yet more distance and go around her farm adding yet more work for the lads?


  • #483
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    loremolis wrote: »
    There are 7,000 people workingemployed in the ESB.

    They've got to have something for them to do.
    You know that external contractors do a lot of this work, right?


  • #484
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,414 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Unfortunately the ESB didn't complete their power line construction while the lady was in prison. Now there's a half way situation where some work has been done and now she is out no one gets any satisfaction.


  • #485
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    How this story isn't been made a big deal shows how sleep like we have become in this country. We will idly stand by and watch an old woman being imprisoned to protect her land. I thought we had moved on from that.

    Absolutely shocking story, ESB Networks, Eirgrid and our courts should be ashamed of themselves.
    booboo88 wrote: »
    Just thought I'd take the liberty to correct that for you

    Thought I'd too correct it for you - although I disagree with the sentiment.:p


  • #486
    yourpics
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭yourpics


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It costs more money to make and bury HV cables!

    i have placed u/g hv cables for 20K per km

    this consisted of 3 no. hv cables, copper earthing and fibre optics

    u/g cables require less maintenance as storms/high winds dont affect them


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  • #487
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    yourpics wrote: »
    i have placed u/g hv cables for 20K per km

    In what context? Did you have to meet the same standards as Eirgrid?


  • #488
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Do you know how much the ESB spend on weather damage every year?.

    Certainly do. Very little(<3M pa). UG Cables give endless and expensive faults that result in lots of loss of power to customers. Cable faults are common at all voltages. Please make sure you know what you're talking about in future!


  • #489
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    yourpics wrote: »
    i have placed u/g hv cables for 20K per km

    this consisted of 3 no. hv cables, copper earthing and fibre optics

    Bull. The material alone will cost most of that. What cable were you using? Reinstatement of land is a few K per km as well!


  • #490
    yourpics
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭yourpics


    Alexa Billions Pension wrote: »
    Bull. The material alone will cost most of that. What cable were you using? Reinstatement of land is a few K per km as well!

    I am referring to the cost of laying the cables and reinstatement.
    It is a given that they have to buy x amount of cable anyway.


  • #491
    yourpics
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭yourpics


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    In what context? Did you have to meet the same standards as Eirgrid?

    Have to meet higher standards than eirgrid, especially environmental standards.
    I never see the esb/eirgrid putting in check dams etc


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  • #492
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Alexa Billions Pension wrote: »
    Certainly do. Very little(<3M pa). UG Cables give endless and expensive faults that result in lots of loss of power to customers. Cable faults are common at all voltages. Please make sure you know what you're talking about in future!


    Very little, how little? as in figures.


  • #493
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    yourpics wrote: »
    Have to meet higher standards than eirgrid, especially environmental standards.
    I never see the esb/eirgrid putting in check dams etc

    How come you aren't contracting for the ESB if you can undercut their costs so dramatically? :confused:


  • #494
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Very little, how little? as in figures.

    The figure was <3m pa. Less than 3 million per annum.


  • #495
    yourpics
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭yourpics


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    How come you aren't contracting for the ESB if you can undercut their costs so dramatically? :confused:

    We do u/g cables, not poling contracts.


  • #496
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    yourpics wrote: »
    I am referring to the cost of laying the cables and reinstatement.
    It is a given that they have to buy x amount of cable anyway.

    That just proves you are bluffing. UG Cables are multiples of the price of OH. What Cables did you lay? Did your price include reinstatement? ESB are talking about total cost and not just labour?:rolleyes:

    UG also has easement problems as it can render some areas unsuitable for development.


  • #497
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    The figure was <3m pa. Less than 3 million per annum.


    Sorry, I meant as in a link.


  • #498
    yourpics
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭yourpics


    Alexa Billions Pension wrote: »
    That just proves you are bluffing. UG Cables are multiples of the price of OH. What Cables did you lay? Did your price include reinstatement? ESB are talking about total cost and not just labour?:rolleyes:

    UG also has easement problems as it can render some areas unsuitable for development.

    I know nothing about cable type or prices.

    The price of 20k per km is for:

    surveying and setting out including probing
    excavate trench including rock breaking
    lay cables
    reinstate (to landowners wishes)
    place cable markers
    construct joint pits etc
    repair/replace fencing


  • #499
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    yourpics wrote: »
    We do u/g cables, not poling contracts.

    Do you know the business at all? ESB use many contractors. Indeed poling contractors are a tiny portion of the construction contractors used. Contractors build HV Lines and Cables and supply full HV stations; for the past 10 years or more.

    If you could fully supply UG Circuits at 20k per km you'd be working for ESB day and night. It goes to tender regularly, so why aren't you in there?


  • #500
    yourpics
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭yourpics


    Alexa Billions Pension wrote: »
    Do you know the business at all? ESB use many contractors. Indeed poling contractors are a tiny portion of the construction contractors used. Contractors build HV Lines and Cables and supply full HV stations; for the past 10 years or more.

    If you could fully supply UG Circuits at 20k per km you'd be working for ESB day and night. It goes to tender regularly, so why aren't you in there?

    we do work for the esb in poor areas, foundations for angle masts etc


  • #501
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    yourpics wrote: »
    I know nothing about cable type or prices.

    Exactly. Point proven. You haven't a clue as to the cost of completing a UG HV circuit to commissiong compared to an OH line. :rolleyes:

    All you know is the glorified JCB work!


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  • #502
    Wetai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 773 ✭✭✭Wetai


    When I heard on the radio she was out, I thought "Yay". When they then mentioned her family allowed them to go ahead with the work, I thought "Awww...".


  • #503
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Sorry, I meant as in a link.

    Sorry, there has to be a public link for a point to be true? You claimed it was substantial - care to give a link to that?:)

    No offence but it's less than €3M on weather damage fault for each of 2009 and 2010


  • #504
    yourpics
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭yourpics


    Alexa Billions Pension wrote: »
    Exactly. Point proven. You haven't a clue as to the cost of completing a UG HV circuit to commissiong compared to an OH line. :rolleyes:

    All you know is the glorified JCB work!

    its not my job to price the actual cabling itself.
    if u/g can be done by private companies on wind farms then why cant the esb do it?


  • #505
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    yourpics wrote: »
    we do work for the esb in poor areas, foundations for angle masts etc

    Tuppence ha'penny stuff to be honest.


  • #506
    yourpics
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭yourpics


    Alexa Billions Pension wrote: »
    Tuppence ha'penny stuff to be honest.

    Sorry can you state your point in proper english please


  • #507
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Alexa Billions Pension wrote: »
    If you could fully supply UG Circuits at 20k per km you'd be working for ESB day and night. It goes to tender regularly, so why aren't you in there?

    20k per km underground, you wouldnt get the cable for that.


  • #508
    joela
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭joela


    Alexa Billions Pension wrote: »
    Exactly. Point proven. You haven't a clue as to the cost of completing a UG HV circuit to commissiong compared to an OH line. :rolleyes:

    All you know is the glorified JCB work!

    AH now that is a bit harsh, the poster did outline the work he does and I don't think meant to mislead anyone.

    Have you experience with ug cables? Interesting to hear your opinion as a professional in this particular situation? :)


  • #509
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    I wonder whether whatever support exists for her is because she's a old woman? Or because the benefit to the public of what she's obstructing is a bit obscure? If she were obstructing the building of the children's hospital, would people have as much sympathy, even though the principal is the same?

    How about if it was a 25-year-old man obstructing the building of the children's hospital? A 25-year-old unemployed man? A traveller?

    I wonder how the support would shift.


  • #510
    yourpics
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭yourpics


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    20k per km underground, you wouldnt get the cable for that.

    read through all the posts, doesnt include the cables themselves


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  • #511
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    yourpics wrote: »
    its not my job to price the actual cabling itself.
    if u/g can be done by private companies on wind farms then why cant the esb do it?

    :rolleyes:Good Lord! They do where it is feasible, cost effective and mandated by the environs. They lay plenty of UG for windfarms as well. The windfarm companies pay the cost of it in full . Just like you laying it when you are paid to do so.


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