Norris, more abuse of power

FloatingVoter · 03-10-2011 10:55AM

gk5000 wrote: »

Other politians make representations and lobby, but they don't make grandiose appeals on the floor of the senate or dail for their personal causes.

And besides, what has Norris as Senator done for the public this last 5,10, 20 years?

Well, if you happen to be a gay member of the public he was instrumental in legalising the right to be actively gay. Thats off the top of my head.
Oh, and he voted against the bank bailout. Didn't change anything - but it surely counts for something.

squod · 03-10-2011 10:56AM

Another boyfriend? Bearded gay lothario methinks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmMM6SedX3o

FloatingVoter wrote: »

Oh, and he voted against the bank bailout. Didn't change anything - but it surely counts for something.

Fair play to him for that.

StephenHendry · 03-10-2011 10:56AM

can't see the 'controversy' here or abuse of power, as others have said they all make representations, this is as bad as tubridy on the LLS asking norris continually about those letters ,

SEPT 23 1989 · 03-10-2011 10:56AM

Is this the best the Catholic Far Right can come up with?

Min · 03-10-2011 10:58AM

The sound track to the David Norris's campaign: he ain't heavy, he's my lover.

MMAIRELANDFAN · 03-10-2011 10:58AM

StephenHendry wrote: »

can't see the 'controversy' here or abuse of power, as others have said they all make representations, this is as bad as tubridy on the LLS asking norris continually about those letters ,

If he disclosed the contents of the letters then he would not need to answer any more questions

he is hiding something

Yahew · 03-10-2011 11:00AM

Merch wrote: »

So because it happens all the time, its ok
That doesnt make it ok, far from it. We should be stamping out the kind of lobbying on behalf of someone thats known attitude.

It may or may not be ok, actually. You would probably be ok with a form of clientelism, for instance, if a TD told a story about a constituent who was denied cancer treatment because of cut-backs. TD's often lobby behind the scenes, sometimes in public.

That said, even if you despise it and even if it is common, then it is not an issue for the presidential campaign; because all the candidates who have political records have done the same.

Some forces are obviously out to get Norris, a mixture of old school Catholicism, Fine Gaelism, and possibly the Shinners now. A motley crew.

There has to be a reason the headlines don't, today, say:

GAY MITCHELL MAKES PLEA FOR CONSTITUENT IN DAIL OUTRAGE!.

Even though he most certainly has.

Min · 03-10-2011 11:03AM

The Seanad seems to be a place where you talk about your lovers, how your lover helped kill someone, how a poet who has sex with Nepalese boys should be protected from RTE.

David Norris makes a good case for why the Seanad should go. He could simply come to boards.ie and discuss it but he wouldn't get paid for it.

meditraitor · 03-10-2011 11:04AM

Yahew wrote: »

Some forces are obviously out to get Norris, a mixture of old school Catholicism, Fine Gaelism, and possibly the Shinners now. A motley crew.
.

Slip a mention af FF in there and you have EVERYTHING that is/was wrong with Ireland in one bucket of piss....... (oh except motley crew, they rock!)

dvpower · 03-10-2011 11:06AM

Min wrote: »

The Seanad seems to be a place where you talk about your lovers, how your lover helped kill someone, how a poet who has sex with Nepalese boys should be protected from RTE.

You want to censor Oireachtas members?

Morlar · 03-10-2011 11:06AM

Yahew wrote: »

There has to be a reason the headlines don't, today, say:

GAY MITCHELL MAKES PLEA FOR CONSTITUENT IN DAIL OUTRAGE!.

Even though he most certainly has.

If it was a woman he was fcuking, who came from a non eu country (say Thailand) and he wanted her to get nationalised, & had used the senate floor to say something like :

My GF in the visitors' gallery demands to know who put a black mark against him her and what is that black mark.

"I want the officials in the department to know I will pursue this matter to the bitter end.

"Woe for them if they have behaved wrongly because if I cannot get an answer in the Oireachtas, I will make sure in the courts that I get an answer."

Then yes - that would be a newsworthy issue.

Especially if it was not an isolated instance.

squod · 03-10-2011 11:10AM

Yahew wrote: »

Some forces are obviously out to get Norris, a mixture of old school Catholicism, Fine Gaelism, and possibly the Shinners now. A motley crew.

Conspiracy theories

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Yahew wrote: »

There has to be a reason the headlines don't, today, say:

GAY MITCHELL MAKES PLEA FOR CONSTITUENT IN DAIL OUTRAGE!.

Even though he most certainly has.

Because Norris sells papers? DN rightly left the presidential race and struggled for nomination for the presidential election afterwards. No wonder people are talking. The reasons he left the presidential race are still valid. Yet elected representatives are still supporting him. That's the conspiracy if there is one IMO.

dvpower · 03-10-2011 11:12AM

Morlar wrote: »

If it was a woman he was fcuking, who came from a non eu country (say Thailand) and he wanted her to get nationalised, & had used the senate floor to say something like

Thailand? Why say Thailand?

MMAIRELANDFAN · 03-10-2011 11:14AM

Yahew wrote: »

Some forces are obviously out to get Norris, a mixture of old school Catholicism, Fine Gaelism, and possibly the Shinners now. A motley crew.

There has to be a reason the headlines don't, today, say:

GAY MITCHELL MAKES PLEA FOR CONSTITUENT IN DAIL OUTRAGE!.

Even though he most certainly has.

The papers will dig up anything on any of them that they find

Thats there job in fairness

If Gay Mitchell tried to get something for his wife through his power then it would be in the papers as abuse of power

I think many Norris voters have lost there moral compasses or are purely basing there vote on Norris's sexuality or else out of stubborness

Min · 03-10-2011 11:15AM

dvpower wrote: »

You want to censor Oireachtas members?

I simply didn't know it was where one who is elected talked about their lovers and worked for their own ends.

They are suppose to represent the interests of the country, not their own personal love affairs.

Snakeblood · 03-10-2011 11:16AM

MMAIRELANDFAN wrote: »

The papers will dig up anything on any of them that they find

Thats there job in fairness

If Gay Mitchell tried to get something for his wife through his power then it would be in the papers as abuse of power

I think many Norris voters have lost there moral compasses or are purely basing there vote on Norris's sexuality or else out of stubborness

Their job is to sell newspapers and advance their owners interest. If you're lucky, advancing their owners interest is downplayed.

Morlar · 03-10-2011 11:17AM

Yahew wrote: »

There has to be a reason the headlines don't, today, say:

GAY MITCHELL MAKES PLEA FOR CONSTITUENT IN DAIL OUTRAGE!.

Even though he most certainly has.

If it was a woman he was fcuking, who came from a non eu country (say Thailand) and he wanted her to get nationalised, & had used the senate floor to say something like :

My GF in the visitors' gallery demands to know who put a black mark against him her and what is that black mark.

"I want the officials in the department to know I will pursue this matter to the bitter end.

"Woe for them if they have behaved wrongly because if I cannot get an answer in the Oireachtas, I will make sure in the courts that I get an answer."

Then yes - that would be a newsworthy issue.

Especially if it was not an isolated instance.

dvpower wrote: »

Thailand? Why say Thailand?

Replace Thailand with any other country where significant numbers of non eu/non national women, who are in relationships with Irish men, originate from, and who are equally seeking citizenship. Then try and argue that it would be a non story if Mitchell had done it.

Particularly as a non isolated instance of lobbying to advance personal, private interests.

Merch · 03-10-2011 11:18AM

Yahew wrote: »

It may or may not be ok, actually. You would probably be ok with a form of clientelism, for instance, if a TD told a story about a constituent who was denied cancer treatment because of cut-backs. TD's often lobby behind the scenes, sometimes in public.

That said, even if you despise it and even if it is common, then it is not an issue for the presidential campaign; because all the candidates who have political records have done the same.

Some forces are obviously out to get Norris, a mixture of old school Catholicism, Fine Gaelism, and possibly the Shinners now. A motley crew.

There has to be a reason the headlines don't, today, say:

GAY MITCHELL MAKES PLEA FOR CONSTITUENT IN DAIL OUTRAGE!.

Even though he most certainly has.

Sorry, what, you dont speak for me, I speak for me.

I dont know of that story, it is a completley different thing to getting someone citizenship cos he bummed them, it actually sounds serious. (ive nothing against him bumming anyone either so long as its consensual, but that doesnt give him the right to use the system to gain preferential treatment for that guys application, just because he's a senator.

The story of who ever that person is getting denied treatment is completly and utterly different to some dick getting his drive tarmac'd or someone abusing the process for applying for citizenship when anyone else that applied had to wait years and pay a substantial amount of money.
I'm not an oncologist nor do i know the details of that case re cancer, I cant say if it was worth that person getting treatment, it sounds fair that they should but also maybe the money spent there may have treated 5 or 10 other people, we dont know.

4leto · 03-10-2011 11:18AM

There is something else to be considered here.

First I am absolutely opposed to Norris over other issues but not this.

He is gay, no revelation there, and he was in a relationship with a non EU citizen.

Now if he felt the relationship had a future, which most in a relationship feel, because it was a gay relationship he cannot marry his partner, so his partner would never have been granted citizenship here by that means.
This may have been his only way of doing so.

There was no civil partnership in 2007.

Show Time · 03-10-2011 11:19AM

It must be great to have the power to help any pretty boy who catchs his eye.

woodoo · 03-10-2011 11:20AM

MMAIRELANDFAN wrote: »

I think many Norris voters have lost there moral compasses or are purely basing there vote on Norris's sexuality or else out of stubborness

I'm not basing my vote for norris on his sexuality. I don't care what he is. I just think he is a decent man and would represent ireland well.

The papers digging up non stories like this one will make no impact on my decision at all.

FloatingVoter · 03-10-2011 11:22AM

I think many Norris voters have lost there moral compasses or are purely basing there vote on Norris's sexuality or else out of stubborness

The fact is in many other elections Norris would be unelectable. This from someone who'll probably wind up voting for the guy. For the record I'm not gay or stubborn (more lethargic than anything). That he's a strong contender is this election is a reflection on the pathetic choice of candidates. Norris also sells newspapers.

Show Time · 03-10-2011 11:24AM

woodoo wrote: »

I'm not basing my vote for norris on his sexuality. I don't care what he is. I just think he is a decent man and would represent ireland well.

The papers digging up non stories like this one will make no impact on my decision at all.

Sorry but any decent man would not have abused his (Jokeshop) position of power to try and get a kid fiddled off the hook.

Merch · 03-10-2011 11:25AM

woodoo wrote: »

I'm not basing my vote for norris on his sexuality. I don't care what he is. I just think he is a decent man and would represent ireland well.

The papers digging up non stories like this one will make no impact on my decision at all.

Clearly it isnt a non story or it wouldnt be running
Its an abuse of a position to represent someone like this? how can you not see that?
I question his judgement now, and initially I preferred him over the other potential candidates

4leto · 03-10-2011 11:27AM

Show Time wrote: »

It must be great to have the power to help any pretty boy who catchs his eye.

How do you know that was the case, I hesitate to go down this route but how about a straight guy of which a pretty Russian or African catches their eye.

This revelation about the senator is bollox.

Morlar · 03-10-2011 11:27AM

Show Time wrote: »

It must be great to have the power to help any pretty boy who catchs his eye.

In the world of Norris supporters this is more homophobia.

Fact is Any politician trying to subvert the normal procedures to get their non eu fcukbuddy a passport would rightly be condemned as an abuse of power, influence and position to advance strictly personal, private interests.

The scandal here is the fact that this is only getting media attention now that he is running for the office of President.

An effective Irish media would have challenged him on this years ago.

woodoo · 03-10-2011 11:27AM

Tomorrow's Independant front page:

OUTRAGE - As Norris swats a fly.

It will be death by a thousand cuts for Norris's campaign.

woodoo · 03-10-2011 11:30AM

Merch wrote: »

Its an abuse of a position to represent someone like this? how can you not see that?

Every politician in the land has done the likes of that (doesn't make it right though). I'm uncomfortable with him being singled out. Its a witch hunt.

Merch · 03-10-2011 11:30AM

woodoo wrote: »

Tomorrow's Independant front page:

OUTRAGE - As Norris swats a fly.

It will be death by a thousand cuts for Norris's campaign.

Whats this mean, nothing, it doesnt defend against his behaviour, cant you see what he has done is wrong?

bryaner · 03-10-2011 11:30AM

MitchKoobski wrote: »

He tried to help a partner get citizenship by appealing to the Seanad. Yer man eventually did get citizenship and now works for St. James' Hospital.

Wheres the abuse of power?

Mickey Power?

Norris, more abuse of power

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