Norris, more abuse of power

MMAIRELANDFAN · 03-10-2011 12:23PM

Lone Stone wrote: »

yawn.

I for one welcome our new gay over lord norris.

Looks like people are getting desperate to damage his image if its coming down to crap like this.

I disagree, not much is known about him apart from he is Gay and a bit of a pompous arrogant snob

Apart from that it's good that people get to know who is in the election and i welcome these relevations about all candidates

Then i can make an informed decision

Would people rather this was hidden under the carpet, surely not

Spread · 03-10-2011 12:28PM

Again using his Seanad influence to try and better his bedroon situation. Selfish satyr. Or is he collecting religious souveniers? Allah, Jesus, Budda I love you.

EGAR · 03-10-2011 12:28PM

I find this much much worse:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article7107319.ece

And no one gave a sh*te back then and probably still don't now that the Hobbit is no longer our esteemed leader.

siltirocker · 03-10-2011 12:30PM

I just can't see why people would vote for him. I haven't heard of a solid few reasons yet.

Michael D you've got the statesmen, human rights, encyclopedic knowledge of bills/laws/etc.

McGuinness you've got the peace process, great speaker, man of the people, etc.

And so on. . . what I've got from Norris is that he liked Ulysses, was part of supporting gay rights (I didn't say LGBT for a reason, as I believe his views on bi sexual & transgender people aren't nice), doesn't think when he speaks and is not a fan of consequences.

So I just don't get all this support. Did he do something major a couple of years back that I missed. Can someone point me in the right direction please? If I seem rude I apologise but I am just baffled. Anything would be appreciated.

Paparazzo · 03-10-2011 12:32PM

Morlar wrote: »

Replace Thailand with any other country where significant numbers of non eu/non national women, who are in relationships with Irish men, originate from, and who are equally seeking citizenship. Then try and argue that it would be a non story if Mitchell had done it.

Particularly as a non isolated instance of lobbying to advance personal, private interests.

Interesting that you replaced Algeria, a country that has thousands of legitimate refugees looking for asylum and changed it to Thailand, a country that has no refugee problem and is famous for it's sex trade.

cowzerp wrote: »

People defending Norris here will vote for him no matter what-there Obsessed with getting him in regardless of his abuses of position

If I had Thai girlfriend would he ask to get her an Irish passport for me?! No

Seems the anti norris brigade are the opposite. Hang him on everything he does without asking any questions.
He stood up in the Seanad and said he was his partner ffs!

Morlar · 03-10-2011 12:32PM

dvpower wrote: »

Yes. I'd object to your slurs wherever you use them.

Do you think its OK to describe someone as a 'fcukbuddy' when there is no evidence that he was? If not, why did you do it?

Yes I do, as this man was Norris' then sexual partner. Norris was again using his political position to advance personal interests - that gives the whole thing a sleazy dimension in my view.

In the case of politicians in general, all politicians in public life choose to place themselves in that arena and are all equally subject to the rigours that come with it.

David Norris is no exception or special case. I would feel exactly the same way if Mitchell had done this, particularly if he had form in this regard.

To give you an example there is currently a thread called something like 'Mary Davis needs a cripple'. I have no objection to that, however if it was a person not in public life & not standing in the Presidential election then I probably would. At the same time if, say for example, someone in a company abused their position to advance an employee they were in a sexual relationship with, subverting the normal process over others, then in that case I'd also use the word (fb) regardless of hetero/homo-sexual as there would also be a sleazy overall context to the behaviour of the individual doing the advancing.

squod · 03-10-2011 12:33PM

EGAR wrote: »

I find this much much worse:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article7107319.ece

And no one gave a sh*te back then and probably still don't now that the Hobbit is no longer our esteemed leader.

Paid off in puppy burgers I'd imagine.

Paparazzo · 03-10-2011 12:33PM

FloatingVoter wrote: »

Diverting to a serious topic - anybody else think Mary Davis is a ride ?

Rather cut my balls off

dvpower · 03-10-2011 12:37PM

dvpower wrote: »

Do you think its OK to describe someone as a 'fcukbuddy' when there is no evidence that he was?

Morlar wrote: »

Yes I do, as this man was Norris' then sexual partner. Norris was again using his political position to advance personal interests - that gives the whole thing a sleazy dimension in my view.

That's your 'evidence' that he was Norris' 'fcukbuddy'? That's it? Seriously?

This discussion is pointless.

hooradiation · 03-10-2011 12:41PM

gbee wrote: »

If one were to spend some time in the ladies lounge, one might get the impression that's all boys think GFs are for too ~~

That's really more of a reason never to go into the ladies lounge than anything else.

monkeybutter · 03-10-2011 12:45PM

It's no suprise that this is is big news in the indo, what a rag

Morlar · 03-10-2011 12:45PM

dvpower wrote: »

That's your 'evidence' that he was Norris' 'fcukbuddy'? That's it? Seriously?

This discussion is pointless.

I know ! Specially when there are all those 'My Boss Ate My Yogurt' threads that need reading.

Min · 03-10-2011 12:51PM

dvpower wrote: »

I think the point of the senate is to have a wider range of opinion expressed than the Dail; the members are drawn from a range of Irish society and are not so constrained by party whips.

I think its good that senators should talk about issues that effect them personally, and I'm quite sure that when Norris was using his position in the senate to lobby for homosexual law reform, there were people who accused him of using his position to lobby for his own personal causes.

[In general, I think Oireachtas members should shy away from lobbying on individual cases, be it an immigration case of someone known to them, or a medical card application for a constituent or a pothole in their constituency etc ..., but sadly this is the system we happen to have]

This was more than an individual case though, he was not representing a citizen of Ireland, he was using his position in the Seanad to have his lover kept in the country.
Hardly what parliamentary time is suppose to be used for.

Paparazzo · 03-10-2011 01:01PM

siltirocker wrote: »

I just can't see why people would vote for him. I haven't heard of a solid few reasons yet.

Michael D you've got the statesmen, human rights, encyclopedic knowledge of bills/laws/etc.

McGuinness you've got the peace process, great speaker, man of the people, etc.

And so on. . . what I've got from Norris is that he liked Ulysses, was part of supporting gay rights (I didn't say LGBT for a reason, as I believe his views on bi sexual & transgender people aren't nice), doesn't think when he speaks and is not a fan of consequences.

So I just don't get all this support. Did he do something major a couple of years back that I missed. Can someone point me in the right direction please? If I seem rude I apologise but I am just baffled. Anything would be appreciated.

Think you left out something about MMG. Something that most people have a problem with. Something a lot worse than standing up in the seanad and making a plea for a refugee that happens to be his partner.

SEPT 23 1989 · 03-10-2011 01:09PM

Paparazzo wrote: »

Think you left out something about MMG. Something that most people have a problem with. Something a lot worse than standing up in the seanad and making a plea for a refugee that happens to be his partner.

Something to do with being "involved" with an organisation who planted bombs in litter bins which murdered two innocent children

biko · 03-10-2011 01:13PM

cowzerp wrote: »

If I had Thai girlfriend would he ask to get her an Irish passport for me?! No

No, but you may approach your local TD/Senator and have them lobby the Seanad for you.
Wouldn't that be nice.

Nodin · 03-10-2011 01:16PM

Paparazzo wrote: »

Think you left out something about MMG. Something that most people have a problem with. Something a lot worse than standing up in the seanad and making a plea for a refugee that happens to be his partner.

The curly hair? Now thats just being nasty.

Captain Darling · 03-10-2011 01:29PM

Meh, at least the skeletons in his closet are metaphorical and he always recognised the Irish State as a legitimate body.

The whole presidential election and the position itself is a farce. I think we could do without it tbh.

woodoo · 03-10-2011 01:33PM

EGAR wrote: »

I find this much much worse:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article7107319.ece

And no one gave a sh*te back then and probably still don't now that the Hobbit is no longer our esteemed leader.

Also, how many here are giving out yards about Norris but think Noonan is the best thing since sliced bread even though he hounded that poor woman. Can you imagine the reaction if Norris had of done that.

IngazZagni · 03-10-2011 01:38PM

So I read the OP's post. He said it was "unreal". I read the quote, and then read it again and I'm still baffled as to what the issue is. What is the issue here that can be seen as a negative or for that matter positive article for Norris?

Freddie59 · 03-10-2011 01:39PM

Millicent wrote: »

To be fair, I've a problem with him pleading for clemency for Ezra Nawi as he committed a crime raped a 15 year-old. Pleading for asylum for people is not limited to David Norris -- countless politicians have done the same.

Let's call it for what it is please. As for the op - yes I would feel it a gross abuse of power.

Sonics2k · 03-10-2011 01:41PM

Morlar wrote: »

It looks like he was repeatedly using his position in Irish Political life to advance the interests of his private, personal life.

I think the lack of coverage of this in the wider Irish media is pretty interesting, compared to the days of last week before he was even a candidate when he was on the front page of every news site/paper/tv channel.

Because gosh, no other Politician has ever done that.

Sonics2k · 03-10-2011 01:42PM

Freddie59 wrote: »

Let's call it for what it is please. As for the op - yes I would feel it a gross abuse of power.

It was not rape.

Statutory assault was the charge. Please learn the f*cking difference!

IngazZagni · 03-10-2011 01:44PM

Freddie59 wrote: »

Let's call it for what it is please. As for the op - yes I would feel it a gross abuse of power.

And then you go and call it something it wasn't. :rolleyes:

Biggins · 03-10-2011 01:44PM

MMAIRELANDFAN wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/norris-made-seanad-plea-on-behalf-of-second-foreign-lover-2894088.html

This is unreal

No, its just more attemptive much raking from a paper that from day one has had it in for Norris even before the Nawi's name even emerged on the scene.
A lot of the readers comments added on the articles page reflect a lot of this feeling.
Its getting to be over-kill and people are more starting to kop-on!

Pherekydes · 03-10-2011 01:45PM

The most newsworthy aspect of this is that the Irish Independent, once an august Irish institution, has been reduced to trawling the tabloids for its news.

Freddie59 · 03-10-2011 01:46PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

It was not rape.

Statutory assault was the charge. Please learn the f*cking difference!

Are you really that blinkered? It was a fcuking 15 year-old FFS.

Freddie59 · 03-10-2011 01:46PM

IngazZagni wrote: »

And then you go and call it something it wasn't. :rolleyes:

More hair-splitting.:rolleyes:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/02/scandal-scuppers-gay-president

gbee · 03-10-2011 01:50PM

Freddie59 wrote: »

Are you really that blinkered? It was a fcuking 15 year-old FFS.

You'd do well to educate yourself on the relationship that existed between the two consenting partners ~ who brought the charges and what happened to the couple spanning their 12 year relationship.

The answers are in the thread.

dvpower · 03-10-2011 01:52PM

Min wrote: »

This was more than an individual case though, he was not representing a citizen of Ireland, he was using his position in the Seanad to have his lover kept in the country.
Hardly what parliamentary time is suppose to be used for.

You think Oireachtas members shouldn't represent non Irish nationals?

What level of relationship should exclude a person from representation? Lovers, family members, neighbours, people who live in the constituency?

People shouldn't be excluded from being represented because they have a personal relationship with an Oireachtas member and Norris did fully disclose the nature of the relationship (even if some here would dearly like to misrepresent it).

Norris, more abuse of power

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