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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    Roster is a 7 day roster. The main shift is 8am to 8pm. This is how your 2 weeks would go.
    Week 1 Week 2
    Mon On Off
    Tues On Off
    Wed Off On
    Thurs Off On
    Fri On Off
    Sat On Off
    Sun On Off
    You do nights and early starts but thats the bones of the roster. We have built in overtime as well which basically means you will be doing an extra day per fortnight, I can't really explain it quickly. The majority of your duty will be on the landings dealing with prisoners. After a few years you can apply for a few different units.
    Escort corp deals with prisoner transfers and the courts. Some lads like it as it's monday to friday and no nights.
    Operational support group are the specialist search teams, gather intelligence, investigate stuff etc.
    Canine unit has the drugs and "biting" dogs.
    These are small enough units and usually you need a few years under your belt to have a shot of getting on them. The pay and conditions in the job have been badly eroded over the last few years and morale is fairly low. The guards offer more variety in my opinion, but overall, despite what some people say, its still a good job. If your in the reserves then I don't need to tell you that it can be dangerous dealing with scrotes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭Delancey


    Has the Government ditched the plan that would have seen prisoner escorts outsourced ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭macroman29


    Got a letter from IPS this morning. PCT Test on 7 October in Beladd House.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 366 ✭✭sodbuster77


    macroman29 wrote: »
    Got a letter from IPS this morning. PCT Test on 7 October in Beladd House.

    The 40 shuttle runs are the hardest part. The rest is easy. Good luck:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭480905


    you do realise you are a muppet and have not a clue what you are talking about? prisoners cost the state a fortune! so much so that we suffer to make sure they are happy!


    Whats the main cost of keeping a prisoner??? STAFF. Whats the handiest way of saving money???? PRIVATISE. Who is going to Lose??? STAFF. They dont give a **** about either the staff OR the Prisoners... A Necassary evil we are to keep prisoners locked up. The give them everything to keep them quiet and take everything off us cos they know they have the POA in their pockets. .. and IF they can save money by NOT HAVING TO PAY PENSIONS , then they will gladly do it. The cost saving factor of not having to pay pensions to employees. Get your facts right before you start calling people Muppets. Gob ****e


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  • Registered Users Posts: 152 ✭✭slim1919


    looks like i am ****ed was just on to IPS not getting job dident get security clearance for some reason thats 3 years well spent


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28 somehope11


    slim1919 wrote: »
    looks like i am ****ed was just on to IPS not getting job dident get security clearance for some reason thats 3 years well spent
    Sorry to hear that buddy,its been a long wait.


  • Registered Users Posts: 152 ✭✭slim1919


    somehope11 wrote: »
    Sorry to hear that buddy,its been a long wait.


    thanks man i realy dont know why they dident give me security clearance i have never been in trouble with the law before i will be appealing it though but i will definitely miss the next class


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    Delancey wrote: »
    Has the Government ditched the plan that would have seen prisoner escorts outsourced ?

    It was put into legislation but never acted upon. I'd be very surprised if it wasn't privatised in the next 2 years along with the tuck shops, staff screening units and anything else they can privatise. It's fairly common knowledge that G4 have taken on a few retired Governors and they would have a field day with no pesky union to get in their way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 366 ✭✭sodbuster77


    Was speaking to a member of HR today (they actually returned my call :eek:) who told me they are hoping to get a class started in Belaad in late October or early November.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 434 ✭✭cordub


    they are supposed to be training 40 in october thats uposed to be true :):)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,807 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    480905 wrote: »
    Get your facts right before you start calling people Muppets. Gob ****e
    Infracted for A) refusing to follow moderator instructions and B) abusing another boards.ie member.

    Folks I'm serious, if I issue a perfectly reasonable moderator instruction on-thread, I expect that to be respected and complied with. This forum requires the least moderation, and I'd like it to stay that way.

    There is to be NO FURTHER COMMENT on this post, or the post it was responding to.

    Back on topic please and thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    slim1919 wrote: »
    thanks man i realy dont know why they dident give me security clearance i have never been in trouble with the law before i will be appealing it though but i will definitely miss the next class

    Probably not your fault.
    Not getting clearance is most likely a result of your file, sitting in a pile of files on some Garda desk somewhere and not getting cleared in time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭pada1981


    hey all, got my letter for pct, oct 7th, just wondering what its like? i heard the 40 shuttle runs is the hardes part??? any insights would be helpful from people who have done it...


  • Registered Users Posts: 62 ✭✭innercitydub2


    Rawhead wrote: »
    Roster is a 7 day roster. The main shift is 8am to 8pm. This is how your 2 weeks would go.
    Week 1 Week 2
    Mon On Off
    Tues On Off
    Wed Off On
    Thurs Off On
    Fri On Off
    Sat On Off
    Sun On Off
    You do nights and early starts but thats the bones of the roster. We have built in overtime as well which basically means you will be doing an extra day per fortnight, I can't really explain it quickly. The majority of your duty will be on the landings dealing with prisoners. After a few years you can apply for a few different units.
    Escort corp deals with prisoner transfers and the courts. Some lads like it as it's monday to friday and no nights.
    Operational support group are the specialist search teams, gather intelligence, investigate stuff etc.
    Canine unit has the drugs and "biting" dogs.
    These are small enough units and usually you need a few years under your belt to have a shot of getting on them. The pay and conditions in the job have been badly eroded over the last few years and morale is fairly low. The guards offer more variety in my opinion, but overall, despite what some people say, its still a good job. If your in the reserves then I don't need to tell you that it can be dangerous dealing with scrotes.

    Thanks for the reply to my question rawhead :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 366 ✭✭sodbuster77


    pada1981 wrote: »
    hey all, got my letter for pct, oct 7th, just wondering what its like? i heard the 40 shuttle runs is the hardes part??? any insights would be helpful from people who have done it...

    The shuttle runs are the hardest bit. I didn't practise them before I done mine and I still made it with about 10 seconds to spare. If your reasonably fit then it won't be problem. The trick is just pacing yourself and not going off like a mad man on the first few. The rest of the test is easy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭pada1981


    do you have to touch the cones as you run, or is it with your feet if that makes sense???


  • Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭LoanShark


    pada1981 wrote: »
    do you have to touch the cones as you run, or is it with your feet if that makes sense???


    You run between two points and have to touch the line with your foot..

    Practice your shuttle runs!


  • Registered Users Posts: 434 ✭✭cordub


    ST John is on tv again procrastinating about people in jails for fines could nearly agree with him on this ,What a waste of money sending these people to already over crowded prisons:rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭Delancey


    cordub wrote: »
    ST John is on tv again procrastinating about people in jails for fines could nearly agree with him on this ,What a waste of money sending these people to already over crowded prisons:rolleyes::rolleyes:

    + 1 . Why a process where offenders have fines deducted from wages / social welfare has not been implemented is beyond me.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28 somehope11


    Whats your opinion on the lady being sent to prison for not allowing the esb to go in and knock all her trees.Was it the right thing to send her to prison or not.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    somehope11 wrote: »
    Whats your opinion on the lady being sent to prison for not allowing the esb to go in and knock all her trees.Was it the right thing to send her to prison or not.

    You will come across loads of people that you know shouldn't be in prison. You will come across even more that you know should never be let out of prison. Your job is to make sure that they are locked securely in the cell when you go home at night. We have no say or shouldn't care who the courts send to us.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28 somehope11


    Rawhead wrote: »
    You will come across loads of people that you know shouldn't be in prison. You will come across even more that you know should never be let out of prison. Your job is to make sure that they are locked securely in the cell when you go home at night. We have no say or shouldn't care who the courts send to us.
    Fair points.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭Delancey


    In the book by Philip Bray he says Prison Officers always call each other Mister Murphy / Jones or whatever and never use first names in front of prisoners - is this still the case ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭Salmon


    Yes, its still the case!-We dont use first names in front of the clients!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    Delancey wrote: »
    In the book by Philip Bray he says Prison Officers always call each other Mister Murphy / Jones or whatever and never use first names in front of prisoners - is this still the case ?

    First names are never used. A lot of lads take off wedding bands going into work (and going out). You really try and minimise what the lags know about you. Prisoners are usually called by their first name and they call us Officer or Mr X if they know you. The first names can be confusing on the traveller landings though...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 366 ✭✭sodbuster77


    Are there any protocols in place if an officer knows an inmate personally?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭rogieop


    if you have been scheduled in for your pct is it safe to assume you have passed your background checks? or is that done after the physical?

    Im due in for 7th oct, just wondering,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 366 ✭✭sodbuster77


    rogieop wrote: »
    if you have been scheduled in for your pct is it safe to assume you have passed your background checks? or is that done after the physical?

    Im due in for 7th oct, just wondering,

    No!

    I did my pct test in December and didn't get cleared until April. Some guys are still waiting.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭pada1981


    im doing my pct 7 oct, hate this waiting game, how was the training???


  • Registered Users Posts: 434 ✭✭cordub


    Are there any protocols in place if an officer knows an inmate personally?
    There are no written rules as far as I know except i know relations of a prison officer usually end up being sent to another prison ,I have come across people in mountjoy that I knew slightly from outside and they were more embarrassed than i was after all Im doing a job while they have broken the law and been CAUGHT ;););)


  • Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭bitter_lemon


    Are there any protocols in place if an officer knows an inmate personally?
    i would know a lot from the area i grew up in. they are certainly not embarrassed when they see me. most know the score though and i'd have a quiet word with the spanners.


  • Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭bitter_lemon


    what is the story with these AH letters? thats terrible. oh silly me i forgot you are not supposed to have a life. the wording in them is bad form :mad:

    3 incidents in 6 months - lol i'm ****ed already!


  • Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭macroman29


    Lads what time do you need to have the 40x15 run down to pass with ease. Done it today coming in in 3m 12sec ?. I suppose ill do it faster on the day. Im thinking of pacing it for the first 30 and burst a gut on the last 10 ?. any advice most welcome.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 366 ✭✭sodbuster77


    macroman29 wrote: »
    Lads what time do you need to have the 40x15 run down to pass with ease. Done it today coming in in 3m 12sec ?. I suppose ill do it faster on the day. Im thinking of pacing it for the first 30 and burst a gut on the last 10 ?. any advice most welcome.

    There will be two lads there telling you how many you have done and how much time you have left so don't worry about trying to count it. Pacing yourself early on is the way to go, the adrenaline will get you over the last few. Best of luck. If you hear any mention of a start date when your down there let us know. Cheers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭Salmon


    what is the story with these AH letters? thats terrible. oh silly me i forgot you are not supposed to have a life. the wording in them is bad form :mad:

    3 incidents in 6 months - lol i'm ****ed already!

    Hey Bitter,

    Without going into too much detail, what was the general jist of the letter??:confused:

    Cheers


  • Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭macroman29


    macroman29 wrote: »
    Lads what time do you need to have the 40x15 run down to pass with ease. Done it today coming in in 3m 12sec ?. I suppose ill do it faster on the day. Im thinking of pacing it for the first 30 and burst a gut on the last 10 ?. any advice most welcome.

    There will be two lads there telling you how many you have done and how much time you have left so don't worry about trying to count it. Pacing yourself early on is the way to go, the adrenaline will get you over the last few. Best of luck. If you hear any mention of a start date when your down there let us know. Cheers.
    Will do mate thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭rogieop


    this may sound like a stupid question but on the shuttle runs. the description says running "backwards and forwards" i assume you get to the end of the 15 metres, turn and run back to your start point, its not actually running backwards ie back tracking?

    ive been doing it between 3:00 and 3:15 without really pushing at all so just wondering incase ive read it wrong altogether.

    Everything else seems fairly easy, also any directions to the training and development centre from the m50 would be much appreciated. cheers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭LoanShark


    rogieop wrote: »
    this may sound like a stupid question but on the shuttle runs. the description says running "backwards and forwards" i assume you get to the end of the 15 metres, turn and run back to your start point, its not actually running backwards ie back tracking?

    ive been doing it between 3:00 and 3:15 without really pushing at all so just wondering incase ive read it wrong altogether.

    Everything else seems fairly easy, also any directions to the training and development centre from the m50 would be much appreciated. cheers.

    Hi,
    You're doing it properly. Just remember to keep to the pace that suits you, on the day people will go like the clappers and others will try to keep up with them and end up burning out before they have the number of runs done..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭rogieop


    LoanShark wrote: »
    Hi,
    You're doing it properly. Just remember to keep to the pace that suits you, on the day people will go like the clappers and others will try to keep up with them and end up burning out before they have the number of runs done..

    thanks very much, just had another go at it and coming in around the 3 min mark. did the 40 shuttles, gave myself 1 min break, then the 7 sprint shuttles, 1 min break and then the fire extinguisher one, took a one min break and repeated it and got through all with time to spare so ill be confident enough for friday. just need a good nights sleep and get there early.

    out of interest, when you did it did many people not make it through? must be gutting to get this far and then fail the physical.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 366 ✭✭sodbuster77


    rogieop wrote: »
    thanks very much, just had another go at it and coming in around the 3 min mark. did the 40 shuttles, gave myself 1 min break, then the 7 sprint shuttles, 1 min break and then the fire extinguisher one, took a one min break and repeated it and got through all with time to spare so ill be confident enough for friday. just need a good nights sleep and get there early.

    out of interest, when you did it did many people not make it through? must be gutting to get this far and then fail the physical.

    4 girls didn't pass the 40x15 shuttle runs when I did mine but they passed everything else. There was about 25 of us there on the day. If you don't pass a particular test you will be given one more chance to pass at a later date. By the sounds of things you'll have no bother. Good luck.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 alan7


    hey there. i passed the aptitude test in the 08 panel , came in around 530 and have not heard anything since, any body have any idea if its gone then or should i expect to get an interview some time soon. any info be great, cheers


  • Registered Users Posts: 49 lozzy23


    Bitter lemon what the story with the AH letters didnt hear anything about them. Best of luck to all the hopeful new recruits 2m and if there is any word on a start date post up hear. Beladd is just up the road on the right past portlaoise hospital and before midlands and portlaoise prisons hope to be seeing some new faces in the jails soon enough.


  • Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭bitter_lemon


    Salmon wrote: »
    Hey Bitter,

    Without going into too much detail, what was the general jist of the letter??:confused:

    Cheers
    i found out for definite it is just localised in our jail so i can't go into too much detail. basically done under the code of discipline if you avail of your rest day 3 times in a 6 month period.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    i found out for definite it is just localised in our jail so i can't go into too much detail. basically done under the code of discipline if you avail of your rest day 3 times in a 6 month period.

    Is that not double punishment. You are not getting paid so a code of discipline is doing you twice for the same thing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭pada1981


    macroman29 wrote: »
    Will do mate thanks


    3mins 30 seconds 40 x 15


  • Registered Users Posts: 434 ✭✭cordub


    Rawhead wrote: »
    Is that not double punishment. You are not getting paid so a code of discipline is doing you twice for the same thing.
    in my experience it depends on who you are as to wheather the code of dis is used , some are done some are not , the code of dis is to punish you for not turning up and will prob result in the ah hours being taken away which in the long run does noone any good . kind of defeats the purpose if u ask me :rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 152 ✭✭slim1919


    good luck to everyone doing the pct today hope you all fly through it


  • Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭bitter_lemon


    Rawhead wrote: »
    Is that not double punishment. You are not getting paid so a code of discipline is doing you twice for the same thing.
    yes you are right. the union are having a meeting over it but the croke park agreement and document change it is in black and white you can be under the code of discipline if you do not turn up for AH ie "extraordinary" circumstances ie your mother/father/partner died or you had a accident coming to work. otherwise they have the power.
    ips are out to get blood and they will get it. i will retract it though next week. they are making the rules up as they go along :mad:
    i was backed into a corner on this one.


  • Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭bitter_lemon


    cordub wrote: »
    in my experience it depends on who you are as to wheather the code of dis is used , some are done some are not , the code of dis is to punish you for not turning up and will prob result in the ah hours being taken away which in the long run does noone any good . kind of defeats the purpose if u ask me :rolleyes::rolleyes:
    they are not threatening taking away the 360 band. that does not suit them. they are looking at taking an increment or operational allowance off you.
    as i said its localised and the brain child of a certain individual who holds power.


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