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The ESB And Eirgrid can go f*ck themselves - Merge

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Delighted that Ms Treacy is free and sense has prevailed.

    I'd say most reasonable people are also happy she's free.
    Very brave of her to still be defiant.

    Obstinate and foolish, perhaps ill advised, I would say.
    The sheep in this country could take a leaf from her tree book

    If everyone took the same stance as her the cost of supplying electricity would likely be not worth it anywhere outside a city.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    If everyone took the same stance as her the cost of supplying electricity would likely be not worth supplying to anywhere outside a city.


    Or big companies would have to do the right thing and not the easy way out for them.

    Because lets face it, if we stood up for what we believed on a national stage, things would change. We wouldn't be sitting in our homes typing on the interweb by candle light. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    loremolis wrote: »
    There is over 10,000 km of overhead high and medium voltage electricity line in this country.

    You mention a few km in a city environment and that's supposed be a counter argument?

    I didnt say they couldn't do underground at all, I said they weren't equipped or manned to do it on a large scale.

    Keep thinking.

    But loremolis this is not ''underground on a large scale'' as you put it , so the ability to do '' a few km in a city'' more than qualifies them to do it in this instance.

    Might I ask you what you think is their motive for being so contrary ? Why in your view are they turning 20km into 32 km and all overground ?

    By the way it is unreasonable to keep demanding facts and figures but never providing any of your own. I think every poster on this thread regrets that this lady went to jail and all would love to see a compromise of some sort.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Or big companies would have to do the right thing and not the easy way out for them.

    Do you really think that having to fight this lady is the easy way out in this case?
    Because lets face it, if we stood up for what we believed on a national stage, things would change.

    Perhaps. I don't see how this relates to my response though.
    We wouldn't be sitting in our homes typing on the interweb by candle light. ;)

    Huh?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    loremolis wrote: »
    By turning a 20 km route into a 32 km route they've increased the cost of the line by another 50%.

    Do you have some evidence for this?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    loremolis wrote: »
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/woman-faces-jail-for-preventing-esb-access-to-her-property-519739.html

    Long version:
    Quote:
    An Offaly woman could be jailed over her continued refusal to comply with High Court orders allowing the ESB and Eirgrid access to her land to complete the construction of a power line.

    Today at the High Court the ESB and Eirgrid lodged contempt proceedings against Ms Teresa Treacy of Woodfield House, Clonmore, Tullamore.
    That's very interesting. I'm still waiting for proof for this claim...
    loremolis wrote: »
    The ESB brought a motion before the courts to have her imprisoned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Do you really think that having to fight this lady is the easy way out in this case?



    Perhaps. I don't see how this relates to my response though.



    Huh?


    Yes, if they concede to Ms Treacy, they'll have to do it every where. A precedent will be set for others to follow.

    If everyone took the same stance, things would change. We would not be sitting in our homes without power as you suggest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Or big companies would have to do the right thing and not the easy way out for them.
    The ESB, of all companies, bend over backwards to be ethical an fair in their dealings with the public. I have first hand experience of this in a different capacity.
    Because lets face it, if we stood up for what we believed on a national stage, things would change. We wouldn't be sitting in our homes typing on the interweb by candle light. ;)
    You know, we just might.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭loremolis


    loremolis wrote: »
    By turning a 20 km route into a 32 km route they've increased the cost of the line by another 50%.

    Do you have some evidence for this?

    The route and increased distance of the line was clearly shown on the primetime program on Tuesday. Still on RTE player.

    If you want to check it then the maps are online, Offaly co. co. Website.

    Based on the extra 10km or so, there would be about 50% of a cost increase between the shorter and longer route.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    loremolis wrote: »
    The route and increased distance of the line was clearly shown on the primetime program on Tuesday. Still on RTE player.

    If you want to check it then the maps are online, Offaly co. co. Website.

    Based on the extra 10km or so, there would be about 50% of a cost increase between the shorter and longer route.

    So you are now claiming that they extended the route an extra 12km just for a laugh? And that this isn't the cheapest, most efficient and least disruptive route possible?

    You know that they have professional engineers and surveyors who work on these routes for a living, right?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    The ESB, of all companies, bend over backwards to be ethical an fair in their dealings with the public. I have first hand experience of this in a different capacity.

    You know, we just might.

    May I ask in what capacity?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    May I ask in what capacity?

    I'd rather keep that private.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    I'd rather keep that private.


    Vested interest?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Vested interest?

    :confused:

    Yes, I sell huge pylons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,540 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    Or big companies would have to do the right thing and not the easy way out for them.

    Because lets face it, if we stood up for what we believed on a national stage, things would change. We wouldn't be sitting in our homes typing on the interweb by candle light. ;)

    Wrong!

    The ESB have stated that having power lines overhead is the most practical solution in terms of access in case of damage. Anybody can understand this I'm sure.

    Overhead lines can be fixed in a day or two. Underground lines can take weeks. So, overhead lines are cheaper to lay, maintain and repair. Therefore, far better for the customer and the ESB obviously.

    Now, I don't believe anyone wanted this woman to go to jail. She's not exactly dangerous or anything like that. But, she wanted to go, to prove her point, being the obstinate woman that she is. Now she has got her point across, not just to the ESB but the whole country. I suppose it wasn't her doing.
    With all the problems here, why don't we all focus on this womans few trees, (which will be re-planted). :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    :confused:

    Yes, I sell huge pylons.


    Business good these days?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Business good these days?

    It's buzzing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Wrong!

    The ESB have stated that having power lines overhead is the most practical solution in terms of access in case of damage. Anybody can understand this I'm sure.

    Overhead lines can be fixed in a day or two. Underground lines can take weeks. So, overhead lines are cheaper to lay, maintain and repair. Therefore, far better for the customer and the ESB obviously.


    Wrong, because the ESB says so? I see.

    In fact, once a cable is buried very little can go wrong with it, unless it is hit by someone digging etc.

    Great savings are to be hand as maintenance becomes less of an issue. Do you know how much the ESB spend on weather damage every year?

    This becomes nearly a non issue once lines are ran underground.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,540 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    It's buzzing.

    You must be ex-static.

    Sorry, I'm not trying to 'plug' your business.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    You must be ex-static.

    Sorry, I'm not trying to 'plug' your business.

    Put a sock (et) in it :P


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 472 ✭✭wee truck big driver


    Yes, if they concede to Ms Treacy, they'll have to do it every where. A precedent will be set for others to follow.

    If everyone took the same stance, things would change. We would not be sitting in our homes without power as you suggest.
    there would be power but only the rich could afford it people like ms. treacy with her 100 acre farm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    loremolis wrote: »
    The route and increased distance of the line was clearly shown on the primetime program on Tuesday. Still on RTE player.

    I just watched primetime and it isn't an as-the-crow-flies route but the direct route was not feasible due to dwellings and historical sites.

    So let's look at this.

    There is a direct as-the-crow-flies route and yet they decide to take an alternative route through multiple farms which is more expensive due to it's added length .

    Why would they choose this route which is more expensive than the as-the-crow-flies route in length of cable terms?

    1. Because it's the route of most consideration for dwellings and other sensitive sites

    2. Because they want to create work for those building it (you've suggested this)

    Let's just say it is #2 i.e. they want to create work and fleece the tax-payer.

    This is a fanciful notion because why on earth would they allow this woman to rumble their devious plan? Why not add yet more work and go around her farm adding yet more work for the lads?

    Logic fail.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    there would be power but only the rich could afford it people like ms. treacy with her 100 acre farm


    I'm guessing you don't know many farmers. Loads of them are struggling. Asset rich, cash poor mean anything to you? And even then a lot of their assets ain't worth a whole lot depending on location and accessibility.

    Like the begrudgery though, nice touch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,540 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    Wrong, because the ESB says so? I see.

    In fact, once a cable is buried very little can go wrong with it, unless it is hit by someone digging etc.

    Great savings are to be hand as maintenance becomes less of an issue. Do you know how much the ESB spend on weather damage every year?

    This becomes nearly a non issue once lines are ran underground.

    You're so right. Sure, what would they know? It's only a sideline business for them.

    FREE the Offaly One.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭loremolis


    That's very interesting. I'm still waiting for proof for this claim...


    Are you serious?

    Do you think that the ESB didn't know she would be imprisoned for contempt of court when they brought contempt of court proceedings.

    They knew exactly what they were doing i.e. having her jailed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    You're so right. Sure, what would they know? It's only a sideline business for them.

    FREE the Offaly One.


    They know how to make profit. Cheaper installations = profit. Long term investment = slower return

    Erm, she is free :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭loremolis


    The ESB, of all companies, bend over backwards to be ethical an fair in their dealings with the public. I have first hand experience of this in a different capacity.

    By ethical and fair you mean bullies and conmen of the highest order?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭loremolis


    So you are now claiming that they extended the route an extra 12km just for a laugh? And that this isn't the cheapest, most efficient and least disruptive route possible?

    You know that they have professional engineers and surveyors who work on these routes for a living, right?

    There are 7,000 people workingemployed in the ESB.

    They've got to have something for them to do.

    Why not extend the line by a few kilometers, particularlty when the planning, construction and costings of new transmission lines are unregulated.

    There are many fine people working in the ESB some professional, some not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Making up stuff and assuming stuff about a company (because you have a grudge against it - what did it do to you? Make you pay a few bills for a service you owe it for?) isn't the same as knowing about it.

    But I'll tell you where you're right though: those phone agents in there are on 80k a year... :rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Asset rich, cash poor mean anything to you? And even then a lot of their assets ain't worth a whole lot depending on location and accessibility.
    I'd rather be cash poor with 100 acres than cash poor without. What does an acre of farmland go for these days?
    However, here in Ireland, in the current year, estimates suggest that agricultural land values may have bottomed out or even increased.

    One report suggested that average prices for agricultural land increased by 9pc during the first half of this year to around €9,500/ac. Some industry commentators have attributed this recent rise to growth in agricultural production and the resulting expansion of farm holdings, as producers seek to capitalise on the recent rise in the values of farm produce.
    http://www.independent.ie/farming/property/nama-land-sales-offers-farmers-a-chance-to-expand-2894606.html

    So the average 100-acre farm is worth a million euros(ish).


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