90k a year and you can sit on your hole

Crazy Horse 6 · 27-09-2011 01:08PM

Jesus i did'nt see as many threads started when these high ranking civil servent gangsters got away with huge golden handshakes and pensions. Oh sorry i forgot i'm on boards nevermind.

Snakeblood · 27-09-2011 01:09PM

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

Jesus i did'nt see as many threads started when these high ranking civil servent gangsters got away with huge golden handshakes and pensions. Oh sorry i forgot i'm on boards nevermind.

You didn't? There were loads of them.

Logical Fallacy · 27-09-2011 01:10PM

Riskymove wrote: »

the Senator reporting the story is from Donegal

I think people just put two and two together and got 5

Not really, it's more that the previous thread had no link and a jumble of info.

Dymo · 27-09-2011 01:12PM

..Brian.. wrote: »

Without knowing all the details of conditions and medical expenses (does the medical card cover the cost of home renovations for special needs? or things like wheel chairs or other necessary living aids?) its a bit premature to jump to conclusions but in all fairness, 90k a year seems a bit much alright!

Yes the council will build extensions on to houses, pay for rent in a new house while this is been done and pay for the furniture movers to move their goods to and from the house. If a person has a disability like a bad back:rolleyes: they will do all this.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-09-2011 01:13PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

90k a year from the taxpayer's pockets and yet this thread is still full of apologists, sigh. Are you suggesting that there shouldn't be a welfare cap?

Are you suggesting that you know exactly what the medical conditions are and how much they costs?? because if you are please state...

hooradiation · 27-09-2011 01:13PM

Sooopie wrote: »

Are you serious, fcuking BOSNIA & they're getting 90K a year?

Thats a fcuking JOKE, no wonder this country is in the ****ter & all you bleeding heart liberals can jog right on before you get on yer soap boxes :mad::mad::mad:

Yeah, I mean, everyone knows Bosnians aren't people!

speedboatchase · 27-09-2011 01:14PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Are you suggesting that you know exactly what the medical conditions are and how much they costs?? because if you are please state...

No and it's none of my business - there should be a cap nonetheless. There should always be a cap on social welfare payments.

stovelid · 27-09-2011 01:15PM

From having a scan of that article, why are they counting children's allowance as social welfare? And is the payment for a child taken in a fostering allowance?

Is Jimmy going mad primarily because they're bozzies? Or even disbaled bozzies? Or even disabled fostering bozzies?

We need to be told.

Sir Oxman · 27-09-2011 01:15PM

stovelid wrote: »

A brutal and systematic cap on social welfare threads is definitely needed.

Even though I'm like a fly around a heap of shyte with these threads, I agree.
CAP THESE FCKIN THREADS!

Killer Pigeon · 27-09-2011 01:17PM

Yet another example of why I think we need to cut the social welfare once and for all!!

draiochtanois · 27-09-2011 01:19PM

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sbsquarepants · 27-09-2011 01:19PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

No and it's none of my business - there should be a cap nonetheless. There should always be a cap on social welfare payments.

Exactly. I don't care if it's Stephen Hawking's and family - nobody should be getting 90k off the dole, nobody. I heard someone mention that's the equivalent of earning 140k -roughly 4 years average industrial wage!
It's fúcking mental is what it is!

Logical Fallacy · 27-09-2011 01:20PM

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Yet another example of why I think we need to cut the social welfare once and for all!!

Sorry...but in a previous thread after a decent back and forth conversation it transpired that this isn't what you wanted at all.

So why repeat it again if you don't mean it?

stovelid · 27-09-2011 01:23PM

draiochtanois wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Maybe because as a universal payment, every family in the country gets it regardless of whether they work or not?

So perhaps people fulminating about it that receive it themselves is a little fucking dumb would you say?

johnners2981 · 27-09-2011 01:25PM

gambiaman wrote: »

Even though I'm like a fly around a heap of shyte with these threads, I agree.
CAP THESE FCKIN THREADS!

Why read them if it bothers you?

stovelid · 27-09-2011 01:29PM

Did Jimmy ever take this gratuity payment on top of his salary I wonder?

http://www.oceanfm.ie/article/Two-North-West-Senators-among-13-representatives-to-share-in-450000-windfall-/

Would the work involved to get a once-off gratuity payment like that amount to "sitting on one's arse" I wonder?

Obviously I could be wrong and he probably gave it back in keeping with his trenchant sensationalist publicity raking views about wasting public money.

lost marbles · 27-09-2011 01:32PM

stovelid wrote: »

From having a scan of that article, why are they counting children's allowance as social welfare? And is the payment for a child taken in a fostering allowance?

Is Jimmy going mad primarily because they're bozzies? Or even disbaled bozzies? Or even disabled fostering bozzies?

We need to be told.

"jimmy" isnt going mad at any of your suggestions given "jimmy" is mad at the way the system can be exploited [ok i dont know the real situtation in the case in the op ] .but for some family to get 90k a year wether or not their case needs it is just plain stupid .
the system is what "jimmy is mad about .

Jimmy Bottlehead · 27-09-2011 01:38PM

I've been unemployed previously and I had to make do on about €200 a week. I couldn't bring myself to claim all the little extras as all i wanted to do was work again and get off the damned dole as soon as possible.

It's absolutely ****ing SICKENING that these people can earn more than FOUR times what I currently earn, and they don't have to do a thing. Why bother working 40+ hours a week at all?

Same with the tax system - workers get our bollocks taxed off all the time. The harder we work, the more we earn; but in reality, it mostly gets taxed anyways so what's the point?

I genuinely fear for the future of our country when there's so little incentive to work, and so much incentive to scam off the system.

Spudmonkey · 27-09-2011 01:41PM

Both myself and my girlfriend work full time and our combined gross wage doesn't come within an asses roar of 90k. Madness.

Killer Pigeon · 27-09-2011 01:43PM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Sorry...but in a previous thread after a decent back and forth conversation it transpired that this isn't what you wanted at all.

So why repeat it again if you don't mean it?

Edit: A lot of elements of the social welfare need to be eliminated once and for all!

(These include most welfare/grants that aren't related to funding those on the lower end of the stick with health problems/ailments)

Riskymove · 27-09-2011 01:43PM

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

It's absolutely ****ing SICKENING that these people can earn more than FOUR times what I currently earn, and they don't have to do a thing. Why bother working 40+ hours a week at all?

indeed, all you have to do is:

(1) have 6 kids

(2) injure yourself sufficiently (I think paraplegic is best to be sure)to need full-time care by your spouse

(3) ensure at least one of your kids is disabled

and you can then live your life of luxury in your council house in Ballymun

simples

lost marbles · 27-09-2011 01:46PM

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

No bother OP. I could fix you up with some brain damage or a couple of broken vertibrae for a small fee. Shure then you could sit on yer hole too. Would that suit you?

dont you just love those keyboard ninjas . playin street fighter again i take it

:D:D

Jimmy Bottlehead · 27-09-2011 01:47PM

Riskymove wrote: »

indeed, all you have to do is:

(1) have 6 kids

Not our problem they kept having children without a means to support them

Riskymove wrote: »

(2) injure yourself sufficiently (I think paraplegic is best to be sure)to need full-time care by your spouse

I'd be interested to know whether they and / or the children were injured before or after they came to Ireland

Riskymove wrote: »

(3) ensure at least one of your kids is disabled

and you can then live your life of luxury in your council house in Ballymun

simples

Actually, myself and my girlfriend (student nurse) currently live on the outskirts of Ballymun as the rent is reasonable. Needless to say, we don't qualify for lots of benefits (as I work full-time and she works part-time to pay her way through college) so moving to a nicer area isn't possible right now for us.

But yeah, completely fair - two people in their twenties working their nuts off just to keep bills/rent paid, and we could only dream on having the benefits that are handed out in this country.

up for anything · 27-09-2011 01:51PM

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

two people in their twenties working their nuts off just to keep bills/rent paid, and we could only dream on having the benefits that are handed out in this country.

Let's hope that some day you don't get to live your dream. :cool:

Riskymove · 27-09-2011 01:52PM

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Not our problem they kept having children without a means to support them

who said they couldn't support them at the time?

in any event they get the same as anyone else with regard to Child Benfit

I'd be interested to know whether they and / or the children were injured before or after they came to Ireland

a red herring really

I'd be dissapointed if the race issue becomes a big deal. An irish family in the same situation would get the same benefits, that is the point - the system is broken, it appears to duplicate payments

Actually, myself and my girlfriend (student) currently live on the outskirts of Ballymun as the rent is reasonable. Needless to say, we don't qualify for lots of benifits so moving to a nicer area isn't possible right now.

thats your choice though

Son Of A Vidic · 27-09-2011 01:53PM

Well OP, I guarantee he's doing more work than big bucks Marian Finucane. But then you probably didn't see the thread on her. I suppose a bit like you didn't see that there is already a thread on this topic.:rolleyes:

lost marbles · 27-09-2011 01:58PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Well OP, I guarantee he's doing more work than big bucks Marian Finucane. But then you probably didn't see the thread on her. I suppose a bit like you didn't see that there is already a thread on this topic.:rolleyes:

and your point is ?

dav3 · 27-09-2011 02:03PM

What relevance does them being from Bosnia have to do with anything? The Sunday Independant/Daily mail reading knuckle draggers lap this kind of stuff up.

Here's a link to the original article.

http://www.donegaldaily.com/2011/09/26/somfamilies-are-claiming-up-to-e85000-in-social-welfare-payments-harte/

Not much difference in the articles apart from the parts

“It doesn’t matter if this family is from Bosnia or Bundoran – this is far too much"

Why are people from the department of social welfare in Dublin leaking information to someone in Donegal?

I have no idea about these additional benefits, but if you're on minimum wage or earning 100k a year and you pass the means test then surely you should be entitled to the same benefits.

Anyway, we have this s**** every year in the run up to every budget. Every week there's a story planted in the news. Up next, the public service and low/minimum wage workers.

Jimmy Bottlehead · 27-09-2011 02:06PM

Riskymove wrote: »

who said they couldn't support them at the time?

in any event they get the same as anyone else with regard to Child Benfit

If parents can't afford to keep children, don't keep having more. Easy. These people are both unemployed, and have six kids. Something not right there.
And I'd be in the camp that Children's Allowance should be means-tested.

Riskymove wrote: »

a red herring really

I'd be dissapointed if the race issue becomes a big deal. An irish family in the same situation would get the same benefits, that is the point - the system is broken, it appears to duplicate payments

I'd have almost as much anger towards an Irish family - we all know a family with parents who refuse to work, and sponge off the state. However, it irks me even more when people from other countries come in and can claim through the nose on our social welfare system.
A lot of other countries will simply not support or help those who have not been born there or contributed to the country in any fashion. If those parents worked here for 10 years before having to claim, I'd not have a problem in them getting a hand from the state.
But for people to claim having never given ANYTHING to the system they take from? No. Just no.

Riskymove wrote: »

thats your choice though

Not really - It'd be nice to move somewhere else but quite frankly it's not within our financial situation right now. What would you have us do? If we have a choice (as you claim), I'm waiting to hear what else we could do.

gigino · 27-09-2011 02:09PM

lost marbles wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/call-for-welfare-pay-cap-as-couple-claim-90k-a-year-168808.html#ixzz1Z9BAlJUe

90k a year from the state :eek::eek: .makes you wonder whos the feckin eejits getting out there and slogging their asses off in jobs for a third of what these are getting sitting on their holes .

You cannot blame every other family in Bosnia and every other country in the world wanting to come to this banana republc for such ridiculous handouts. No wonder the country is bust / the IMF are here.

90k a year and you can sit on your hole

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