Do Scientologists have brains

wildlifeboy

How can any rational human being fall for this tripe?

orourkeda

Yes. Between their ears.

Why cant you just leave them be?

mikom

wildlifeboy wrote: »

How can any rational human being fall for this tripe?

Usually damaged individuals they home in on.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

wildlifeboy wrote: »

How can any rational human being fall for this tripe?

People are sheep, some just have different shepherds. Aren't you the guy who was too scared to fly to New York on September 11th because of what he read in a tabloid?

Faolchu

wildlifeboy wrote: »

How can any rational human being fall for this tripe?

could the same not be said for christians that believe in some old guy with a beard that built the world in 6 days and a "virgin" having a baby?

or the same with the suicide bombers and their virgins waiting for them mumbojumbo?

some people need something to believe in, some are more feeble brained that others of course. be i worship at teh alter of The Flying Spagetti monster

Emiko

wildlifeboy wrote: »

How can any rational human being fall for this tripe?

An alien overlord in a fancy spaceship seems more plausible than some ineffable heft of gas who records our wrongdoings from on high.

Credit where it's due.

Seachmall

Every religion is firm about it's beliefs.
Every religion is firm the beliefs of other religions are wrong.

Yes, Scientology is a cult not a religion, but the difference is the intent of the leaders, not the irrationality of their beliefs.

Accept it and move on.

Handy11

No. They are achingly credulous, over-enthused cretins who follow a wacky science fiction writer who, in turn, quickly relieves them of their easily-earned money (an act they participate in in return for tax exemption and a lift with the aliens).

It's like following Roald Dahl and praying that Gizzard Gulper and Child Chewer don't come and get us by giving lots of money to Sophie Dahl, who has the ear of the BFG (and a lifetime supply of frobscottle).

Codologists. And eejits.

orourkeda

Faolchu wrote: »

could the same not be said for christians that believe in some old guy with a beard that built the world in 6 days and a "virgin" having a baby?

or the same with the suicide bombers and their virgins waiting for them mumbojumbo?

some people need something to believe in, some are more feeble brained that others of course. be i worship at teh alter of The Flying Spagetti monster

Nice condescending all knowing post detailing why you are intellectually superior to those who choose to believe.

TheIrishGrover

As opposed to.....

The Belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father and can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree... yeah, makes perfect sense

Each to their own

punk77

If you keep your brain in stand-by mode,you can believe just about anything.

mikemac

Faolchu wrote: »

some people need something to believe in, some are more feeble brained that others of course.

Yet some atheists can't figure out why people perceive them to be arrogant

My name is URL

Sure as long as it's not harming anyone.. oh wait

Seachmall

orourkeda wrote: »

Nice condescending all knowing post detailing why you are intellectually superior to those who choose to believe.

No, a nice post detailing the arbitrary distinctions between the beliefs of one religion and another.

All make similar claims, non are provable.

wildlifeboy

orourkeda wrote: »

Nice condescending all knowing post detailing why you are intellectually superior to those who choose to believe.

Sorry Tom, is Katie keeping well??

opinion guy

orourkeda wrote: »

Yes. Between their ears.

Why cant you just leave them be?

Why can't they leave vulnerable, gullible people be and stop taking their money and forcing them to cut off their loved ones and then shunning them when they dare question anything ?

orourkeda

Seachmall wrote: »

No, a nice post detailing the arbitrary distinctions between the beliefs of one religion and another.

All make similar claims, non are provable.

Which was condescending and arrogant and hinted at your perception of feeble mindedness among people who choose to accept reliigion as part of their lives.

You call it nice. I call it condescending.

My name is URL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White

Operation Snow White was the Church of Scientology's name for a conspiracy during the 1970s to purge unfavorable records about Scientology and its founder L. Ron Hubbard. This project included a series of infiltrations and thefts from 136 government agencies, foreign embassies and consulates, as well as private organizations critical of Scientology, carried out by Church members, in more than 30 countries; the single largest infiltration of the United States government in history

Stupid like a fox

Lollipops23

My name is URL wrote: »

Sure as long as it's not harming anyone.. oh wait

They encourage people who are mentally unwell to come off their meds. I call that harming, especially if those meds are for schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. They could end up hurting themselves or loved ones.

orourkeda

opinion guy wrote: »

Why can't they leave vulnerable, gullible people be and stop taking their money and forcing them to cut off their loved ones and then shunning them when they dare question anything ?

If scientologists dont do it someone else will. People exploit those who are more vulnerable than they are. Thats not exclusive to scientology.

orourkeda

wildlifeboy wrote: »

Sorry Tom, is Katie keeping well??

I'm not a scientologist. I just choose not to question their intellectual prowess.

mikom

orourkeda wrote: »

I just choose not to question their intellectual prowess.

I presume the scientologists have a test for that anyway.

My name is URL

Lollipops23 wrote: »

They encourage people who are mentally unwell to come off their meds. I call that harming, especially if those meds are for schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. They could end up hurting themselves or loved ones.

I know.. I was being disingenuous. The organisation has also been implicated in a number of murders.

Seachmall

orourkeda wrote: »

Which was condescending and arrogant and hinted at your perception of feeble mindedness among people who choose to accept reliigion as part of their lives.

I have no perception of religious people. 95%+ of the people I know are religious, I don't look down at them.

What I do think is stupid though is when believers of one religion criticize the beliefs of others. As firm in your beliefs as you are a Muslim is just as firm in his beliefs. To me looking in from the outside it's the pot calling the kettle black. Either the Christian or the Muslim is wrong, they can't both be right. The way I see it is they're both on a level playing field pretending they're sitting closer to divinity than the other, and it's completely silly.

Faolchu

orourkeda wrote: »

Nice condescending all knowing post detailing why you are intellectually superior to those who choose to believe.

right back at ya. last time i checked i was in AH so the use of a condescending attitude was permitted. furthermore my personal opinion while you may feel it is condescening is my own and i am entitled to it, as you too are entitled to yours, you are obviously of the opinion that there is some greater power. well more power to ya, i dont as i have seen no evidence.

the fact remains that each belief system asks its followers to have faith/belief that what it preaches is right and what the other preaches is wrong. likewise a nonbelief system ie a person that believe in no God, Lizard, Spagetti Monster, Force etc is actually the same as the believer because they too have faith that their system is right and all the others are full of bunk. so who's the more foolish, the fool or the one that follows him?

orourkeda wrote: »

hinted at your perception of feeble mindedness among people who choose to accept reliigion as part of their lives.
.

not sure if thats directed at me or someone else, anyway i never claimed to be intellectually superior, on teh other hand your tone does that for you by implying i was condescending. people that taken in by something that there is no way of proving it are feeble minded to me, i need proof to believe in something. does that automatically mean i am intellectually superior?

so in essence believe in pie. because i can see it and i can eat it

orourkeda

mikom wrote: »

I presume the scientologists have a test for that anyway.

An IQ test perhaps. Usual measure of intellectual capacity

johngalway

As much as people with a Lada have a car I reckon.

orourkeda

Seachmall wrote: »

I have no perception of religious people. 95%+ of the people I know are religious, I don't look down at them.

What I do think is stupid though is when believers of one religion criticize the beliefs of others. As firm in your beliefs as you are a Muslim is just as firm in his beliefs. To me looking in from the outside it's the pot calling the kettle black. Either the Christian or the Muslim is wrong, they can't both be right. The way I see it is they're both on a level playing field pretending they're sitting closer to divinity than the other, and it's completely silly.

It wasnt your original post that I was talking about though when I mentioned condescension,.

I understand the conflict between the the beliefs of one religion over another. Thats always een the case.

orourkeda

Faolchu wrote: »

right back at ya. last time i checked i was in AH so the use of a condescending attitude was permitted. furthermore my personal opinion while you may feel it is condescening is my own and i am entitled to it, as you too are entitled to yours, you are obviously of the opinion that there is some greater power. well more power to ya, i dont as i have seen no evidence.

the fact remains that each belief system asks its followers to have faith/belief that what it preaches is right and what the other preaches is wrong. likewise a nonbelief system ie a person that believe in no God, Lizard, Spagetti Monster, Force etc is actually the same as the believer because they too have faith that their system is right and all the others are full of bunk.

so in i like pie

I never metioned what my religious beliefs may or may not be.

Those people who choose to practice their religion, whatever that may be, should be entitled to do so without interference. Just as non believers should be afforded the same privilege.

mikom

orourkeda wrote: »

An IQ test perhaps. Usual measure of intellectual capacity

No, I was thinking more of one based on holding two metal handles connected to a control box by wires......... http://www-movieline-com.vimg.net/images/john-travolta-scientology-1.jpg

orourkeda

Faolchu wrote: »

right back at ya. last time i checked i was in AH so the use of a condescending attitude was permitted. furthermore my personal opinion while you may feel it is condescening is my own and i am entitled to it, as you too are entitled to yours, you are obviously of the opinion that there is some greater power. well more power to ya, i dont as i have seen no evidence.

the fact remains that each belief system asks its followers to have faith/belief that what it preaches is right and what the other preaches is wrong. likewise a nonbelief system ie a person that believe in no God, Lizard, Spagetti Monster, Force etc is actually the same as the believer because they too have faith that their system is right and all the others are full of bunk.



not sure if thats directed at me or someone else, anyway i never claimed to be intellectually superior, on teh other hand your tone does that for you by implying i was condescending. people that taken in by something that there is no way of proving it are feeble minded to me, i need proof to believe in something. does that automatically mean i am intellectually superior?

so in essence believe in pie. because i can see it and i can eat it

If thats the case then you insinuated intellectual inferiority in believers. Surely the use of terms like "flying spaghetti monster" and "mumbojumbo" insinuate this

punk77

orourkeda wrote: »

Those people who choose to practice their religion, whatever that may be, should be entitled to do so without interference. Just as non believers should be afforded the same privilege.

I don't think non-believers need to practice their non-belief. At least,I don't.

opinion guy

orourkeda wrote: »

If scientologists dont do it someone else will. People exploit those who are more vulnerable than they are. Thats not exclusive to scientology.

Oh right...thats all right then :rolleyes:

orourkeda

punk77 wrote: »

I don't think non-believers need to practice their non-belief. At least,I don't.

You know what I meant. Doesnt matter what you call it.

orourkeda

opinion guy wrote: »

Oh right...thats all right then :rolleyes:

Did I say that?

Knasher

Faolchu wrote: »

so in essence believe in pie. because i can see it and i can eat it

Why should I believe in pie just because *you* can see it and eat it. If the pie is truly real, you should send it to me so I can independently verify its existence by eating it.

lee_baby_simms

Scientology tears families apart, makes its sea org members work 100 hour weeks for as little as $5 and, across the board, blatantly rips off its members.

People often say "its just a belief like any other religion..."

What other religion forces parishioners to hand over thousands to read its scriptures, forces its members to disconnect with family members, and famously let a woman die in their care while under going what Hubbard called 'The Purification Rundown.'

They claim to be able to get people off drugs and rehabilitate criminals by using techniques devised by a middle aged science fiction writer in the 60s.

Scientologys distrust of psychiatry stems purely from the fact that Dianetics was rubbished by the American Psychiatric Association in the 50's.

While the 'tech' or teachings may be useful for Scientologists the corruption and abuse within the Church is another matter. Scores of defectors have detailed how the leader, David Miscavige, regularly physically beats people, siphons off huge amounts of Scientologys money for himself etc... While Hubbard may have been a loony ideologist, Miscavige is paranoid, authoritarian and sociopathic.

Scientology is a dangerous, insidious cult.

opinion guy

orourkeda wrote: »

Did I say that?

'If they didn't do it someone else would' - yeah you kinda did

seamus

They dole out the crazy in little doses.

By the time you get to the super-crazy part, you've already bought and accepted the previous stuff, so this new stuff doesn't seem like much of a departure. Just like any religion.

Plus in scientology's case, by the time you get to the bat**** stuff, you've invested a shedload of your money, and nobody wants to admit that they were conned out of their entire life's worth of cash and so they stick with it.

orourkeda

opinion guy wrote: »

'If they didn't do it someone else would' - yeah you kinda did

Other people do it anyway dont they? And I never said swindling vulnerable people was a good thing.

lee_baby_simms

If I were a Scientolgist reading this thread I would be a PTS to an SP and would sent off to RPF for 2 years to eat rice and beans and audit my out-ethics.

Faolchu

orourkeda wrote: »

Those people who choose to practice their religion, whatever that may be, should be entitled to do so without interference. Just as non believers should be afforded the same privilege.

dont recall ever saying they shouldnt be so dont go putting words in my mouth i do recall saying that in my opinion they are addled brained for believeing in something that has never manifasted itself in any way that was tangable, an opinion that last time i checked i was entitled to. but then i said the same about nonbelievers too

orourkeda wrote: »

If thats the case then you insinuated intellectual inferiority in believers.

no i dont, you imply. where you persecuted at one point for your belief, is that why you're on your high horse about intellectual superiority or lack there of? ? if so you have my sympathies. if on the other hand you're a born again X (insert relevant religion here) then i feel for you because again in my opinion they more hard core than others.

besides i said i believe in the flying spagetti monster there for by your line of thought i must be intelectually superioir than non believers, even though by my own thought process nonbelievers and believers are in fact the same because they have a belief in somethng ie the existance of something compared to the "knowledge" that there is no something. am i the only one thinking teh lines between both groups are getting fussy?

orourkeda wrote: »

Surely the use of terms like "flying spaghetti monster" and "mumbojumbo" insinuate this

as would the term christian, protestant, morman, muslin, jew, wicca, jedi, athiest, mandalorian, viking, klingon, ad infinitum.

all the above actually insinuates is that i have a lighthearted opinion of organised religion and of those that practice it and that i use said opinion in what i feel is a funny manner in a form that is acceptible in After Hours, had the question been posed in spirituality, christianity (if it exists) or the humanaties forums i propably would not have answered because i probably would have been infracted for my irreverent tone.

Faolchu

Knasher wrote: »

Why should I believe in pie just because *you* can see it and eat it. If the pie is truly real, you should send it to me so I can independently verify its existence by eating it.

get your own dam pie, this one is mine to devour and then i shall be the supremo beaing of them all and i shall slap all supremo beings in the face with a wet fish. then i shall cry from the heavens, you may all have pie.

speaking of pie, what do you get if you divide the circumfrence of a pumpkin by is diameter? Pumpkin pi

Yakult

All religion's can suck my balls quiet frankly. If I want fantasy I'll read some George R.R Martin books.

Faolchu

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

What other religion forces parishioners to hand over thousands to read its scriptures, forces its members to disconnect with family members, and famously let a woman die in their care while under going what Hubbard called 'The Purification Rundown.'

.

couldnt tell you but i do recall one where some of its members raped and beat young children in this country for generations. each organised religion has its own nut jobs

lee_baby_simms

Faolchu wrote: »

couldnt tell you but i do recall one whose members raped and beat young children in this country for generations. each organised religion has its own nut jobs

Couldn't agree more.

orourkeda

Faolchu wrote: »

could the same not be said for christians that believe in some old guy with a beard that built the world in 6 days and a "virgin" having a baby?

or the same with the suicide bombers and their virgins waiting for them mumbojumbo?

some people need something to believe in, some are more feeble brained that others of course. be i worship at teh alter of The Flying Spagetti monster

Your initial post. No belittling of other people beliefs there.

Faolchu wrote: »

dont recall ever saying they shouldnt be so dont go putting words in my mouth i do recall saying that in my opinion they are addled brained for believeing in something that has never manifasted itself in any way that was tangable, an opinion that last time i checked i was entitled to. but then i said the same about nonbelievers too



no i dont, you imply. where you persecuted at one point for your belief, is that why you're on your high horse about intellectual superiority or lack there of? ? if so you have my sympathies. if on the other hand you're a born again X (insert relevant religion here) then i feel for you because again in my opinion they more hard core than others.

besides i said i believe in the flying spagetti monster there for by your line of thought i must be intelectually superioir than non believers, even though by my own thought process nonbelievers and believers are in fact the same because they have a belief in somethng ie the existance of something compared to the "knowledge" that there is no something. am i the only one thinking teh lines between both groups are getting fussy?



as would the term christian, protestant, morman, muslin, jew, wicca, jedi, athiest, mandalorian, viking, klingon, ad infinitum.

all the above actually insinuates is that i have a lighthearted opinion of organised religion and of those that practice it and that i use said opinion in what i feel is a funny manner in a form that is acceptible in After Hours, had the question been posed in spirituality, christianity (if it exists) or the humanaties forums i propably would not have answered because i probably would have been infracted for my irreverent tone.

Never said you did. Never suggested you werent entitled to your opinions.

bamboozle

Faolchu wrote: »

couldnt tell you but i do recall one where some of its members raped and beat young children in this country for generations. each organised religion has its own nut jobs

Big difference between the appaling actions of scum associated with a certain religion and the teachings of that religion.

paddyandy

Like all the other movements Scientology will flourish among the Lost and Bewildered.'Feelgood' cancels out reason.They all have the same formula.I toured around most of them over the years i saw the Game.When questions are not answered properly there is definitely something amiss usually but not always.You take some ideas as self-evident facts and others when trust is carefully and wisely established.That's where the mistake lies.Trust at the right time only.

mikom

paddyandy wrote: »

Like all the other movements Scientology will flourish among the Lost and Bewildered.'Feelgood' cancels out reason.They all have the same formula.I toured around most of them over the years i saw the Game.When questions are not answered properly there is definitely something amiss usually but not always.You take some ideas as self-evident facts and others when trust is carefully and wisely established.That's where the mistake lies.

Heard Scientologists don't believe in spacebars.

Faolchu

orourkeda wrote: »

Your initial post. No belittling of other people beliefs there.

seriously? that's belittling? you must have a very thin skin. it was an irreverent comment on teh fact that must believers feel their system is teh one path and all others are fake. someone else made note of same and you hopped all ove rthem too. besides i said some people need somthing to believe in and some are feeble brained. i never once said they were wrong for having that believe. you on the other hand have said i was intelectually inferior for believein in the flying spagetti monster.

orourkeda wrote: »

Never said you did. Never suggested you werent entitled to your opinions.

eh you said

Those people who choose to practice their religion, whatever that may be, should be entitled to do so without interference.

thereby insunating (see i can do that too) that i had actually said they should be interfered with.


someone asked a question we expressed an opinion on it, some in an irrelevant tone others more seriously. you came in here swinging verbal haymakers about accusing some respondants of being intellectually inferiour to others or that we wanted to supress and interfer with people belief systems. when all we really want to do is pass a friday afternoon by having some light hearted banter while waiting for 5 oclock so we can go pray at the alter of Guiness.

i get it you have a hard/wide on for organised religion/scientology. something based on your posts that may actually turn into fanaticism if you keep going tehweay you are if you want my opinion. lighten the hell up because you know whatpeople are allowed express opinions on religion, we're allowed abuse them too, the religion not the actual worshipers, we'll let them abuse there own worshiper as they have all shown that they are more than capable of doing that just fine on their own, where not in some extremist muslim country where you'd be stoned to death if you got a handjob of your neighbours daughter behind the bike shed