LauraLynn Hospice

BrianBoru00 · 27-09-2011 09:48PM #1

Can any one explain to me how the hell this place cost 5 million????
Theres only 8 beds in it.

Does that money cover staff costs as well? because even though I m not an expert in contruction or medicine- Im pretty sure I could have built an 8 bedroom unit for an awful lot less than that..

Kasabian · 27-09-2011 09:51PM

Should it matter that 5 million was spent on it. The good that is being done in there is priceless.

Absurdum · 27-09-2011 09:52PM

I presume they cater for more than the 8 patients - families etc as well. What are you trying to suggest? That they should just throw them into a ghost estate and let them be?

Why not contact them instead of bad-mouthing them here?

http://www.sunshinehome.ie/lauralynn-house.html

super_furry · 27-09-2011 09:53PM

BrianBoru00 wrote: »

Can any one explain to me how the hell this place cost 5 million????
Theres only 8 beds in it.

A hospice for dying children needs a hell of lot more equipment wise than just eight beds.

My name is URL · 27-09-2011 09:54PM

The medical equipment probably accounts for most of the cost. It was all paid for by private donations anyway.

Temptamperu · 27-09-2011 09:55PM

super_furry wrote: »

A hospice for dying children needs a hell of lot more equipment wise than just eight beds.

Really? seems like beds is all they need

galwayrush · 27-09-2011 09:58PM

Thinking about the top banker **** looking for a higher salary cap and some of the obscene pensions some of our nations top failures command, this 5 million is extremely good value.

aidan_walsh · 27-09-2011 09:58PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

Really? seems like beds is all they need

/makes note for Temptamperu's future doctors

even though I m not an expert in contruction or medicine- Im pretty sure I could have built an 8 bedroom unit for an awful lot less than that..

You could, I could and many other people could too. And they'd all be ****.

Princess Peach · 27-09-2011 09:59PM

They may only have 8 patients but the purpose of the hospice is to cater for the patient's families aswell. They have accommodation for them to stay close to the children.

Will · 27-09-2011 10:01PM

Ah yeah kids on their last legs, lets not make their last few days on earth as comfortable and as care free as possible

Crea · 27-09-2011 10:01PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

Really? seems like beds is all they need

Seriously - you really think this???:eek:

galwayrush · 27-09-2011 10:02PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

Really? seems like beds is all they need

WTF are you on about???
Do terminaly ill kids not deserve more for the time they have left than just a bed to die on????

AnonoBoy · 27-09-2011 10:02PM

Yeah a hospice for sick children is what we should be giving out about.

Definitely.

Kevin Duffy · 27-09-2011 10:05PM

Are you being fooled by the term "beds"? You know that's just how the capacity/cost is expressed? A "bed" means a nurse, doctors, equipment etc, not just a flat comfortable piece of furniture to lie on.

mikemac · 27-09-2011 10:08PM

Not knocking the work they do, it's fantastic. Great website too

They have a clinic service manager and that's needed
And they have a CEO, fair enough

And a HR manager?

How many small businesses have a dedicated HR manager?
Ok this isn't a business but to answer the OP, maybe the money is needed as they are top heavy with managers

AnonoBoy · 27-09-2011 10:08PM

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Are you being fooled by the term "beds"? You know that's just how the capacity/cost is expressed? A "bed" means a nurse, doctors, equipment etc, not just a flat comfortable piece of furniture to lie on.

Dictionary says no.

The dictionary can f*ck off though.

Am I right?

Am I RIGHT?

Burn the dictionary!

Kevin Duffy · 27-09-2011 10:15PM

mikemac wrote: »

Not knocking the work they do, it's fantastic. Great website too

They have a clinic service manager and that's needed
And they have a CEO, fair enough

And a HR manager?

How many small businesses have a dedicated HR manager?
Ok this isn't a business but to answer the OP, maybe the money is needed as they are top heavy with managers

For people working in that field, face-to-face with the dying, I think they deserve to have every small detail of their HR needs, as well as all other needs, taken care of to take as much pressure off them as possible. HR, IT, Corporate Services yadda yadda, give them whatever they need, they've enough to be doing.

TheZohanS · 27-09-2011 10:19PM

An idea of costs:

The cost of running the service in 2007 amounted to €5,290,125 of which €3,987,339 represented staff
costs. Non-pay expenses totaling €1,302,786 were incurred chiefly in the areas of capital maintenance,
medical equipment, IT investments, recruitment and overhead costs. In 2007, the service had a total income
of €4,931,810.

In 2009, 70 children and their families benefitted from care with the Children’s Sunshine Home.

We should count ourselves lucky that we've never had to use the service.

Kevin Duffy · 27-09-2011 10:23PM

TheZohan wrote: »

An idea of costs:

In 2009, 70 children and their families benefitted from care with the Children’s Sunshine Home.

We should count ourselves lucky that we've never had to use the service.

€75kish per child to give them the best care they can and take as much pressure as possible off families. Seems like good value for money to me if we have to pay for such a heartbreaking need.

lastlaugh · 27-09-2011 10:29PM

TheZohan wrote: »

An idea of costs:

The cost of running the service in 2007 amounted to €5,290,125 of which €3,987,339 represented staff costs. Non-pay expenses totaling €1,302,786 were incurred chiefly in the areas of capital maintenance,
medical equipment, IT investments, recruitment and overhead costs. In 2007, the service had a total income
of €4,931,810.

In 2009, 70 children and their families benefitted from care with the Children’s Sunshine Home.

We should count ourselves lucky that we've never had to use the service.

I know this is an emotive topic and anything that helps dying children's final days is a sacred thing but why is nearly 4million quid spent on staff costs?

How many staff are there to cater for 8 children?

Kevin Duffy · 27-09-2011 10:31PM

lastlaugh wrote: »

I know this is an emotive topic and anything that helps dying children's final days is a sacred thing but why is nearly 4million quid spent on staff costs?

How many staff are there to cater for 8 children?

8 children at a time.

Micky Dolenz · 27-09-2011 10:32PM

I heard the lady who started it on the radio yesterday. Such a brave and strong soul. we could really do with more people like herself. The will and drive to do good.

When she was talking about her deceased daughters, it really brought a lump to my throat.

I wish Mrs McKenna the best.

galwayrush · 27-09-2011 10:33PM

lastlaugh wrote: »

I know this is an emotive topic and anything that helps dying children's final days is a sacred thing but why is nearly 4million quid spent on staff costs?

How many staff are there to cater for 8 children?

That's still less than one ex top Anglo wanker's pension:rolleyes:

lastlaugh · 27-09-2011 10:35PM

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

8 children at a time.

I know that, but what about the Staff.

TheZohanS · 27-09-2011 10:35PM

lastlaugh wrote: »

I know this is an emotive topic and anything that helps dying children's final days is a sacred thing but why is nearly 4million quid spent on staff costs?

How many staff are there to cater for 8 children?

You'd be talking about 24 hour care 7 days a week, wouldn't take long for it to add up.

Alter-Ego · 27-09-2011 10:37PM

galwayrush wrote: »

That's still less than one ex top Anglo wanker's pension:rolleyes:

You're really pushing the banker angle in this thread. Sh1t's getting old...

lastlaugh · 27-09-2011 10:44PM

TheZohan wrote: »

You'd be talking about 24 hour care 7 days a week, wouldn't take long for it to add up.

So there would be a number of nurses on 12hr shifts to care for the children, say there is 20 nurses @ 60K, that's 1.2million, still another 2.8million on staffing left...

I'm not trying to question the validity of the place, the staffing costs does seem very high though...

LadyMayBelle · 27-09-2011 10:55PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

Really? seems like beds is all they need

Most ridiculous thing I have heard in a long time. The costs will cover not only 'beds' but massively expensive equipment, staffing around the clock which means nurses, doctors, specialists, social workers, dieticians, fundraising and accounts teams, PR, OTs, physios, other complimentary care therapists, care workers and possibly art/play therapists and bereavement and palliative care counsellors, training, resources to make the kids and families feel like they are in a 'home from home' environment, support for families as well as sensory rooms and stuff that will make the quality of life for kids who have terminal illness, somewhat better.

I've worked in a hospice and a family member received care from their services and believe me, 5 million is not a lot of money.

Some people really madden me.

lastlaugh · 27-09-2011 11:08PM

LadyMayBelle wrote: »

Most ridiculous thing I have heard in a long time. The costs will cover not only 'beds' but massively expensive equipment, staffing around the clock which means nurses, doctors, specialists, social workers, dieticians, fundraising and accounts teams, PR, OTs, physios, other complimentary care therapists, care workers and possibly art/play therapists and bereavement and palliative care counsellors, training, resources to make the kids and families feel like they are in a 'home from home' environment, support for families as well as sensory rooms and stuff that will make the quality of life for kids who have terminal illness, somewhat better.

I've worked in a hospice and a family member received care from their services and believe me, 5 million is not a lot of money.

Some people really madden me.

Well that answers my question about staffing costs.

Well said.

joan mack · 27-09-2011 11:14PM

At the end of the day, its the children that matter and to have a child in with a terminal illness is so soul destroying, I hope they get value for money

El Weirdo · 27-09-2011 11:20PM

Hold on. Are people actually begrudging the fact that kids are being let die with a bit of fucking dignity?

And am I right in thinking that this hospice is run from private donations with little, if any, money coming from the public purse?

Jesus fucking Christ. I think I'd actually prefer if we just went back to complaining about what we think disabled people are getting in benefits.

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