Do Scientologists have brains

punk77 · 23-09-2011 01:10PM

orourkeda wrote: »

Those people who choose to practice their religion, whatever that may be, should be entitled to do so without interference. Just as non believers should be afforded the same privilege.

I don't think non-believers need to practice their non-belief. At least,I don't.

opinion guy · 23-09-2011 01:15PM

orourkeda wrote: »

If scientologists dont do it someone else will. People exploit those who are more vulnerable than they are. Thats not exclusive to scientology.

Oh right...thats all right then :rolleyes:

orourkeda · 23-09-2011 01:16PM

punk77 wrote: »

I don't think non-believers need to practice their non-belief. At least,I don't.

You know what I meant. Doesnt matter what you call it.

orourkeda · 23-09-2011 01:16PM

opinion guy wrote: »

Oh right...thats all right then :rolleyes:

Did I say that?

Knasher · 23-09-2011 01:23PM

Faolchu wrote: »

so in essence believe in pie. because i can see it and i can eat it

Why should I believe in pie just because *you* can see it and eat it. If the pie is truly real, you should send it to me so I can independently verify its existence by eating it.

lee_baby_simms · 23-09-2011 01:25PM

Scientology tears families apart, makes its sea org members work 100 hour weeks for as little as $5 and, across the board, blatantly rips off its members.

People often say "its just a belief like any other religion..."

What other religion forces parishioners to hand over thousands to read its scriptures, forces its members to disconnect with family members, and famously let a woman die in their care while under going what Hubbard called 'The Purification Rundown.'

They claim to be able to get people off drugs and rehabilitate criminals by using techniques devised by a middle aged science fiction writer in the 60s.

Scientologys distrust of psychiatry stems purely from the fact that Dianetics was rubbished by the American Psychiatric Association in the 50's.

While the 'tech' or teachings may be useful for Scientologists the corruption and abuse within the Church is another matter. Scores of defectors have detailed how the leader, David Miscavige, regularly physically beats people, siphons off huge amounts of Scientologys money for himself etc... While Hubbard may have been a loony ideologist, Miscavige is paranoid, authoritarian and sociopathic.

Scientology is a dangerous, insidious cult.

opinion guy · 23-09-2011 01:25PM

orourkeda wrote: »

Did I say that?

'If they didn't do it someone else would' - yeah you kinda did

seamus · 23-09-2011 01:25PM

They dole out the crazy in little doses.

By the time you get to the super-crazy part, you've already bought and accepted the previous stuff, so this new stuff doesn't seem like much of a departure. Just like any religion.

Plus in scientology's case, by the time you get to the bat**** stuff, you've invested a shedload of your money, and nobody wants to admit that they were conned out of their entire life's worth of cash and so they stick with it.

orourkeda · 23-09-2011 01:27PM

opinion guy wrote: »

'If they didn't do it someone else would' - yeah you kinda did

Other people do it anyway dont they? And I never said swindling vulnerable people was a good thing.

lee_baby_simms · 23-09-2011 01:30PM

If I were a Scientolgist reading this thread I would be a PTS to an SP and would sent off to RPF for 2 years to eat rice and beans and audit my out-ethics.

Faolchu · 23-09-2011 01:31PM

orourkeda wrote: »

Those people who choose to practice their religion, whatever that may be, should be entitled to do so without interference. Just as non believers should be afforded the same privilege.

dont recall ever saying they shouldnt be so dont go putting words in my mouth i do recall saying that in my opinion they are addled brained for believeing in something that has never manifasted itself in any way that was tangable, an opinion that last time i checked i was entitled to. but then i said the same about nonbelievers too

orourkeda wrote: »

If thats the case then you insinuated intellectual inferiority in believers.

no i dont, you imply. where you persecuted at one point for your belief, is that why you're on your high horse about intellectual superiority or lack there of? ? if so you have my sympathies. if on the other hand you're a born again X (insert relevant religion here) then i feel for you because again in my opinion they more hard core than others.

besides i said i believe in the flying spagetti monster there for by your line of thought i must be intelectually superioir than non believers, even though by my own thought process nonbelievers and believers are in fact the same because they have a belief in somethng ie the existance of something compared to the "knowledge" that there is no something. am i the only one thinking teh lines between both groups are getting fussy?

orourkeda wrote: »

Surely the use of terms like "flying spaghetti monster" and "mumbojumbo" insinuate this

as would the term christian, protestant, morman, muslin, jew, wicca, jedi, athiest, mandalorian, viking, klingon, ad infinitum.

all the above actually insinuates is that i have a lighthearted opinion of organised religion and of those that practice it and that i use said opinion in what i feel is a funny manner in a form that is acceptible in After Hours, had the question been posed in spirituality, christianity (if it exists) or the humanaties forums i propably would not have answered because i probably would have been infracted for my irreverent tone.

Faolchu · 23-09-2011 01:34PM

Knasher wrote: »

Why should I believe in pie just because *you* can see it and eat it. If the pie is truly real, you should send it to me so I can independently verify its existence by eating it.

get your own dam pie, this one is mine to devour and then i shall be the supremo beaing of them all and i shall slap all supremo beings in the face with a wet fish. then i shall cry from the heavens, you may all have pie.

speaking of pie, what do you get if you divide the circumfrence of a pumpkin by is diameter? Pumpkin pi

Yakult · 23-09-2011 01:36PM

All religion's can suck my balls quiet frankly. If I want fantasy I'll read some George R.R Martin books.

Faolchu · 23-09-2011 01:37PM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

What other religion forces parishioners to hand over thousands to read its scriptures, forces its members to disconnect with family members, and famously let a woman die in their care while under going what Hubbard called 'The Purification Rundown.'

.

couldnt tell you but i do recall one where some of its members raped and beat young children in this country for generations. each organised religion has its own nut jobs

lee_baby_simms · 23-09-2011 01:38PM

Faolchu wrote: »

couldnt tell you but i do recall one whose members raped and beat young children in this country for generations. each organised religion has its own nut jobs

Couldn't agree more.

orourkeda · 23-09-2011 01:40PM

Faolchu wrote: »

could the same not be said for christians that believe in some old guy with a beard that built the world in 6 days and a "virgin" having a baby?

or the same with the suicide bombers and their virgins waiting for them mumbojumbo?

some people need something to believe in, some are more feeble brained that others of course. be i worship at teh alter of The Flying Spagetti monster

Your initial post. No belittling of other people beliefs there.

Faolchu wrote: »

dont recall ever saying they shouldnt be so dont go putting words in my mouth i do recall saying that in my opinion they are addled brained for believeing in something that has never manifasted itself in any way that was tangable, an opinion that last time i checked i was entitled to. but then i said the same about nonbelievers too

no i dont, you imply. where you persecuted at one point for your belief, is that why you're on your high horse about intellectual superiority or lack there of? ? if so you have my sympathies. if on the other hand you're a born again X (insert relevant religion here) then i feel for you because again in my opinion they more hard core than others.

besides i said i believe in the flying spagetti monster there for by your line of thought i must be intelectually superioir than non believers, even though by my own thought process nonbelievers and believers are in fact the same because they have a belief in somethng ie the existance of something compared to the "knowledge" that there is no something. am i the only one thinking teh lines between both groups are getting fussy?

as would the term christian, protestant, morman, muslin, jew, wicca, jedi, athiest, mandalorian, viking, klingon, ad infinitum.

all the above actually insinuates is that i have a lighthearted opinion of organised religion and of those that practice it and that i use said opinion in what i feel is a funny manner in a form that is acceptible in After Hours, had the question been posed in spirituality, christianity (if it exists) or the humanaties forums i propably would not have answered because i probably would have been infracted for my irreverent tone.

Never said you did. Never suggested you werent entitled to your opinions.

bamboozle · 23-09-2011 01:45PM

Faolchu wrote: »

couldnt tell you but i do recall one where some of its members raped and beat young children in this country for generations. each organised religion has its own nut jobs

Big difference between the appaling actions of scum associated with a certain religion and the teachings of that religion.

paddyandy · 23-09-2011 01:52PM

Like all the other movements Scientology will flourish among the Lost and Bewildered.'Feelgood' cancels out reason.They all have the same formula.I toured around most of them over the years i saw the Game.When questions are not answered properly there is definitely something amiss usually but not always.You take some ideas as self-evident facts and others when trust is carefully and wisely established.That's where the mistake lies.Trust at the right time only.

mikom · 23-09-2011 01:53PM

paddyandy wrote: »

Like all the other movements Scientology will flourish among the Lost and Bewildered.'Feelgood' cancels out reason.They all have the same formula.I toured around most of them over the years i saw the Game.When questions are not answered properly there is definitely something amiss usually but not always.You take some ideas as self-evident facts and others when trust is carefully and wisely established.That's where the mistake lies.

Heard Scientologists don't believe in spacebars.

Faolchu · 23-09-2011 01:54PM

orourkeda wrote: »

Your initial post. No belittling of other people beliefs there.

seriously? that's belittling? you must have a very thin skin. it was an irreverent comment on teh fact that must believers feel their system is teh one path and all others are fake. someone else made note of same and you hopped all ove rthem too. besides i said some people need somthing to believe in and some are feeble brained. i never once said they were wrong for having that believe. you on the other hand have said i was intelectually inferior for believein in the flying spagetti monster.

orourkeda wrote: »

Never said you did. Never suggested you werent entitled to your opinions.

eh you said

Those people who choose to practice their religion, whatever that may be, should be entitled to do so without interference.

thereby insunating (see i can do that too) that i had actually said they should be interfered with.

someone asked a question we expressed an opinion on it, some in an irrelevant tone others more seriously. you came in here swinging verbal haymakers about accusing some respondants of being intellectually inferiour to others or that we wanted to supress and interfer with people belief systems. when all we really want to do is pass a friday afternoon by having some light hearted banter while waiting for 5 oclock so we can go pray at the alter of Guiness.

i get it you have a hard/wide on for organised religion/scientology. something based on your posts that may actually turn into fanaticism if you keep going tehweay you are if you want my opinion. lighten the hell up because you know whatpeople are allowed express opinions on religion, we're allowed abuse them too, the religion not the actual worshipers, we'll let them abuse there own worshiper as they have all shown that they are more than capable of doing that just fine on their own, where not in some extremist muslim country where you'd be stoned to death if you got a handjob of your neighbours daughter behind the bike shed

Faolchu · 23-09-2011 02:06PM

bamboozle wrote: »

Big difference between the appaling actions of scum associated with a certain religion and the teachings of that religion.

how so? what about the ones that will stone a woman to death for an extramarital affair. are they any less scum than the Roman Catholic Church? are these actions too not appaling?

the point i was tring to make was that someone was trying to make scientology out to be the embodiement of all evil by forcing people to pay a tithe/come off meds/not give meds/isolate themselves, yet it was common hundreds of years ago to pay a tithe and iirc in germany you pay a religious tax. granted some of the opther rules of scientology are extreme but then so are the rules of other religions.

getz · 23-09-2011 02:10PM

Seachmall wrote: »

Every religion is firm about it's beliefs.
Every religion is firm the beliefs of other religions are wrong.

Yes, Scientology is a cult not a religion, but the difference is the intent of the leaders, not the irrationality of their beliefs.

Accept it and move on.

what is a cult ? at the birth of the free state,the catholic church wanted dev to down grade the church of ireland to a cult

RichieC · 23-09-2011 02:15PM

mikom wrote: »

Usually damaged individuals they home in on.

yes, it's like all religion that is picked up in adulthood, drug abuse, alcohol or general down and outness will lead you to their silky smooth answers.

Lollipops23 · 23-09-2011 02:16PM

I thought this was going to be a fun thread talking about how mental Scientologists are.

This isn't fun though.....:(

Faolchu · 23-09-2011 02:19PM

getz wrote: »

what is a cult ?

the only difference is the number of members each has. see you start out as a fruit & nut job always alone (call it teh Level 1 initiate), get a few friends, and you become like minded individuals, then you get more say 20+ like minded individuals and you actieve cult status, after a while if you dont all blow yuor heads off in a mas suicide pact you have thousands of members and them atain the level of religion.

D&D was the same ya start out as a level 1 initiate but slay a few orcs and goblins, get some treasure and you gain experience points , soon enough you progress to priest level, i think around L6 you got 1, follower and ever second level after that you gained more, after that kill a dragon or super wraith/save the kingdom you'll be a L20 master priest and no one can stop your plans of world domination, the only thing left to to take on the Gods and achieve God status yourself, at which point the Mists will envelope you and you'll have your own Realm in Ravenloft

showing my nerdy ness now

krudler · 23-09-2011 02:22PM

Yakult wrote: »

All religion's can suck my balls quiet frankly. If I want fantasy I'll read some George R.R Martin books.

Hail Daenerys, full of grace.
Khal be with thee.
Blessed are thou among Dothraki.

Faolchu · 23-09-2011 02:25PM

krudler wrote: »

Blessed are thou among Dothraki.

no she's not, after GOT the all fecked off on her but a few old ones and cripples and maybe those that wanted into he knickers. course i'm only half way throug book 2 so you could be right

krudler · 23-09-2011 02:26PM

The Catholic Church started out as a cult, all it takes is time and numbers. Although scientology charges people for salvation, its not like you could buy your way into heaven....oh, wait.

krudler · 23-09-2011 02:26PM

Faolchu wrote: »

no she's not, after GOT the all fecked off on her but a few old ones and cripples and maybe those that wanted into he knickers. course i'm only half way throug book 2 so you could be right

ah but for a while she was, now shush I'm only halfway through Clash Of Kings myself :pac:

TheyKnowMyIP · 23-09-2011 02:54PM

"I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is." - L. Ron Hubbard

Do Scientologists have brains

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