Is mass emigration affecting ireland?

Lurching · 27-09-2011 09:53AM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSLR963JB-8

Polyester jerseys, daddys money and bubble jobs in Oz won't last forever.

It doesn't matter if it wont last forever, but theres money to be made there right now, so why begrudge those who go to a slightly less depressing country for a while and earn their keep?

I have lived in Sydney for 18 months now and am currently home for a holiday. Its amazing how bleak Ireland is now and how depressed much of the population is. There is none of this in Sydney.

Jimmy Garlic · 27-09-2011 10:21AM

Lurching wrote: »

It doesn't matter if it wont last forever, but theres money to be made there right now, so why begrudge those who go to a slightly less depressing country for a while and earn their keep?

I am not begrudging anybody. Some people have the assumption that Australia=good times forever, they are in for a shock.. You lived there, the good times are coming to an end, the bubble is about to pop. Sorry, but that's the way it is. The days of the Australian holiday camp are coming to an end.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 27-09-2011 10:48AM

OneArt wrote: »

An island of approximately four million needs depopulation!?

There are at least five million on the island. But your point stands, we're one of the most sparsely populated countries in Europe.

Fighting Irish · 27-09-2011 11:03AM

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

A lot of people I know were more worried about earning a living than playing, sad but true...

:rolleyes:

mikemac · 27-09-2011 11:14AM

London for Sam Maguire

ejmaztec · 27-09-2011 11:29AM

Here's the answer, get gallons of coffee down your necks.

Coffee linked with lower depression

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0927/breaking13.html

Patricide · 27-09-2011 11:33AM

Most people my age are either in Australia or Canada, however there are a few in America and England.

I myself was living in Germany for a while and it was great, heading off to Austria (EUROPE) in November and I cant wait.

The best thing is that there are no Irish - not saying anything bad about the Irish, but from my experiences in Australia the majority huddle together and don't assimilate into society. They drink too much and they can be closed minded. Of course this cant be said about everyone, but its one of the main reasons I didn't stay down under.

Lurching · 28-09-2011 10:35AM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

the bubble is about to pop. Sorry, but that's the way it is. The days of the Australian holiday camp are coming to an end.

Are you basing this on fact or a crystal ball?

The Australian economy is largely stimulated by their resources. Unless there is a massive worldwide crash which also takes out China, the selling of natural resources is safe, even taking into account the slowdown in sales of nuclear resources.

Im not foolish enough to believe that it will be sunshine and lollipops over there forever, but a large part of the success of any economy is the mindset of its population. If people start to fear a crash, then there is more chance that one will occur, as people will stop spending. This is not the mindset of Australians, and I hope the economy will continue as is for a number of years.

denhaagenite · 28-09-2011 11:16AM

I'm just sick of hearing about all the poor babas who "have" to emigrate to far away Aus an Canada. All the poor Mammies and Daddies waving goodbye at the airport my a**e. Too lazy to maybe have to cope with another language in nearby Europe more like. Loads of white and blue colour jobs all over the continent, and to be fair English is the first language in the bigger cities like Den Haag, Brussels, Dusseldorf etc.

Loads of people left before the recession but we're not seen the same way as the poor craythurs who may aswell be sailing the Jeanie Johnston to Amerikay the way people are carrying on.

/rant over

Patricide · 28-09-2011 08:12PM

denhaagenite wrote: »

I'm just sick of hearing about all the poor babas who "have" to emigrate to far away Aus an Canada. All the poor Mammies and Daddies waving goodbye at the airport my a**e. Too lazy to maybe have to cope with another language in nearby Europe more like. Loads of white and blue colour jobs all over the continent, and to be fair English is the first language in the bigger cities like Den Haag, Brussels, Dusseldorf etc.

Loads of people left before the recession but we're not seen the same way as the poor craythurs who may aswell be sailing the Jeanie Johnston to Amerikay the way people are carrying on.

/rant over

English is NOT the first language in Dusseldorf. I don't know where your getting that idea.... Most people will speak english but you cant expect them to work with just english surely?

charlemont · 28-09-2011 08:16PM

OneArt wrote: »

An island of approximately four million needs depopulation!?

Six and a half Million actually but yes what a pathetic bog comment about depopulation.

Google Gold · 28-09-2011 08:55PM

OneArt wrote: »

An island of approximately four million needs depopulation!?

Depopulation and then repopulation or simply population replacement.

Aidric · 28-09-2011 09:00PM

Patricide wrote: »

heading off to Austria (EUROPE) in November and I cant wait.

Thanks for clarifying that.

OneArt · 28-09-2011 09:09PM

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

There are at least five million on the island. But your point stands, we're one of the most sparsely populated countries in Europe.

I wasn't 100 percent sure if it was four or five. Still though one of the reasons I left was because most areas in Ireland are considerably bleak and there just isn't much going on.

denhaagenite · 29-09-2011 08:32AM

Patricide wrote: »

English is NOT the first language in Dusseldorf. I don't know where your getting that idea.... Most people will speak english but you cant expect them to work with just english surely?

Right, well I don't know how my husband has been managing at his office in Dusseldorf for the last three years. You'd think they'd get him a translator or something :pac:

mandrake04 · 29-09-2011 10:02AM

Patricide wrote: »

Most people my age are either in Australia or Canada, however there are a few in America and England.

denhaagenite wrote: »

I'm just sick of hearing about all the poor babas who "have" to emigrate to far away Aus an Canada. All the poor Mammies and Daddies waving goodbye at the airport my a**e. Too lazy to maybe have to cope with another language in nearby Europe more like. Loads of white and blue colour jobs all over the continent, and to be fair English is the first language in the bigger cities like Den Haag, Brussels, Dusseldorf etc.

I have to laugh at all this bull about tens of thousands of young Irish people emigrating to Australia, they are not emigrating they are only on a holiday.

Sure if someone said they are emigrating to Santa Ponsa for two weeks in July people would just laugh at them. Who are they trying to kid?

Like in my earlier post at most 3700 Irish people emigrated to Australia last year.

denhaagenite · 29-09-2011 10:05AM

Good point that, let's wait until their two years are up and see what they do then. NZ, integration or abhaile arís?

mandrake04 · 29-09-2011 10:09AM

denhaagenite wrote: »

Good point that, let's wait until their two years are up and see what they do then. NZ, integration or abhaile arís?

Or risk deportation

dipper.meath16 · 29-09-2011 10:44AM

If some of you had family members out there, you would rant about it beoing a holiday camp.. My brother is in melbourne, Hes a qualified sparks, and is sitting the exam is aus now to be alowed work as a sparks there.. hes been labouring for a company for the last 6months and is awaiting to hear on his 5 year sponsorship.. Hes been there 2 years already working his bo**ox of, and is HAPPY. He wants to come home at some stage but what the hell is the point?? what is there here for the thousands of qualified trades people? He was redundant for a year before he made the decision to pack up and go.. it was tough on the family, heck we miss him to bits(thank god for skype)

i live in a rural area, and 3 lads have went from my local hurling club, and you would miss them around the place. one of the lads a qualified, self employed bricklayer, was doing small jobs, for the sake of doing them, was making nothing for himself, so he went and is earning a fortune! Why stay in this hell hole? i certainly dont know if i will be here next year.. I dont like blaming people for the state of the country but surly some1 has to be put to the sword for what went on??

inforfun · 29-09-2011 11:58AM

denhaagenite wrote: »

Right, well I don't know how my husband has been managing at his office in Dusseldorf for the last three years. You'd think they'd get him a translator or something :pac:

At work i manage perfectly well speaking my own language.
However if i go out for shopping and will only speak my own language in the shops here, i will be very hungry.

For English speakers it is somewhat easier, lots of people will speak English on the continent but that shouldn't stop anyone learning the language if they stay in a foreign country for a number of years.

It is rather ignorant if you dont in my opinion.

denhaagenite · 29-09-2011 12:21PM

inforfun wrote: »

At work i manage perfectly well speaking my own language.
However if i go out for shopping and will only speak my own language in the shops here, i will be very hungry.

For English speakers it is somewhat easier, lots of people will speak English on the continent but that shouldn't stop anyone learning the language if they stay in a foreign country for a number of years.

It is rather ignorant if you dont in my opinion.

International offices, of which there are alot in Germany and other European countries, use English as their first official language. When he was living in Germany (part time for a year), he learned enough to get groceries, eat out, pay bills etc. Not enough to hold a conversation or use for work. Fluent German was never a stipulation for his work, and he didn't have the free time to learn it.

In any case while he works in Germany, we live in NL and although it is not necessary for work we both speak Dutch and are very well integrated here. The point I am making is that most of the reason Irish emigrants are going to the US, Canada and Australia because they are not open to learning another language which defeats the argument of people "having" to go so far away because there are no jobs in Ireland.

Crazy Horse 6 · 29-09-2011 12:23PM

Give it ten years and this country will be a waterland if we continue with the mad policys FG have introduced.

anto2 · 29-09-2011 01:16PM

>>n any case while he works in Germany, we live in NL and although it is not necessary for work we both speak Dutch and are very well integrated here.<<

Doubt if you and him are fluent in Dutch .:D Holland is a nice place to live though if you are in to drugs and hookers

denhaagenite · 29-09-2011 01:27PM

anto2 wrote: »

Doubt if you and him are fluent in Dutch .:D Holland is a nice place to live though if you are in to drugs and hookers

I wouldn't class either of us to be fluent and never claimed it- just not "ignorant" as referred to by a previous poster.

I didn't enjoy living in Holland but quite like living in The Netherlands. Ireland is also nice to live in if you are into Leprachauns :P :P

tonsiltickler · 29-09-2011 01:31PM

I have to laugh at all this bull about tens of thousands of young Irish people emigrating to Australia, they are not emigrating they are only on a holiday.

Most go for a year/ two years and then seek more permanent visa extensions. I graduated two years ago, I'm the only one from my class left in the country.... Me and the gf have plans to go to germany or sweden in the very near future-permanently.

denhaagenite · 29-09-2011 01:35PM

tonsiltickler wrote: »

Most go for a year/ two years and then seek more permanent visa extensions. I graduated two years ago, I'm the only one from my class left in the country.... Me and the gf have plans to go to germany or sweden in the very near future-permanently.

Good luck and don't forget to visit the "Living Abroad" forum, needs to be used more

melekalikimaka · 29-09-2011 01:45PM

I have not a single friend looking for work, the two i know who left the country went to new york, internal transfers in the banking sector, I see alot in the media bout lack of jobs, I finished in may, walked into a job, unrelated to my degree ( was never a job orintated degree). aside from teachers and nurses where there is stops on employment, I find it hard to swallow these tales of laack of jobs, perhaps its affectiong the slightly older generation who are trying to find new work and youth not on their side, but for young people... there is work in this country if people actually looked properly.

<my personal views from personal experience and observastion, not trollin, just irrate at the martyrdome off some on this thread>

Celly Smunt · 29-09-2011 01:52PM

Emigrating-only happens when Leaving For good,setting up a home and raising a family in another country.

3 year holiday-Going to Australia or Canada for a year,getting plastered and getting 2 year extensions then flying home to mammy

denhaagenite · 29-09-2011 02:00PM

melekalikimaka wrote: »

<my personal views from personal experience and observastion, not trollin, just irrate at the martyrdome off some on this thread>

Agreed, my sis and her husband work in advertising and sales which are reportedly the first things to suffer in a recession. She was made redundant almost three years ago but since advertising is fast paced she almost never spent more than a year in one place and wasn't fazed by this. She works freelance now while looking after house and baby and he's working away quite happily, doing well for himself too.

While they're in negative equity and had hoped to have flogged their apartment in the city to buy a house by now, they've settled for moving out of the city to a rental while renting their place out. More than keeping their heads above water and not moaning about everything.

melekalikimaka · 29-09-2011 02:06PM

denhaagenite wrote: »

Agreed, my sis and her husband work in advertising and sales which are reportedly the first things to suffer in a recession. She was made redundant almost three years ago but since advertising is fast paced she almost never spent more than a year in one place and wasn't fazed by this. She works freelance now while looking after house and baby and he's working away quite happily, doing well for himself too.

While they're in negative equity and had hoped to have flogged their apartment in the city to buy a house by now, they've settled for moving out of the city to a rental while renting their place out. More than keeping their heads above water and not moaning about everything.

cutting the cloth means little to the irish these day

Is mass emigration affecting ireland?

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