Gaddafi and the IRA (ITV 1)

Guy:Incognito · 27-09-2011 12:18AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Sure Fianna Fail tried to get a loan from him some time last year

http://www.news.com.au/business/ireland-sought-libyan-bailout/story-fn7mjon9-1226013196144

And everyone gave out about it. Looks like they were well ahead of the pack. Would have been free money.:)

KeithAFC · 27-09-2011 12:20AM

K-9 wrote: »

World in Action was a brilliant programme. Tbh, it was the SAS, what did people expect and they fought fairly in my opinion. The IRA were going to bomb innocent people in Gibraltar.The programme exposed the cover up by the British establishment though brilliantly. If they'd had have been honest from the start I doubt much would have been made of it.

As for the Stone murders and Milltown lynching after that, shocking viewing as a 15 year old. Would have been Republican for a while after that until I copped the futility and pointlessness of the campaign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF6Zawz7geo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF6Zawz7geo

Mad, mad week in NI and should be shown as LC History, unfortunately more to come after that, Shankill, Greysteel trick or treat, IRA "tiger kidnaps" involving bombs!

Never fecking again. People give out about politics, it can work.

Michael Stone said he could have shot Gerry Or Martin in the church but they had kids on their laps. Very violent times but that is what it was like.

Chuck Stone · 27-09-2011 12:24AM

dasdog wrote: »

Because true to form they own goaled in 1974 in Birmingham and Guildford.

That's not really an explanation though...

Ironically that one act act of violence Canary Wharf probably saved hundreds of lives in the long term.

It definately seems as if it put urgencey into the peace process. I think that loyalists were prevented from marching the Garvahy road the following year and that was a message sayin 'sort this out or continue to be marginalised'.

K-9 · 27-09-2011 12:25AM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I can't see your vids K-9. Can you put them in standard click links please?

Fixed.

K-9 · 27-09-2011 12:31AM

brummytom wrote: »

Yep. I voted 'Valid Programme' before I watched it.

I think my facebook status sums up my problem with this programme:
"So according to ITV, Gaddafi's a monster for helping the IRA; but it's perfectly acceptable for the British to help Libyan 'rebels'? Propagandist shite"

One doesn't negate the other. Examine both individually and come to your own conclusions, not "well the Brits are as bad". Excuses and they did this, prolonged things for far too long.

dasdog · 27-09-2011 12:32AM

Leaving a bomb in a suitcase in a busy pub in England and throwing a bomb through the window of another becuase it was sometimes frequented by soldiers killing people just enjoying a night out was seriously detrimental and lost them a lot of sympathy here.

Canary Wharf was more of an attack on the UK state.

R P McMurphy · 27-09-2011 12:33AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Michael Stone said he could have shot Gerry Or Martin in the church but they had kids on their laps. Very violent times but that is what it was like.

How long did he get sent down for this time? Couldn't make his story up: complete rampage, imprisoned, released, doing pretty well with the art, man of peace and then tries to go on the rampage again but this time claims it was performance art. Definitely one last twist left in his tale

Chuck Stone · 27-09-2011 12:37AM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

claims it was performance art

Performance art is pretty brutal at the best of times. :pac:

KeithAFC · 27-09-2011 12:41AM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

How long did he get sent down for this time? Couldn't make his story up: complete rampage, imprisoned, released, doing pretty well with the art, man of peace and then tries to go on the rampage again but this time claims it was performance art. Definitely one last twist left in his tale

lol. I doubt it. He can't walk without a stick.:pac:

R P McMurphy · 27-09-2011 12:42AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

lol. I doubt it. He can't walk without a stick.:pac:

Why what happened to him?

K-9 · 27-09-2011 12:49AM

dasdog wrote: »

Leaving a bomb in a suitcase in a busy pub in England and throwing a bomb through the window of another becuase it was sometimes frequented by soldiers killing people just enjoying a night out was seriously detrimental and lost them a lot of sympathy here.

Canary Wharf was more of an attack on the UK state.

Canary Wharf?

Warrenpoint was an attack on the British army and even the British military could admit it was well planned and achieved its target. Te first bomb got its target and the second was intelligently planned to target the recovery positions. The IRA could plan intelligent targets against occupying forces when they wanted to. Canary Wharf?

R P McMurphy wrote: »

How long did he get sent down for this time? Couldn't make his story up: complete rampage, imprisoned, released, doing pretty well with the art, man of peace and then tries to go on the rampage again but this time claims it was performance art. Definitely one last twist left in his tale

Bizarre character. He was on a reconciliation programme BBC NI showed.

nice_very · 27-09-2011 12:56AM

damn, and I thought KeithAFC was coming round a bit early on in the thread.. still waters run deep I suppose..

funny the timing of airing this.. with a certain election around the corner, and a certain candidate high in the running.... will there be a similar programme on thatcher/pinochet etc etc etc etc etc before the next election in britain?

Sunnyisland · 27-09-2011 08:23AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Interesting with how they mixed it in with the programme. Everyone knows Gaddafi was an IRA supporter.

He also had talks with Ulster loyalists,not a lot of people know or want to know that.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=13&ved=0CCcQFjACOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fthegreatunrest.net%2F2011%2F02%2F25%2Fcolonel-gaddafi-and-the-uda%2F&ei=FXmBTvrGFuit0QW26KSsAQ&usg=AFQjCNHasEZ0uPreC2EcZzVctVVDvExgtQ

Fratton Fred · 27-09-2011 09:34AM

round tower huntsman wrote: »

irish seperatists have been planting bombs in england since the fenian times. semtex just allowed em to make bigger bangs. there was a bobming campaign in england in the 70's.

the canary warf bomb was just so big it shocked the brits, i think the fenians tried a similar job when the tried to burn down liverpool docks, docks being as important an economic target at that time as canary warf 100 yrs later.

The first fatal bomb attack in England was the 1939 Coventry bomb I think.

Imho, the Bishopsgate bomb shocked people more, mainly because there was a feeling that there was a chance of peace. The Canary Wharf bomb was seen more as just the IRA carrying out a bomb attack because they could.

Ultimately, both attacks made it more difficult for politicians to talk to Sinn Fein.

Butterbox · 27-09-2011 09:49AM

Faked footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6r-kNct630

LondonIrish90 · 27-09-2011 10:52AM

brummytom wrote: »

Yep. I voted 'Valid Programme' before I watched it.

I think my facebook status sums up my problem with this programme:
"So according to ITV, Gaddafi's a monster for helping the IRA; but it's perfectly acceptable for the British to help Libyan 'rebels'? Propagandist shite"

So you cannot see any difference at all between the cause of the Libyans and the IRA? Not their targets for a start? Not the most basic of their aims? Not the intentions of those giving international assistance? Your views are more warped than you let on tom.

Wolfe Tone · 27-09-2011 10:53AM

Butterbox wrote: »

Faked footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6r-kNct630

What a bunch of fools ITV are. Utterly crap program.

LondonIrish90 · 27-09-2011 10:54AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Pretty crap so far tbh, innacurate and not exactly balanced, getting onto the dissident bit now, which I suspect is bollocks, sure as hell cant trust MI6, sounds like scarmongering to me.

And how is your one man campaign against the Secret Intelligence Service going so far?

Wolfe Tone · 27-09-2011 10:54AM

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

So you cannot see any difference at all between the cause of the Libyans and the IRA? Not their targets for a start? Not the most basic of their aims? Not the intentions of those giving international assistance? Your views are more warped than you let on tom.

Could have sworn the Nato bombings were killing lots of civillians, as well as the Libyan rebels themselves...

Wolfe Tone · 27-09-2011 10:55AM

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

And how is your one man campaign against the Secret Intelligence Service going so far?

You are a fool if you believe "Mi6 sources".

Fratton Fred · 27-09-2011 11:25AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

What a bunch of fools ITV are. Utterly crap program.

Tbh, you weren't even born when most of this **** was going on, so what makes you an expert?

ItsAWindUp · 27-09-2011 11:26AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Tbh, you weren't even born when most of this **** was going on, so what makes you an expert?

I wasn't alive for the Famine, is it impossible for me to study up on that and become an expert?

Wolfe Tone · 27-09-2011 11:28AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Tbh, you weren't even born when most of this **** was going on, so what makes you an expert?

I think passing off footage from a video games as the IRA shooting down a Brit helicopter qualifies the program as being crap, and ITV being fools, don't you?

People cant have opinions on stuff they may not have been alive for? Dont be stupid, you are content to try and explain away your prescious former empires past, you dont see me saying that your opinions on the famine etc are bollocks because you werent alive then. Grow up.

Fratton Fred · 27-09-2011 12:00PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I think passing off footage from a video games as the IRA shooting down a Brit helicopter qualifies the program as being crap, and ITV being fools, don't you?

People cant have opinions on stuff they may not have been alive for? Dont be stupid, you are content to try and explain away your prescious former empires past, you dont see me saying that your opinions on the famine etc are bollocks because you werent alive then. Grow up.

Yeah, a bit stupid, but why, "As sure as hell" can you not trust MI6 sources?

When these MI6 sources comfirmed the **** up over the Omagh bomb, their word was gospel. Now they say something you don't like we can't trust them.

Keep an open mind, the IRA were not the romantic idealistic freedom fighters you think.

ejmaztec · 27-09-2011 01:13PM

I thought it was lightweight, general and impartial, and I don't see a problem with MI6 sources. The only bias that I noticed was that dissident republicans had more of a say in getting their message across, whereas the ones involved in the peace process weren't given the opportunity to diss the dissidents.

oceanclub · 27-09-2011 04:43PM

Considering it's a program that confuses computer game footage downloaded from Youtube with reality, it's hard to take any of its claims seriously:

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/09/27/itv-documentary-cant-tell-the-difference-between-gaming-and-reality-mistakes-arma-2-for-secret-ira-film

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/itv-accused-of-using-arma-2-game-footage-in-ira-doc-1029776

P.

27-09-2011 05:48PM

Cna we add a "well intentioned, but sensationalist" option to the poll?

Cos they just kneakapped thar own foot thar hay

K-9 · 27-09-2011 05:49PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

You are a fool if you believe "Mi6 sources".

That would also apply to believing IRA sources.

stovelid · 27-09-2011 06:00PM

I'd watch a programme on his links to anybody including the IRA or states like Britain with equal interest and an equally open mind.

But then again, I'm not a rabidly partisan imbecile which tends to help.

Benny_Cake · 27-09-2011 06:02PM

oceanclub wrote: »

Considering it's a program that confuses computer game footage downloaded from Youtube with reality, it's hard to take any of its claims seriously:

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/09/27/itv-documentary-cant-tell-the-difference-between-gaming-and-reality-mistakes-arma-2-for-secret-ira-film

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/itv-accused-of-using-arma-2-game-footage-in-ira-doc-1029776

P.

If you need any further illustration of how far ITV has fallen in the quality of their programming,this is it.This is a channel that once produced excellent documentaries such as World in Action and This Week.They should stick to making X Factor and "dramas" starring Martin Clunes (they all star Martin Clunes for some reason).

Gaddafi and the IRA (ITV 1)

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