Who's getting the service jobs?

The Scientician · 23-09-2011 09:19AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWNho8g0lsU

smash · 23-09-2011 09:21AM

Irish people on the dole think they're above working in somewhere like this. And sure the dole is probably only €10 a week less and they get to sit on their ass.

veryangryman · 23-09-2011 09:32AM

smash wrote: »

Irish people on the dole think they're above working in somewhere like this. And sure the dole is probably only €10 a week less and they get to sit on their ass.

#1 reason in my opinion. That extra tenner is earned by having to deal with d1ckhead bosses/supervisors in supermarkets. Who in their right mind would work in one.

That said, the dole needs dropping if/when we get out of this mess. Not so much now as the jobs are tough to come by

Toby Take a Bow · 23-09-2011 09:33AM

mapaco wrote: »

looking for something in a supermarket
queries with magazine subscription
problems with mobile phone
enquiries about broadband

All enquiries I had regarding broadband (trying to disconnect from Eircom) were handled by Irish people: three of them very nice, one a little strange, and one woman was beyond-rude: questioning everything I said, told me I was being ridiculous and the like. Not sure how she managed to get the job.

beagle001 wrote: »

Now it's a different ball game,we should have a rule where any of these businesses must employ a certain percentage of Irish nationals as they do in other nations.
Tesco are no example to use though as they exploit everywhere they set up.

Surely the company should hire based on the person's experience? Best person for the job and all that. Agree regarding Tesco though.

Lando Griffin · 23-09-2011 09:37AM

In our local German owned supermarket they had advertisments for sales assistants and three out of three were non Irish.
This did not surprise me, but I did a bit of research as to why.
I asked one of the new assistants had he worked in Ireland long and he replied that he worked for a major Irish retailer for 6 years and left them to work here. I then posed the question " and are they good to work for" and he replied "excellent, the other place was awful and I hated it, here you work and are appreciated for it and if you work hard enough might get promoted"
And there is your answer, the non Irish have worked the jobs that were undesireable to work in during the bubble, now they have the experience to apply for and get the jobs the Irish want.
When I go to the shop I want to be served as quickly and efficently as possible, not listen to some speel about the weather or how Mickeling up the road crashed his car last night.

smash · 23-09-2011 09:38AM

veryangryman wrote: »

#1 reason in my opinion. That extra tenner is earned by having to deal with d1ckhead bosses/supervisors in supermarkets. Who in their right mind would work in one.

Exactly. There are a lot of skilled people unemployed and they don't want to be stocking shelves taking orders from some jumped up little pr!ck who's 2 years out of school and did a 5 week part time FAS management course.

23-09-2011 09:39AM

No I don't think Irish people think they are above a job like that, but I do think the way we have set the system up make it hard for Irish people to work at jobs that expects people to work very flexibly as regards to hours and pay a very low wage.

As I said before a lot of Irish people looking for those job in tesco would have been students with no retail experience and maybe that's not what tesco are really looking for.

smash · 23-09-2011 09:42AM

mariaalice wrote: »

with no retail experience and maybe that's not what tesco are really looking for.

you're cracking me up... retail experience to work in Tesco. good one.

crotalus667 · 23-09-2011 09:47AM

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

It's beyond a joke at this stage. My sister in law has sent out CV's to all the major supermarket chains and keeps getting turned down for work whilst they continue to hire eastern europeans. Everyone knows the reason but few are prepered to stand up for the Irish worker.

Most of the eastern european that come here have an exclent work ethic and dont call in sick when hung over, during the boom they would work when ever they where wanted "some (alot) of the irish" where laying down terms in the interview like "i cant work fridays coz i go out with the lads on thursdays" some of the irish still have this atatude

i have worked with a lot of forgiener's they have had to work hard to get here so they work hard when they are here

23-09-2011 09:52AM

Look at the attitude that is coming a across here, a supermarket having a preference for someone with retail experience is something to laugh at!!!! ..all the managers in supermarkets are dick head ( maybe true but get over yourself its work a place to go where your earn money for you real life )!!! I would not have a 20 year old manager telling me what to do!!! ( again get over yourself ).

My oldest daughter worked in tesco before she went to college and became a nurse, she loved working there and even ended up working in the head office in Dunlogharie for a while.

Lumbo · 23-09-2011 09:57AM

smash wrote: »

you're cracking me up... retail experience to work in Tesco. good one.

OK, I'm interviewing two people for a job.

One is Irish with no experience. One is non national with lots of experience.

Who do I choose?

smash · 23-09-2011 10:02AM

mariaalice wrote: »

maybe true but get over yourself its work a place to go where your earn money for you real life )!!! I would not have a 20 year old manager telling me what to do!!! ( again get over yourself ).

For an extra €10 a week I think people don't have to put up with this and "get over themselves" as you put it.

Lumbo wrote: »

OK, I'm interviewing two people for a job.

One is Irish with no experience. One is non national with lots of experience.

Who do I choose?

You choose the one with experience, but the bottom line is that you don't actually need retail experience to work in Tesco. That's why they're trying to leach off the intern scheme.

General General · 23-09-2011 10:07AM

Who gives a monkeys where some one is from in the EU?

& as for grasp of service skills... I see no effective difference.

COYW · 23-09-2011 10:20AM

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

It's beyond a joke at this stage. My sister in law has sent out CV's to all the major supermarket chains and keeps getting turned down for work whilst they continue to hire eastern europeans. Everyone knows the reason but few are prepered to stand up for the Irish worker.

I'll give you a few good reasons, proper reasons :

- The eastern Europeans are far better workers than the Irish.

- During the boom years, the supermarket jobs were above the Irish. If the economy started growing again, the Irish people would be flocking out of the supermarket jobs and the company will have to hire and re-train a whole new roster of staff. They Eastern Europeans are experienced in the area.

- The level of customer service from Irish supermarket staff is appalling. They are more interested in yapping to their co-worker about going to the pub than serving the customer. If you ask an Irish staff member where something is located in the store, you will get an aisle number if you are lucky or a finger point in the general direction. The eastern European worker will bring you to the item location.

- Also, the eastern European will not turn up for work hungover or half-cut, thus spend half the morning in the toilet and the rest of the day stinking of a mix of stale drink and deodorant.

beagle001 · 23-09-2011 10:31AM

COYW wrote: »

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

It's beyond a joke at this stage. My sister in law has sent out CV's to all the major supermarket chains and keeps getting turned down for work whilst they continue to hire eastern europeans. Everyone knows the reason but few are prepered to stand up for the Irish worker.

I'll give you a few good reasons, proper reasons :

- The eastern Europeans are far better workers than the Irish.

- During the boom years, the supermarket jobs were above the Irish. If the economy started growing again, the Irish people would be flocking out of the supermarket jobs and the company will have to hire and re-train a whole new roster of staff.

- The level of customer service from Irish supermarket staff is appalling. They are more interested in yapping to their co-worker about going to the pub than serving the customer. If you ask an Irish staff member where something is located in the store, you will get an aisle number if you are lucky or a finger point in the general direction. The eastern European worker will bring you to the item location.

- Also, the eastern European will not turn up for work hungover or half-cut and thus spend half the morning in the toilet and stinking of a mix of stale drink and deodorant for the rest of the day.

Wow how do you manage to live here with that attitude.
Talk about a load of bull###t categorising every Irish person into a drunk unhelpful worker and full of praise for every saintly Eastern European who in your opinion are far better than their native counterparts.
Get real were a nation praised for our work ethic,I find the people who post such nonsense like yourself have neither worked for long periods overseas and seen the respect people have for the Irish and also have never been in a senior role to judge a worker on his or her competency as you obviously have no idea of any of the above if you can role out such negative statements towards the Irish workforce.

23-09-2011 10:58AM

Like others have said, it's because the EE workers have the experience. They did these jobs during the boom when Irish people thought they were beneath them. I don't think you can disagree with that. Now that the economy has gone to sh*t, I don't think it's very fair for Irish people to waltz in and say 'hey, I want that job'. A lot of the Eastern Europeans have settled here and their kids are Irish born. You can't just throw them out now that their jobs have become more desirable.

23-09-2011 11:10AM

I have had an appalling customer services experience from an eastern Europe woman it was a bagel place, she was glaring at customers and said to me ' vot do you vant' in an aggressive way and was almost throwing the food at people.

FlutterinBantam · 23-09-2011 11:13AM

squod wrote: »

:mad: Generalisations like this are racist and outrageous.

No they are not, just stating a lot of the truth.

Ask any employer.

Crazy Horse 6 · 23-09-2011 11:19AM

mariaalice wrote: »

The problem I suspect is to do with how our social welfare is constructed and maybe a bit to do with childcare.

Tesco are not giving out full-time contracts, they want someone who is flexible enough to work 20 hours one week and 30 the next and to be very flexible about their working hours, the above is not a full-time job and is very hard to combine with any social welfare entitlements or childcare responsibilities.

No they just don't like hiring people who might stand up for their rights. It's really that simple .

23-09-2011 11:34AM

So what you are saying is that tesco has a thought out policy that says disregard retail experience, and 24 hour available and only employ eastern Europe people no matter what experiences they have, don't ever employ Irish people because they might stand up for their right.

Is that just in Ireland or is it the same in the UK

I am not standing up for tesco by the way they are a big operation and are there to make money that's all, they like every company want to run their business as cheaply and as profitably as possible.

Notorious · 23-09-2011 11:35AM

This thread reeks of racism and ridiculous generalisations.

drdeadlift · 23-09-2011 11:37AM

danger mouse wrote: »

Firstly this is not an anti foreigner rant. Anyway case in point being,

I'm just wondering what the story is... In the last few months a big Tesco store has opened in my local area and i've noticed that a very large and disproportionate amount of the staff employed by this Tesco extra store and the shops in this retail park are of non Irish nationality. I cant understand this serious percentage differential in favour of non Irish. I know there is a very large queue every month of people signing on the labour exchange that are Irish in this area that would happily take these kind of jobs.

But when I explored this brand new Tesco store and it's auxiliary shopping partners i found most of the new jobs were filled by non irish people and mostly eastern European nationals.

I hope the Paddys are putting the cvs in! im sure they are.If the people on the scratcher boycott tescos that might help,if the community stick together that might make a difference.

drdeadlift · 23-09-2011 11:40AM

jester77 wrote: »

Experience? Most places hire people based on experience. And it was not so long ago that a lot of Irish people were turning their noses up at jobs like these which resulted in a lot of non-Irish people taking on these roles. I remember during my trips back to Ireland 5 years ago and it was rare to get serviced by an Irish person. I would take a wild guess that most of the people Tesco hired had acquired relevant work experience pertaining to the role during the last 5-10 years.

Well things have changed now.Time to get the paddy back working.Dont be worrying about five years ago.

drdeadlift · 23-09-2011 11:46AM

beagle001 wrote: »

Off topic slightly but I was recently oversees where I was speaking to a well
Traveled New Yorker.
He said he was recently in Dublin for the first time and loved the city but could not find an Irish person working in the hotel or pubs and shops near by he said it was full of Polish and this was a negative to him as he wanted the Irish banter but they just did not engage in conversation.
This is the way Ireland is now for a tourist,spot the Irish in a shop.

I was in Liverpool a few weeks back,from pennys to pubs to cafes were all locals working.I have kinda gotten use to the foreigners in those jobs here tho.There are a few Irish girls working in tesco express in Camden street

mikemac · 23-09-2011 12:32PM

Easier for management to bully and get the foreign staff to comply with their ridiculous practices

Though Tesco may be better then most. And at least Tesco have contracts with set hours

In the hotel industry, rest periods doesn't exist, do a twelve hours shift for the wedding, finish at four am and be back for breakfast shift if you want to keep your job.
Talk about a union and you'll be gone. Start a shift at six pm, do the food service, clean it down, do the bar service, clean the bar down and if you try to take a break before one am you get roared at.

But hotels are cute, they don't fire you. No they just slash your hours and give them to the new hire and force you to quit.
Irish staff are slower to put up with this messing, nothing to do with "too good" for these jobs. Who was doing these jobs before mass immigration?
And yeah, I've worked in five of them, put me through college and I'd stay on the dole before going back to one of those jobs

phasers · 23-09-2011 12:32PM

Why have shops started only taking people with experience anyway? How much experience do you need to put stuff on shelves?

Phill Ewinn · 23-09-2011 12:39PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

No they are not, just stating a lot of the truth.

Ask any employer.

Ring Australia there flut. Tell them about all the Paddys they have working in the bars, restaraunts and shops. Shure do they not know! There's a whole race of '' happy Eastern Europeans'' who will do the same job only worse, but for lower pay.

Thread belongs in stormfront TBH

bamboozle · 23-09-2011 12:42PM

i never set foot in Tesco so i cant comment on them but i know a lad who owns a shop and he lost faith in hiring young irish staff (18-25) during the boom as some of them were prone to pull sickies, turn up hungover and had poor atitudes. He felt foreigners appreciated the jobs more. His managers are Irish though.

out of convenience travelling to work i often use a petrol station in Portmarnock, the lads they have working there are comical, the more stubble the better, wolly hats on, talking to each other while serving customers and best of all was the time i went in and the lad behind the counter had the good grace to serve me while talking on his mobile.

actually enjoy getting Petrol in there now to see the carryon of the staff!

donalg1 · 23-09-2011 12:43PM

Well my experience in supermarkets or shops is that the Irish girls that serve you barely say a word to you whereas the non-national girls serving you are extremely pleasant. It's almost an inconvenience for an irish girl to serve you in a shop these days, went to the counter in the shop the other day and said hello to the girl, she grunted back at me, so i didnt bother after that instead i just stood there thinking about the possibility of me being able to dive over the counter while aiming a flying head butt at her.

Now when being served by a non irish girl they always say hi, how are you, and then thank you, and sometimes even have a nice day, there are times i have gone into shops and had someone serving me say this and i have been too stunned to say anything back because someone working in a shop is actually pleasant.

mikemac · 23-09-2011 12:48PM

donalg1 wrote: »

Well my experience in supermarkets or shops is that the Irish girls that serve you barely say a word to you whereas the non-national girls serving you are extremely pleasant.

That's just terrible store management

Go to the likes of Marks and Spencers where the staff tend to be older and you get fantastic service from friendly people, doesn't matter what their nationality is. Well most of them are Irish.

Who's getting the service jobs?

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