Who's getting the service jobs?

danger mouse · 23-09-2011 03:35AM #1

Firstly this is not an anti foreigner rant. Anyway case in point being,

I'm just wondering what the story is... In the last few months a big Tesco store has opened in my local area and i've noticed that a very large and disproportionate amount of the staff employed by this Tesco extra store and the shops in this retail park are of non Irish nationality. I cant understand this serious percentage differential in favour of non Irish. I know there is a very large queue every month of people signing on the labour exchange that are Irish in this area that would happily take these kind of jobs.

But when I explored this brand new Tesco store and it's auxiliary shopping partners i found most of the new jobs were filled by non irish people and mostly eastern European nationals.

Saila · 23-09-2011 03:52AM

danger mouse wrote:

Firstly this is not an anti foreigner rant

ah it is though

OPENROAD · 23-09-2011 03:54AM

Not again

Pompey Magnus · 23-09-2011 04:20AM

Saila wrote: »

ah it is though

Out of interest what did you see that was anti-foreigner in the post? The OP was simply asking what reasons would be behind a minority group of the population making up a larger proportion of the workforce within a particular company than would be expected given their numbers here compared to native Irish people.

As it is a new store it can't be explained as being because they had been working there for years, starting at a time when not many Irish people were going for Tesco work. Assuming the OP is correct in his observation then he is just wondering what the explanation now could be. It may simply be that unemployed Irish people still aren't going for Tesco work (I would be surprised if that is the case though).

I don't see what makes the question an "anti-foreigner rant" though?

LH Pathe · 23-09-2011 04:58AM

yeah I'd be interested in the severity or truth in this 'favouritism' if it regards tesco.

strokemyclover · 23-09-2011 05:08AM

Thread will result in some sort of 'Final Solution' to our jobs crisis I expect

mapaco · 23-09-2011 05:27AM

friend of mine is in copenhagen and struggling to get a job cos everywhere requires fluent danish and gives preference to the danish candidates.

damn right i say-no matter what you're lookin for these days in ireland its a battle to get your message across and for the other person to get their message across.
a basic grasp of english should be a requirement in any job

rant over:D

OPENROAD · 23-09-2011 05:31AM

mapaco wrote: »

friend of mine is in copenhagen and struggling to get a job cos everywhere requires fluent danish and gives preference to the danish candidates.

damn right i say-no matter what you're lookin for these days in ireland its a battle to get your message across and for the other person to get their message across.
a basic grasp of english should be a requirement in any job

rant over:D

Haven't found it a problem

mapaco · 23-09-2011 05:47AM

looking for something in a supermarket
queries with magazine subscription
problems with mobile phone
enquiries about broadband

OPENROAD · 23-09-2011 05:58AM

mapaco wrote: »

looking for something in a supermarket
queries with magazine subscription
problems with mobile phone
enquiries about broadband

No issues with any of them personally

Crazy Horse 6 · 23-09-2011 07:58AM

It's beyond a joke at this stage. My sister in law has sent out CV's to all the major supermarket chains and keeps getting turned down for work whilst they continue to hire eastern europeans. Everyone knows the reason but few are prepered to stand up for the Irish worker.

CardBordWindow · 23-09-2011 08:37AM

Tesco don't like hiring Irish after the last one they did hire ended up on the X Factor and quit her job.
Once bitten, twice shy!

23-09-2011 08:46AM

OP have your or anyone you know that has experience and is available for flexible work ( not a student and not someone with no retail experience ) applied for the jobs in that tesco and been turned down in favour of an eastern Europe?
is that what you are saying.

jester77 · 23-09-2011 08:49AM

Experience? Most places hire people based on experience. And it was not so long ago that a lot of Irish people were turning their noses up at jobs like these which resulted in a lot of non-Irish people taking on these roles. I remember during my trips back to Ireland 5 years ago and it was rare to get serviced by an Irish person. I would take a wild guess that most of the people Tesco hired had acquired relevant work experience pertaining to the role during the last 5-10 years.

23-09-2011 08:53AM

The problem I suspect is to do with how our social welfare is constructed and maybe a bit to do with childcare.

Tesco are not giving out full-time contracts, they want someone who is flexible enough to work 20 hours one week and 30 the next and to be very flexible about their working hours, the above is not a full-time job and is very hard to combine with any social welfare entitlements or childcare responsibilities.

Nodin · 23-09-2011 08:53AM

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

It's beyond a joke at this stage. My sister in law has sent out CV's to all the major supermarket chains and keeps getting turned down for work whilst they continue to hire eastern europeans. Everyone knows the reason but few are prepered to stand up for the Irish worker.

What is "the reason"?

cosmicfart · 23-09-2011 08:55AM

id say these non Irish people getting these minimum wage jobs has something to do with the fact they probably work harder in and dont go around all day moaning with a sour puss face on them like most Irish who do work in these types of jobs using look like.

squod · 23-09-2011 08:58AM

cosmicfart wrote: »

id say these non Irish people getting these minimum wage jobs has something to do with the fact they probably work harder in and dont go around all day moaning with a sour puss face on them like most Irish who do work in these types of jobs using look like.

:mad: Generalisations like this are racist and outrageous.

Tazz T · 23-09-2011 08:59AM

Or a poor grasp of English means that when they apply for the job, they don't understand that 'intern' actually translates as 'no pay'.

stupidusername · 23-09-2011 09:01AM

mariaalice wrote: »

The problem I suspect is to do with how our social welfare is constructed and maybe a bit to do with childcare.

Tesco are not giving out full-time contracts, they want someone who is flexible enough to work 20 hours one week and 30 the next and to be very flexible about their working hours, the above is not a full-time job and is very hard to combine with any social welfare entitlements or childcare responsibilities.

Because irish people are the only ones wits children

I'm sick of all these stupid comments about irish people being too lazy to work.i dont know one irish person like that

cosmicfart · 23-09-2011 09:02AM

squod wrote: »

:mad: Generalisations like this are racist and outrageous.

yea i agree but when im shopping I like to see a smiling face on the other side of the counter not sum 'TUTTING little i dont want to be here bitch' usually Irish, unfortunately true.

beagle001 · 23-09-2011 09:03AM

You can't say that what a misguided statement.
I never have a problem being served by an Irish person,at least I can understand them and get a bit of a smile or have the craic.
Eastern Europeans for the most part the women are very pleasant but the fellas are a disaster when it comes to customer service.
I do feel sorry for our youth trying to find a job for college or the summer it's next to
Impossible for them.
I always held down a weekend job from 15 right through college and it was never a problem finding one.
Now it's a different ball game,we should have a rule where any of these businesses must employ a certain percentage of Irish nationals as they do in other nations.
Tesco are no example to use though as they exploit everywhere they set up.

cosmicfart · 23-09-2011 09:05AM

beagle001 wrote: »

You can't say that what a misguided statement.
I never have a problem being served by an Irish person,at least I can understand them and get a bit of a smile or have the craic.
Eastern Europeans for the most part the women are very pleasant shít fooking hot but the fellas are a disaster when it comes to customer service.
I do feel sorry for our youth trying to find a job for college or the summer it's next to
Impossible for them.
I always held down a weekend job from 15 right through college and it was never a problem finding one.
Now it's a different ball game,we should have a rule where any of these businesses must employ a certain percentage of Irish nationals as they do in other nations.
Tesco are no example to use though as they exploit everywhere they set up.

fixed ya post :cool:

CardBordWindow · 23-09-2011 09:05AM

Nodin wrote: »

What is "the reason"?

They're a band from Canada.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Reason_(band)

ShadowHearth · 23-09-2011 09:06AM

danger mouse wrote: »

Firstly this is not an anti foreigner rant. Anyway case in point being,

I'm just wondering what the story is... In the last few months a big Tesco store has opened in my local area and i've noticed that a very large and disproportionate amount of the staff employed by this Tesco extra store and the shops in this retail park are of non Irish nationality. I cant understand this serious percentage differential in favour of non Irish. I know there is a very large queue every month of people signing on the labour exchange that are Irish in this area that would happily take these kind of jobs.

But when I explored this brand new Tesco store and it's auxiliary shopping partners i found most of the new jobs were filled by non irish people and mostly eastern European nationals.

Maybe because some people don't like low payed hard jobs? So when they don't want it, foreigners come over and take those jobs.

In my experience nobody gives a **** if you are foreigner or not when you apply for a job. As long as you have needed skills for position and you got good enough English.

beagle001 · 23-09-2011 09:08AM

Off topic slightly but I was recently oversees where I was speaking to a well
Traveled New Yorker.
He said he was recently in Dublin for the first time and loved the city but could not find an Irish person working in the hotel or pubs and shops near by he said it was full of Polish and this was a negative to him as he wanted the Irish banter but they just did not engage in conversation.
This is the way Ireland is now for a tourist,spot the Irish in a shop.

23-09-2011 09:09AM

I didn't say Irish people are lazy far from, there were Latvian living next door to me in my last house, they were a couple and their teenage son and her parents,

Thats 4 Adults and one child in a 3 bed house all the adults worked and they also minded another child for other Latvian friends, because they lived like that they could take poorly paid jobs with out full hours, that what I am saying.

Nodin · 23-09-2011 09:10AM

beagle001 wrote: »

Off topic slightly but I was recently oversees where I was speaking to a well
Traveled New Yorker.
He said he was recently in Dublin for the first time and loved the city but could not find an Irish person working in the hotel or pubs and shops near by he said it was full of Polish and this was a negative to him as he wanted the Irish banter but they just did not engage in conversation.
This is the way Ireland is now for a tourist,spot the Irish in a shop.

..."Wheres Paddy? Finding the Irishman - A tourists guide"

cosmicfart · 23-09-2011 09:11AM

beagle001 wrote: »

Off topic slightly but I was recently oversees where I was speaking to a well
Traveled New Yorker.
He said he was recently in Dublin for the first time and loved the city but could not find an Irish person working in the hotel or pubs and shops near by he said it was full of Polish and this was a negative to him as he wanted the Irish banter but they just did not engage in conversation.
This is the way Ireland is now for a tourist,spot the Irish in a shop.

he would probably find more of what he is looking for if he stayed at home!!!!

beagle001 · 23-09-2011 09:12AM

Their plastic paddies over there.

squod · 23-09-2011 09:18AM

beagle001 wrote: »

Off topic slightly but I was recently oversees where I was speaking to a well
Traveled New Yorker.
He said he was recently in Dublin for the first time and loved the city but could not find an Irish person working in the hotel or pubs and shops near by he said it was full of Polish and this was a negative to him as he wanted the Irish banter but they just did not engage in conversation.
This is the way Ireland is now for a tourist,spot the Irish in a shop.

I generally prefer shopping in places where the majority are Irish. Been in many places where staff have received basic sales training. Takes very little time, costs feck all and is generally a massive gain for the owners business.

cosmicfart wrote: »

yea i agree but when im shopping I like to see a smiling face on the other side of the counter not sum 'TUTTING little i dont want to be here bitch' usually Irish, unfortunately true.

One of those things. Having worked retail meself for three years I realise these people are under pressure. Some retail jobs are target driven. Could be the cause of the attitude you're getting.

Who's getting the service jobs?

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