Paul Kehoe - getting sacked in the morning?

charlemont · 02-10-2011 05:31PM

hondasam wrote: »

Most people think the Provisional IRA were responsible,If they were Martin McGuinness knew about it.

Rubbish and we both know it, Your only using it as an excuse to take a pop shot at Martin.

skelliser · 02-10-2011 05:37PM

charlemont wrote: »

Rubbish and we both know it, Your only using it as an excuse to take a pop shot at Martin.

So if it wasnt the IRA then who?

What did Cowen say to mcguinness at a meeting in the north about consulting with the IRA leadership about a certain thing.
"There is a mirror in the toilet if you wanna talk to the IRA leadership"

Seriously, what was McGuinness doing for the last 30 years if he wasnt in the IRA? MAKING THE TEA!!

hondasam · 02-10-2011 05:43PM

charlemont wrote: »

Rubbish and we both know it, Your only using it as an excuse to take a pop shot at Martin.

I'm not sure if you are saying the IRA did it but Martin did not know about it.
If not the IRA then who did it?

I have no time for Sinn Fein, never have and never will.
I would hate to see him President of Ireland but that's not going to happen anyway.

charlemont · 02-10-2011 05:55PM

hondasam wrote: »

I'm not sure if you are saying the IRA did it but Martin did not know about it.
If not the IRA then who did it?

I have no time for Sinn Fein, never have and never will.
I would hate to see him President of Ireland but that's not going to happen anyway.

I'm referring to Martins knowledge of the raid, Although I just had a quick look at the details and those responsible were well trained, Almost too well trained to have been in the IRA.

With regard to your dislike of Sinn Fein, That's understandable but from my point of view the so called "good" in Irish society has completely let this country down, The Catholic Church, FF, Banks, etc And the same media that benefits from the same politicians being in power that ruined the country can spin about Sinn Fein being evil terrorists till the cows come home, These same journalists could well have being exposing the corruptness in our society for the last few decades but no its against their interests and the interests of the "good", So F em, I'll be voting for Martin. Martin has taken more risks than any of the politicians here, He could have been assassinated, in jail for life or on the run and he took his chances due to the strength of his beliefs. Pity more were not like him.

hondasam · 02-10-2011 06:08PM

charlemont wrote: »

I'm referring to Martins knowledge of the raid, Although I just had a quick look at the details and those responsible were well trained, Almost too well trained to have been in the IRA.

With regard to your dislike of Sinn Fein, That's understandable but from my point of view the so called "good" in Irish society has completely let this country down, The Catholic Church, FF, Banks, etc And the same media that benefits from the same politicians being in power that ruined the country can spin about Sinn Fein being evil terrorists till the cows come home, These same journalists could well have being exposing the corruptness in our society for the last few decades but no its against their interests and the interests of the "good", So F em, I'll be voting for Martin. Martin has taken more risks than any of the politicians here, He could have been assassinated, in jail for life or on the run and he took his chances due to the strength of his beliefs. Pity more were not like him.

yes of course you are right about Church and FF etc.

One question he was asked in the interview in the Mail was,
''Do you feel guilty, find it hard to sleep'' he answered No.
He has not moved on at all really, he just wants us to think he has.

tricky D · 02-10-2011 06:27PM

skelliser wrote: »

Seriously, what was McGuinness doing for the last 30 years if he wasnt in the IRA? MAKING THE TEA!!

Terrorist stuff most likely, just like that other ex-terrorist Nelson Mandela before he got caught and convicted for bombings. Scurrilous chap altogether.

charlemont · 02-10-2011 06:35PM

tricky D wrote: »

Terrorist stuff most likely, just like that other ex-terrorist Nelson Mandela before he got caught and convicted for bombings. Scurrilous chap altogether.

Awful, Awful carry on, Why cant they just take the discrimination ?:rolleyes:

slippy wicket · 02-10-2011 06:55PM

Where in the tweet does it accuse that terrorist fellow of actually taking part in the raid. does it not just allege that he may have a beneficial use of the stolen money.

Who can say whether some of it has ended up in SF coffers through various means.

nlgbbbblth · 02-10-2011 06:58PM

I'm from Paul Kehoe's constituency.

He's not the brightest.

michael999999 · 02-10-2011 07:10PM

Wonder would Paul tweet and ask did Gay ever receive any proceeds from hes cousin?

I hear the penguins in european zoos are worth a fortune!

orourkeda · 02-10-2011 07:21PM

where do i go from here wrote: »

What could McGuiness sue for?

Libel consider he was neither charged or convicted of such an offence

The Waltzing Consumer · 02-10-2011 07:37PM

charlemont wrote: »

I'm referring to Martins knowledge of the raid, Although I just had a quick look at the details and those responsible were well trained, Almost too well trained to have been in the IRA.

With regard to your dislike of Sinn Fein, That's understandable but from my point of view the so called "good" in Irish society has completely let this country down, The Catholic Church, FF, Banks, etc And the same media that benefits from the same politicians being in power that ruined the country can spin about Sinn Fein being evil terrorists till the cows come home, These same journalists could well have being exposing the corruptness in our society for the last few decades but no its against their interests and the interests of the "good", So F em, I'll be voting for Martin. Martin has taken more risks than any of the politicians here, He could have been assassinated, in jail for life or on the run and he took his chances due to the strength of his beliefs. Pity more were not like him.

Firstly, you had a quick look at the details of the Northern Bank raid and can judge that from that wikipedia article, you have deemed the IRA not well enough trained to do that. :P Bit of an ego?

Secondly, many journalists have written about the Church, FF, Banks for years so that is a bad argument and empty of any substance.

Thirdly, before you end the rant of how others ruined this country, have a thought for the millions/billions lost because companies would not invest in this country because of the IRAs campaign during those thirty years?

Plenty of blame to go around.

Sooopie · 02-10-2011 07:45PM

hondasam wrote: »

Most people think the Provisional IRA were responsible,If they were Martin McGuinness knew about it.

Prove it

:pac:

headmaster · 02-10-2011 07:46PM

OMG, is this true about Gay Mitchel and the penguin, he will deffo have some explaining to do. This is terrible. Why is he saying those bad things about Mr Mcguiness, is he trying to take the heat off himself? Why are the newspapers not carrying this story? Is the penguin funding his election bid, the public have a right to know?

skelliser · 02-10-2011 07:51PM

tricky D wrote: »

Terrorist stuff most likely, just like that other ex-terrorist Nelson Mandela before he got caught and convicted for bombings. Scurrilous chap altogether.

Comparing McGuinness to Mandella!! lol!!

MagicSean · 02-10-2011 07:54PM

orourkeda wrote: »

Libel consider he was neither charged or convicted of such an offence

First of all, there is no such thing as libel any more. It is defamation.

Secondly, the quote in the OP merely had him asking a question and didn't refer to McGuinness at all.

Finally, a statement is only defamatory if it is untrue. And, unlike a criminal case, in civil court truth is decided on the balance of probabilities as opposed to beyond a reasonable doubt so it is much easier to defend a statement.

tricky D · 02-10-2011 08:20PM

skelliser wrote: »

Comparing McGuinness to Mandella!! lol!!

Suppose so, afterall 27 years versus 6 months in prison is quite a comparison for similar terrorist activities.

4leto · 02-10-2011 08:27PM

The peace process was meant to leave all this behind, in return for laying down the gun, all the prisoners would be released and any existing provos would get an amnesty, then in time there would be a reconciliation, thn the provos would fully enter and engage with politics only.

Sinn Fein and the IRA lived up to their side of the bargain.

Now look at Martin Mc Guinness without his provo history.

He guided active IRA members through the peace process, I would imagine that was a herculean task, he succeeded.

He got on famously with Ian Paisley he develloped a very good working relationship, the chuckle brothers as some unionists use to call them

He then got on with the very aloof Peter Robinson, again he developed a very good relationship.

He has done a good and fair job in Northern Ireland, he has been incredibly successful.

So now us, why don't we live up to our end of peace process and see the man beyond his history which we are meant to forgive. The more I think about it he is the best candidate for the job. Although I am still undecided so far he maybe getting my vote.

Sir Oxman · 02-10-2011 08:34PM

headmaster wrote: »

Is the penguin funding his election bid,

Only in Ireland would you get a sentence like that!:D
(Not having a go at you, headmaster, I just cracked up reading that line - Paul Williams has a lot to answer for!)

Jimoslimos · 02-10-2011 08:55PM

Pretty tactless and regardless of whether it was believed by every dog in the street he could have put it a little more subtly.

Something like "Wonder if Northern bank will be making any corporate donations to MMGs campaign?" would have got the point across just as well.

Its a valid point to question the finances of somebody who has spent a long time involved in illegal activities outside the state, just badly put.

Reloc8 · 02-10-2011 10:01PM

Hate to drag this legal but :

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

In order to plead fair comment, the publisher must be able to show that

the report was on a matter of public interest
the statement was a comment, rather than a fact and
the comment was fair, in that the belief was honestly held

Can people argue why any of these three cannot be used to defend the tweet? It is certainly a matter of public interest, it was a comment rather than a fact and the comment is fair because he would honestly hold that view.

In order to sue successfully the Plaintiff must establish that they have a reputation capable of being damaged and the Defendant is entitled to argue that even if what was published was untrue, the Plaintiff has committed other acts such as would lead a reasonable person to find they have no reputation.

Can't see McGuinness opening himself up to that kind of exploration.

GFJD · 02-10-2011 10:10PM

Kehoe needs to stand down.
Totally Unprofessional

GFJD · 02-10-2011 10:14PM

4leto wrote: »

The peace process was meant to leave all this behind, in return for laying down the gun, all the prisoners would be released and any existing provos would get an amnesty, then in time there would be a reconciliation, thn the provos would fully enter and engage with politics only.

Sinn Fein and the IRA lived up to their side of the bargain.

Now look at Martin Mc Guinness without his provo history.

He guided active IRA members through the peace process, I would imagine that was a herculean task, he succeeded.

He got on famously with Ian Paisley he develloped a very good working relationship, the chuckle brothers as some unionists use to call them

He then got on with the very aloof Peter Robinson, again he developed a very good relationship.

He has done a good and fair job in Northern Ireland, he has been incredibly successful.

So now us, why don't we live up to our end of peace process and see the man beyond his history which we are meant to forgive. The more I think about it he is the best candidate for the job. Although I am still undecided so far he maybe getting my vote.

I reckon that is the opinion of the average person on the street, who are not stupid enough to get bogged down with the establishment media and the blueshirts who know that their day is coming , and by that I mean , coming to an end.

The Waltzing Consumer · 02-10-2011 10:19PM

GFJD wrote: »

I reckon that is the opinion of the average person on the street, who are not stupid enough to get bogged down with the establishment media and the blueshirts who know that their day is coming , and by that I mean , coming to an end.

it is hard to take it serious when you throw the blueshirt comment in :rolleyes:

Seriously, if you want people to stop harping on about the very recent past, it is best for you to stop harping about 1930s groups.

4leto · 02-10-2011 10:20PM

GFJD wrote: »

I reckon that is the opinion of the average person on the street, who are not stupid enough to get bogged down with the establishment media and the blueshirts who know that their day is coming , and by that I mean , coming to an end.

It doesn't seem to be, there is a focus on the man's republican past, not on I must say, brilliant political life.

You have to ask and I suppose history can only answer, would the peace process have succeeded without him.

The peace process has been the greatest political success since the birth of our state.

The man is definitely able.

The Waltzing Consumer · 02-10-2011 10:21PM

GFJD wrote: »

Kehoe needs to stand down.
Totally Unprofessional

Overreact much?

A tweet = "he should be fired, resign, stand down"
In a group that murdered gardai, lied about it, campaigning for the release of these murderers, lie more, rob banks, lie more = "he should be president"

It all seems a tad stupid. :pac:

headmaster · 02-10-2011 10:23PM

Jay Leno has it on his programme tonight, that a major dutch/irish criminal is funding the presidential campaign of his cousin in the race to win the irish presidency. This show is seen by millions and millions worldwide. Why is the person mentioned not denying this? Surely all the american companies will pull out of Ireland if they think this is true. Worrying times ahead.

Wolfe Tone · 02-10-2011 10:26PM

Its very unprofessional of him.

On the issue of Martin McGuinness suing, he won't bother wasting his time with crap like that.

While we are on the topic of republicans suing for defamation, I always thought this was a great moment; (skip to 1:45) Its an exchange between Adams and Hugh Leonard on the Late Late.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j44dA9M-gWc&feature=related

guinnessdrinker · 02-10-2011 10:33PM

Has anyone tried to email Paul Kehoe about his tweet?

nlgbbbblth · 02-10-2011 10:39PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Its very unprofessional of him.

On the issue of Martin McGuinness suing, he won't bother wasting his time with crap like that.

While we are on the topic of republicans suing for defamation, I always thought this was a great moment; (skip to 1:45) Its an exchange between Adams and Hugh Leonard on the Late Late.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j44dA9M-gWc&feature=related

I had the misfortune to encounter Hugh Leonard a few times in real life. A despicable man.

Paul Kehoe - getting sacked in the morning?

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