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NASA say defunct satellite due to plunge to earth

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    shedweller wrote: »
    Probably an obvious question but do airliners flying in a known re-entry zone have to redirect when something like this happens?

    Irish Aviation Authority have issued this under their NAV WARNINGS :
    NAV WRNG - RESEARCH SATELLITE DE-ORBIT. DEBRIS MAY IMPACT THROUGH
    AIRSPACE INCLUDING SHANNON FIR/UIR AND SOTA SOUTH OF 552500N. ALL
    PERSONS ARE STRONGLY REQUESTED TO REPORT ANY ENCOUNTER WITH OR
    EXPERIENCE OF FALLING DEBRIS AS SOON AS PRACTICABLE BY RT OR VIA THE
    IAA MANDATORY OCCURRENCE REPORTING SYSTEM WHICH CAN BE ACCESSED VIA
    WWW.IAA.IE. THIS INFORMATION MAY ASSIST TO PLOT ACCURATELY THE
    PRESENCE OF DEBRIS AND ANY EFFECT ON FLIGHT.
    FROM: 23 SEP 2011 17:22 TO: 24 SEP 2011 12:00

    PDF here http://www.iaa.ie/index.jsp?p=97&n=125


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 261 ✭✭Bens


    Was just looking at cnn on tv and they had news saying they now think it will be about 17:30 EST


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Looks like the next orbit will be just south of Ireland.

    http://www.heavens-above.com/orbit.aspx?satid=21701


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    It's HERE! Now


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    It missed, this time!!! :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    gbee wrote: »
    It's HERE! Now

    It's about 150 miles south of the country, it will pass over the southern tip of the UK in about 3 mins though. Next orbit it will pass right over us though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    It's about 150 miles south of the country, it will pass over the southern tip of the UK in about 3 mins though. Next orbit it will pass right over us though.

    It's moving tooooo fast, you can't post that in 3 mins ~ it's already GONE. Russia NOW :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Altitude is 103 miles at the moment. Its not coming down just yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    gbee wrote: »
    It's moving tooooo fast, you can't post that in 3 mins ~ it's already GONE. Russia NOW :)

    Look at the time I posted and then when you did, 7min difference:). And there is a delay on that site too so it's a good bit ahead in orbit than when you refresh that site, so we are are all out by about 5-10 mins I reckon. Don't know what the update lag on that site is like. I would be great to have a real real time tracking site and we could see NORAD tracking data. I can dream can't I.

    Looks like the next pass will be just North of us, thought it would be a flyover but does not look like it now.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    I've lost track! :pac: approaching northern Australia


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Looks like the next pass will be just North of us, thought it would be a flyover but does not look like it now.

    Yes, I think the next one will be just north of Ireland, but the one following that will go right over Ireland. That will be the important one. After that I don't think it will pass over us directly again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    Nasa say they have the legal ownership and we can't touch it. Do they still claim legal rights if it kills someone?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    Rubecula wrote: »
    Do they still claim legal rights if it kills someone?

    That would be a new one for the legal system for all concerned. What does it come under, luck, chance, act of God, 3rd party manslaughter.:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,138 ✭✭✭John mac


    anyone got a live track of it ?
    the lizard-tail link is overloaded, i have heavens above going but hitting refresh


  • Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭Chicken Run


    That would be a new one for the legal system for all concerned. What does it come under, luck, chance, act of God, 3rd party manslaughter.:confused:

    you can bet your house insurance won't cover damage caused by it though :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Rubecula wrote: »
    Nasa say they have the legal ownership and we can't touch it. Do they still claim legal rights if it kills someone?
    Liability for damage caused by objects falling from space is regulated by the 1972 Convention on International Liability for Damage Caused by Space Objects, according to NASA public affairs officer Beth Dickey. [6 Biggest Spacecraft To Fall Uncontrolled From Space]

    When the U.S. signed the pact, it agreed to be "absolutely liable to pay compensation for damage caused by its space object on the surface of the Earth or to aircraft in flight." That goes if UARS, or anything else NASA has put into orbit, crashes down in Kansas, France or Zimbabwe.

    The terms cover just about everything. In this case, "damage" is defined as loss of life, personal injury or other impairment of health; or loss of or damage to property of states or of persons, natural or juridical, or property of international intergovernmental organizations.

    And the payout is fairly good. Again, quoting the treaty: "The compensation which the launching State shall be liable to pay for damage under this Convention shall be determined in accordance with international law and the principles of justice and equity, in order to provide such reparation in respect of the damage as will restore the person, natural or juridical, State or international organization on whose behalf the claim is presented to the condition which would have existed if the damage had not occurred."

    http://www.space.com/13065-falling-satellite-damage-liability.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 694 ✭✭✭Tragamin2k2


    would i be right in saying half 11, 1, and half 2 are the 3 passes tonight?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭rainyrun


    I am surprised this thread is so quiet!!.. when i started browsing the net to see what was online about this.. I am surprised by the lack of news.. or is not news good news !!!
    I have two tracking sites open.. Googlesat track and heavens above!!

    When the satellite reenters earth atmosphere will it still be tracked on these sites until it disentegrates?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Conor108


    would i be right in saying half 11, 1, and half 2 are the 3 passes tonight?

    Are we gonna be able to see it at those time? Probs a stupid question:cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    rainyrun wrote: »
    I have two tracking sites open.. Googlesat track and heavens above!!

    When the satellite reenters earth atmosphere will it still be tracked on these sites until it disentegrates?

    H A is giving me tracking times up to the 23rd of Oct ffs:D That's as far as I checked.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭johnmcdnl


    noobie question - but can it be seen with the naked eye..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    Conor108 wrote: »
    Are we gonna be able to see it at those time? Probs a stupid question:cool:

    No, it's in the Earth's shadow in relation to us, unless it starts to re-enter on the orbit after this we will never see it again.

    If you were in Cuba or thereabouts you would see it on the next orbit in the twilight.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭rolion




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 694 ✭✭✭Tragamin2k2


    so would i be even more right in saying the only time worth goin for the gawk would be 1 and half 2?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    so would i be even more right in saying the only time worth goin for the gawk would be 1 and half 2?

    Not worth it at all. You won't see a thing. It's only the size of a bus in the Earths shadow. We can't even see the ISS pass over when it's in the Earth's shadow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭rainyrun


    tracking in realtime (after the ad ,with proper video ):

    now I have 3 tracking sites open!!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Altitude 99 miles now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 694 ✭✭✭Tragamin2k2


    Not worth it at all. You won't see a thing. It's only the size of a bus in the Earths shadow. We can't even see the ISS pass over when it's in the Earth's shadow.

    ino but what im gettin at is, if it does burn up tonight over ireland then they will be the times?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    SO here it is folks, Venezuela ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    Seven minutes! ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    ino but what im gettin at is, if it does burn up tonight over ireland then they will be the times?

    Don't think it will over us tbh. It's just dropped 4 miles in the past hour. Don't know by how much that process will speed up but I'd be shocked if we do see it. I'd love to see something like that with my own eyes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Down to 96 miles now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭rolion


    NASA latest new: we have no idea what is happening....
    NORAD latest news: UARS out of course and decending...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    Down to 96 miles now.

    Wow it's really coming down now.:eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    3 minutes, but I think I've lost it again, last track still has it Mid Atlantic. Slowed????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Altitude rising again. Its not coming down just yet!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭rainyrun


    Altitude rising again. Its not coming down just yet!

    Maquilladora.. where are you tracking this?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,018 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    Still mid atlantic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,068 ✭✭✭Iancar29


    HAHAHAHA... WE ARE ALL LIKE HORSE RACING COMMENTATORS! HA :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    One site is saying this orbit will pass north of us, just on HA. The other, the real time link is looking like a direct pass over us.:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    for anyone having problems getting the tracking site this one works here... http://www.ustream.tv/channel/indiainspace


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    rainyrun wrote: »
    Maquilladora.. where are you tracking this?

    infosatellites.com but the site is very hard to get on due to huge traffic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭rainyrun


    lets have a bet on where it lands :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    It's still climbing, this is going to be hard to call.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭rolion


    looks like is going to "reach" the nortern part of Ireland...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭rainyrun


    infosatellites.com but the site is very hard to get on due to huge traffic.

    I already have 3 tracking sites open so will leave it at that for now :) will keep an eye on the altitudes you are posting on here!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    Here again, going north a bit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭rainyrun


    flying over ireland now..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭maquiladora


    Doesn't look like it will be coming down for a few more hours yet.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭argosy2006


    Just about to come over Ireland


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