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Exams - drug testing beforehand?

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  • #32
    smk89
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭smk89


    What's wrong with taking intelligence aiding drugs? If you want rocket boots, hover cars and hover trousers we have a better chance with them.
    I'm for putting them in the water. The only downside would be scum getting more intelligent and robbing you better.


  • #33
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    meoklmrk91 wrote: »
    And this is scientifically proven?

    ADHD is a myth, yes. It's common knowledge that met drugs increase mental performance. No specific citation required.


  • #34
    meoklmrk91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,083 ✭✭✭meoklmrk91


    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    ADHD is a myth, yes. It's common knowledge that met drugs increase mental performance. No specific citation required.

    Okay so just to clarify, ADD and ADHD are a myth and everyone should be drug tested for performance enhancing drugs before a state examination?


  • #35
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    meoklmrk91 wrote: »
    Okay so just to clarify, ADD and ADHD are a myth and everyone should be drug tested for performance enhancing drugs before a state examination?

    Yes.


  • #36
    PseudoFamous
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭PseudoFamous


    meoklmrk91 wrote: »
    Okay so just to clarify, ADD and ADHD are a myth?
    They can usually be prevented/eliminated/drastically-reduced by a reduction in sugars and fat in the diet, actually.


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  • #37
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    PseudoFamous wrote: »
    They can usually be prevented by a reduction in sugars and fat in the diet, actually.

    In my day, a wooden spoon was usually sufficient.


  • #38
    meoklmrk91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,083 ✭✭✭meoklmrk91


    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    Yes.

    And the mythological:rolleyes: ADD and ADHD have what to do with this subject?


  • #39
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    meoklmrk91 wrote: »
    And the mythological:rolleyes: ADD and ADHD have what to do with this subject?

    These pseudo conditions are used to justify the prescription of these drugs. It's marketing pushed as legitimate scientific enquiry, minus the science. OT though.


  • #40
    Lukker-
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    meoklmrk91 wrote: »
    And the mythological:rolleyes: ADD and ADHD have what to do with this subject?

    Drugs that are prescribed to people with them are given drugs such as Adderal, which will boost concentration.


  • #41
    Fremen
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    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    ADHD is a myth, yes.

    Sorry, you lose.


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  • #42
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    Fremen wrote: »
    Sorry, you lose.

    Prove the ADHD disease hypothesis. My position is the default. Something ain't real until proven otherwise.


  • #43
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    Enforced limits on those drugs and an outright ban on crap like ritalin.

    That is such bull****. Are you saying tobacco and caffeine aren't 'real' drugs or something?

    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    These pseudo conditions are used to justify the prescription of these drugs. It's marketing pushed as legitimate scientific enquiry, minus the science. OT though.
    Live with an autistic person before you decide ADHD doesn't exist.


  • #44
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    That is such bull****. Are you saying tobacco and caffeine aren't 'real' drugs or something?



    Live with an autistic person before you decide ADHD doesn't exist.

    All drugs are "real". The effects vary though.


  • #45
    meoklmrk91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,083 ✭✭✭meoklmrk91


    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    These pseudo conditions are used to justify the prescription of these drugs. It's marketing pushed as legitimate scientific enquiry, minus the science. OT though.

    Fair enough, seems a little strong to say that these conditions do not exist though, there are many people out there who have to deal with these conditions on a day to day basis and I am sure they would not appreciate your saying that their condition is a myth. I will however agree that drugs like adderall and ritalin are often prescribed too quickly when a change of diet or other kinds of therapy may have better effects, drugs are sometimes needed to help when all other options are exhausted.


  • #46
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    That is such bull****. Are you saying tobacco and caffeine aren't 'real' drugs or something?



    Live with an autistic person before you decide ADHD doesn't exist.

    Autism exists. ADHD is Bull****. I made a mistake though, a disease can exist in nature without discovery. However, a strong scientific basis for any claim should be provided.


  • #47
    PseudoFamous
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭PseudoFamous


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    Live with an autistic person before you decide ADHD doesn't exist.
    Eh.. Autism and ADHD aren't the same thing.


  • #48
    Pete M.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Pete M.


    I remember smoking a bong before an exam once and getting a B.

    It was more like a performance-reducing drug though.

    They should just ban drugs I say.


  • #49
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    Pete M. wrote: »
    They should just ban drugs I say.

    $$$


  • #50
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    PseudoFamous wrote: »
    Eh.. Autism and ADHD aren't the same thing.

    My bad, I misread it. Regardless though, not all conditions are just obvious symptoms you can trace, particularly not mental conditions. They deemed many people to be just insane 30 years ago when they didn't see obvious symptoms, don't just dismiss ADHD.


  • #51
    Insect Overlord
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,263 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    I've seen some stupid threads in my time, but this one ranks right up there as one of the very worst. Bravo, OP. You've introduced us all to a new and exhilarating stratum of preposterous ideas.


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  • #52
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    don't just dismiss ADHD.

    Without a sufficient basis for it's existence, I am afaid I will have to disagree. Autism is well documented in comparison.


  • #53
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    Insect Overlord wrote: »
    I've seen some stupid threads in my time, but this one ranks right up there as one of the very worst. Bravo, OP. You've introduced us all to a new and exhilarating stratum of preposterous ideas.

    Here is a gold star.


  • #54
    raah!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,629 ✭✭✭raah!


    Why don't you just study more and not cry about people who did better than you but you'd still like to feel intellectually superior to.


  • #55
    Pete M.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Pete M.


    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    Here is a gold star.

    Hold on now. What if Insect Overlord was on drugs when they typed that?

    Do they still get a star?

    Is this a test? :eek:

    Cos if it is I'm ready...:pac:


  • #56
    Plautus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭Plautus


    Without a sufficient basis for it's existence, I am afaid I will have to disagree. Autism is well documented in comparison.

    All you've done so far is shift the burden of proof onto everyone else in a pretty transparent attempt to avoid revealing that you probably have nothing other than a hunch that ADHD doesn't exist. Or let's call it a gut feeling. Grrr, excuse used by maladjusted brats and their overbearing mothers! Grrr. Psychiatry? Hah! And let's not get you started on the flouridation of water, eh?

    I mean, a person who believes the diagnosis and epidemiology to be bunkum might like to be conscientious and share their insights with the rest of us. You'd be doing us a favour.

    But hey, I'll go with a hunch right here - what do you know?


  • #57
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    raah! wrote: »
    Why don't you just study more and not cry about people who did better than you but you'd still like to feel intellectually superior to.

    Because I already aced em. I tend to not make presumptions about random assholes on the internet. Congrats, you're average.


  • #58
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    Plautus wrote: »
    All you've done so far is shift the burden of proof onto everyone else in a pretty transparent attempt to avoid revealing that you probably have nothing other than a hunch that ADHD doesn't exist. Or let's call it a gut feeling. Grrr, excuse used by maladjusted brats and their overbearing mothers! Grrr. Psychiatry? Hah! And let's not get you started on the flouridation of water, eh?

    I mean, a person who believes the diagnosis and epidemiology to be bunkum might like to be conscientious and share their insights with the rest of us. You'd be doing us a favour.

    But hey, I'll go with a hunch right here - what do you know?

    I don't think you understand the concept of Scientific enquiry. A hypothesis is exactly that.


  • #59
    Pete M.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Pete M.


    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    Because I already aced em. I tend to not make presumptions about random assholes on the internet. Congrats, you're average.

    Should that not be "ace'd"?


  • #60
    Plautus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭Plautus


    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    I don't think you understand the concept of Scientific enquiry. A hypothesis is exactly that.

    Nice try. Here's the thing. We know that ADHD is in psychiatric diagnostic manuals, is recognised by therapists, doctors and other health care professionals, and there are drugs prescribed apparently to treat it.

    Now, call me silly here, but if you want to up-end this consensus (and that's perfectly possible to do), you might need to do more than sit back on your ass and tell us: You! Monkeys! Do my work for me! Big Pharma! Psychiatry! There is no evidence because I say so! MURRR.

    It's just that, on the face of it, denying the existence of ADHD and not bothering to adduce even some cursory support for your claim is laziness. At least put a pony into this race - y'know, like an argument.


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  • #61
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    Plautus wrote: »
    Nice try. Here's the thing. We know that ADHD is in psychiatric diagnostic manuals, is recognised by therapists, doctors and other health care professionals, and there are drugs prescribed apparently to treat it.

    Now, call me silly here, but if you want to up-end this consensus (and that's perfectly possible to do), you might need to do more than sit back on your ass and tell us: You! Monkeys! Do my work for me! Big Pharma! Psychiatry! There is no evidence because I say so! MURRR.

    It's just that, on the face of it, denying the existence of ADHD and not bothering to adduce even some cursory support for your claim is laziness. At least put a pony into this race - y'know, like an argument.

    You have DADH my friend. I say so, because it's true. Trust the pharma research without question.


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