Gaddafi and the IRA (ITV 1)

stewie01

Similar to the master of preeminent strikes, George W, i thought I'd get the ball rolling on the subject matter of Exposure; Gaddafi and the IRA (insert menacing music running in the background here), showing tonight on ITV 10.35.

I'm sure with all the self loathing Irish apologists (just an observation) that seem to swamp this site, ITV will have a captive audience no doubt.

My question to you (yes i mean you) ; would ITV not be better off making a more up-to-date current affairs programme about Gaddafi, such as say Gaddafi and his relationship with previous UK governments such as Tony Blair, or Gaddafi and how the SAS trained his Elite army's in suppressing the Libyan population for the last ? years, only stopping as recently as 6 months before the uprising, or the UK governments arms deals to Gaddafi to suppress these people or how they turned a blind eye to his endless human rights abuses in return for oil???


To me the list is endless on what ITV could have made their programme on, but yet again choose to drum up some anti Irish propaganda nonsense from an era that we are trying to move on from, to deflect attention away from the dirty murky world of UK Government foreign policy and the lengths they go for the ''national interest''.

Thoughts anyone??



P.s I posted in AH instead of TV to get a more realistic representation of boards, if you want to move it somewhere else, please not tv section. maybe conspiracy theories

mackg

What exactly is the relationship? If it is just that they got guns off him it's hardly surprising is it, they could hardly have just sent in an order to Smith and Wesson could they?

Biggins

stewie01 wrote: »

...Thoughts anyone??

Yea, this won't end well I suspect.

LondonIrish90

You say yet again, but I am struggling to remember the last time ITV decided to drum up anti-irish propaganda.

Anyway, if you are looking for publications on Libya's relationships with western nations then there are countless books, journals and documentaries floating around. You are just being lazy if you are relying on a mainstream TV station to inform you of different aspects of these relationships. Get yourself to a university library if it bothers you so much.

Ghandee

Chucky ar ali baba!

Fratton Fred

stewie01 wrote: »

Similar to the master of preeminent strikes, George W, i thought I'd get the ball rolling on the subject matter of Exposure; Gaddafi and the IRA (insert menacing music running in the background here), showing tonight on ITV 10.35.

I'm sure with all the self loathing Irish apologists (just an observation) that seem to swamp this site, ITV will have a captive audience no doubt.

My question to you (yes i mean you) ; would ITV not be better off making a more up-to-date current affairs programme about Gaddafi, such as say Gaddafi and his relationship with previous UK governments such as Tony Blair, or Gaddafi and how the SAS trained his Elite army's in suppressing the Libyan population for the last ? years, only stopping as recently as 6 months before the uprising, or the UK governments arms deals to Gaddafi to suppress these people or how they turned a blind eye to his endless human rights abuses in return for oil???


To me the list is endless on what ITV could have made their programme on, but yet again choose to drum up some anti Irish propaganda nonsense from an era that we are trying to move on from, to deflect attention away from the dirty murky world of UK Government foreign policy and the lengths they go for the ''national interest''.

Thoughts anyone??



P.s I posted in AH instead of TV to get a more realistic representation of boards, if you want to move it somewhere else, please not tv section. maybe conspiracy theories

It would be a crap programme, because very little happened.

Now, if you dragged the French into it.......

Dionysus

I look forward to ITV's exposé on Mrs Thatcher's support, at the same time, for the Indonesian genocide of East Timor ... or her support for the fascist dictator in Chile... or her support for the Apartheid régime in South Africa or....

dvpower

How is it that,so far, 100% have voted this, yet to be aired programme, as British propoganda?

ejmaztec

Everybody's been in bed with Gaddafi over the years, everybody except me that is.

LondonIrish90

Alternatively OP, you could just stop watching foreign tv if it offends you.

mackg

Also it's stupid to slate the programme without having seen it, I will reserve my vote in the poll for later.

BBDBB

dvpower wrote: »

How is it that,so far, 100% have voted this, yet to be aired programme, as British propoganda?

because they just know

ItsAWindUp

Will this be available to watch online afterwards?

dvpower

ejmaztec wrote: »

Everybody's been in bed with Gaddafi over the years, everybody except me that is.

Don't worry. He is NOT a gentle lover.:mad:

Chuck Stone

So Gaddafi gave weapons to the IRA and the British gave them to the loyalist murder gangs.

Who's worse?

The weapons issue is mostly bluster anyway because the IRA's most effective weapon was the home made fertilizer bomb.

mackg

Dionysus wrote: »

I look forward to ITV's exposé on Mrs Thatcher's support, at the same time, for the Indonesian genocide of East Timor ... or her support for the fascist dictator in Chile... or her support for the Apartheid régime in South Africa or....

If ITV are going to make programmes about the IRA and Gadaffi maybe RTE should be making the above.

ejmaztec

dvpower wrote: »

How is it that,so far, 100% have voted this, yet to be aired programme, as British propoganda?

Rampant paranoia.

Dionysus

dvpower wrote: »

How is it that,so far, 100% have voted this, yet to be aired programme, as British propoganda?

Perhaps because the purpose of voting is to annoy all the right people - e.g. people who buy the Sunday Independent etc?

Chuck Stone

Dionysus wrote: »

I look forward to ITV's exposé on Mrs Thatcher's support, at the same time, for the Indonesian genocide of East Timor ... or her support for the fascist dictator in Chile... or her support for the Apartheid régime in South Africa or....

Don't forget how she used the British security apparatus to find her gormless son who got lost in the desert.

Imagine how many kittens that mon£y would have vaccinated?

ejmaztec

dvpower wrote: »

Don't worry. He is NOT a gentle lover.:mad:

I understand that his bed has been reclaimed by the Libyan people so they can use it for a new football pitch.

My name is URL

Sure Fianna Fail tried to get a loan from him some time last year

http://www.news.com.au/business/ireland-sought-libyan-bailout/story-fn7mjon9-1226013196144

I doubt there's many western Nations that weren't in bed with Gaddafi at some point

alchemist33

I don't see why the OP regards a programme about the IRA's dealings as "anti-Irish."

ejmaztec

My name is URL wrote: »

Sure Fianna Fail tried to get a loan from him some time last year

http://www.news.com.au/business/ireland-sought-libyan-bailout/story-fn7mjon9-1226013196144

I doubt there's many western Nations that weren't in bed with Gaddafi at some point

He had to have his waistband extended because he couldn't get enough heads down the back of his pants.

KeithAFC

alchemist33 wrote: »

I don't see why the OP regards a programme about the IRA's dealings as "anti-Irish."

The IRA fought for the Irish people? I think that is what the OP meant. Irish freedom fighters some would say.

willmunny1990

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4S3mr2YY08&feature=player_detailpage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA1exvA8grk&feature=player_detailpage

super_furry

stewie01 wrote: »

I'm sure with all the self loathing Irish apologists (just an observation)

Not a very good one, was it? Care to try again? Maybe throw in a few 'west Brit' slurs too? If it's good enough for Marty.....

Fratton Fred

alchemist33 wrote: »

I don't see why the OP regards a programme about the IRA's dealings as "anti-Irish."

Because apparently Irish people are supposed to be grateful to the IRA for murdering people in their name.

super_furry

alchemist33 wrote: »

I don't see why the OP regards a programme about the IRA's dealings as "anti-Irish."

Because anything remotely critical of the IRA terrorists or Sinn Fein is obviously anti-Irish. I mean if it's not Sinn Fein, it's not Irish, right?

Anyway aren't we all supposed to just forget anything they did pre-the Good Friday agreement, while still harping on about 800 years?

Zebra3

Maybe they'll run a programme on Britain's links to Libya.

Maybe about Blair being over there lobbying for JP Morgan or his "help" in those looking to steal gas off the coast of Palestine.

Latchy

alchemist33 wrote: »

I don't see why the OP regards a programme about the IRA's dealings as "anti-Irish."

Correct .

The programme is just one of a six part series called '' Exposure '' exploring current affairs and nothing to do with any anti-Irish slant at all .

orourkeda

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

You say yet again, but I am struggling to remember the last time ITV decided to drum up anti-irish propaganda.

Anyway, if you are looking for publications on Libya's relationships with western nations then there are countless books, journals and documentaries floating around. You are just being lazy if you are relying on a mainstream TV station to inform you of different aspects of these relationships. Get yourself to a university library if it bothers you so much.

Isnlt it anti Libyan propoganda given that they are trying to oust its leader

Dudess

Don't get how this could be deemed anti Irish - it's about stuff that happened is all...

Dionysus wrote: »

I look forward to ITV's exposé on Mrs Thatcher's support, at the same time, for the Indonesian genocide of East Timor ... or her support for the fascist dictator in Chile... or her support for the Apartheid régime in South Africa or....

In the late 80s, ITV attempted to air a documentary outlining the events leading up to the Gibraltar shootings, but Maggie tried to put a stop to it on the grounds of it being "trial by media" (of the SAS).

Benny_Cake

stewie01 wrote: »

My question to you (yes i mean you) ; would ITV not be better off making a more up-to-date current affairs programme about Gaddafi, such as say Gaddafi and his relationship with previous UK governments such as Tony Blair, or Gaddafi and how the SAS trained his Elite army's in suppressing the Libyan population for the last ? years, only stopping as recently as 6 months before the uprising, or the UK governments arms deals to Gaddafi to suppress these people or how they turned a blind eye to his endless human rights abuses in return for oil???

In case you're interested Channel 4 are running a documentary about Tony Blair's business dealings,including his trips to Libya,right at this very moment.So the British propoganda machine isn't much of a machine except in your mind really.I would say that of course given that I hate Ireland:rolleyes:

KeithAFC

Dudess wrote: »

Don't get how this could be deemed anti Irish - it's about stuff that happened is all...

In the late 80s, ITV attempted to air a documentary outlining the events leading up to the Gibraltar shootings, but Maggie tried to put a stop to it on the grounds of it being "trial by media" (of the SAS).

Thatcher should not have tried to stop it.

willmunny1990

Dudess wrote: »

Don't get how this could be deemed anti Irish - it's about stuff that happened is all...

In the late 80s, ITV attempted to air a documentary outlining the events leading up to the Gibraltar shootings, but Maggie tried to put a stop to it on the grounds of it being "trial by media" (of the SAS).

Thatcher was just a big a c*nt as any IRA member, Thatcher has left her own share of blood on the floor IMO.

Dudess

Falklands and being mates with Pinochet - pretty atrocious.

Benny_Cake

Dudess wrote: »

Don't get how this could be deemed anti Irish - it's about stuff that happened is all...

In the late 80s, ITV attempted to air a documentary outlining the events leading up to the Gibraltar shootings, but Maggie tried to put a stop to it on the grounds of it being "trial by media" (of the SAS).

Whatever someone's position on the North,"Death on the Rock" was a brilliant piece of investigative journalism,thanks for the link!

Dudess

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Whatever someone's position on the North,"Death on the Rock" was a brilliant piece of investigative journalism,thanks for the link!

Oh the execution of those British soldiers was horrific, but that doesn't mean shoot-to-kill by the SAS is justifiable either - a very balanced examination.

Wolfe Tone

What a terrible thread, the program is about him giving cash to anti gfa republicans, 2 million or so, this year.

It cites M16 sources, so its probably bollocks. They will be showing a dissident training video too.

If you followed me on twitter you would know all this!

KeithAFC

He give the dissidents 2 million? They are still around in more ways than one.

Chuck Stone

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

They will be showing a dissident training video too.

I hope they aren't using monkey bars like those guys in Afghanistan or we could be in for trouble.

Wolfe Tone

Anyone else watching?

brummytom

Yep. I voted 'Valid Programme' before I watched it.


I think my facebook status sums up my problem with this programme:
"So according to ITV, Gaddafi's a monster for helping the IRA; but it's perfectly acceptable for the British to help Libyan 'rebels'? Propagandist shite"

Feisar

Chuck Stone wrote: »

So Gaddafi gave weapons to the IRA and the British gave them to the loyalist murder gangs.

Who's worse?

The weapons issue is mostly bluster anyway because the IRA's most effective weapon was the home made fertilizer bomb.

Fertilizer or the bi product ammonium nitrate is very stable. A plastic high explosive is needed to set it off. Semtex being the one used mostly be the IRA. I don't know if it was Gaddafi they got it from.

Wolfe Tone

Pretty crap so far tbh, innacurate and not exactly balanced, getting onto the dissident bit now, which I suspect is bollocks, sure as hell cant trust MI6, sounds like scarmongering to me.

mike65

stewie01 wrote: »

P.s I posted in AH instead of TV to get a more realistic representation of boards, if you want to move it somewhere else, please not tv section. maybe conspiracy theories

Yeah right.

Feisar

I always find it funny when small groups are branded terrorists but sovereign nations seem to get a free pass when it comes to acts of terror. Weird.

If one group holds something by force its fairly reasonable to expect the other group to try to take it back by force. To put it in lay terms, "like lads what were ye expecting???"

Wolfe Tone

They show riots in Ardoyne but no mention of the attempted pogrom in short strand. That, and the police reaction(none) has done more than anything else recently to validate Martin Meehan and cos opinions, what a load of ****e that program was, propaganda with nothing substantive, message was that gadaffi is a baddie and the paddies are coming to get you with his help

brummytom

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

They show riots in Ardoyne but no mention of the attempted pogrom in short strand. That, and the police reaction(none) has done more than anything else recently to validate Martin Meehan and cos opinions, what a load of ****e that program was, propaganda with nothing substantive, message was that gadaffi is a baddie and the paddies are coming to get you with his help

Yeah... it's just the kind of thing the Irish communities in the UK need.


'In this series of 'Reeling in the Years', the 1980s. Or is it the 2010s? We can't tell'

KeithAFC

Thought it was good. Told us what we already knew with the IRA. The ardoyne footage was interesting. Good programme from ITV IMO.

Wolfe Tone

KeithAFC wrote: »

Thought it was good. Told us what we already knew with the IRA. The ardoyne footage was interesting. Good programme from ITV IMO.

If I said it was brilliant you would say it was sh!te, the ardoyne footage lasted literally 1 second ffs