Do multicultural societies work?

joshrogan · 22-09-2011 10:12PM

She knows she will lose a debate against him that is why she is avoiding it.

CoolHat · 22-09-2011 10:18PM

joshrogan wrote: »

She knows she will lose a debate against him that is why she is avoiding it.

the ring came off my pudding can :pac:

RGDATA! · 22-09-2011 10:23PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

If Nick Griffin wants to talk, let him. Letting him talk is the rope he needs to hang himself anyway (even though he has hung himself many many times in the past)

exactly, most of the publicity folks like him have got over the years has been been from people protesting their right to speak at all or shouting them down.

Temptamperu · 22-09-2011 11:19PM

Do multicultural socirtirs work? ofcourse they do, havent you ever seen star trek?

Kevin Duffy · 22-09-2011 11:21PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

Domulticultural socirtirs work? ofcourse they do, havent you ever seen star trek?

Just look at what they've done for the development of language :pac:

Temptamperu · 22-09-2011 11:22PM

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Just look at what they've done for the development of language :pac:

FFFFUUUUUUU :pac:

LH Pathe · 22-09-2011 11:26PM

Well of course Nick Griffin is gonna have a point, but then Britain is only reaping what seeds it sowed elsewhere.

Multiculturalism is essential, but it's a difficult balancing act. ideally you want a bit of everything, not a lot of some and none of other - but it's important we seize the geographical opportunity to retain a sense of relatively undiluted purity. Like japan

gbee · 22-09-2011 11:29PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

Do multicultural socirtirs work? ofcourse they do, havent you ever seen star trek?

Not really, this is a group of people who have been screened, trained, injected and psychoanalysised to fit this environment.

AND THEN, they ALL face the SAME destructive force and they all want to save the ship.

The all want to save the ship part is so very obviously missing as Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans demonstrates.

My_left_leg · 22-09-2011 11:56PM

having just spent a weekend with a friend who is living in North London, the answer must be

NO.

strobe · 23-09-2011 12:02AM

Switzerland is nice.

Manach · 23-09-2011 12:03AM

Taking the Austro-Hungarian example - yes they can work in normal times, but will crumble under strain.

Fight_Night · 23-09-2011 12:14AM

Nick Griffin actually handled himself very well on that radio show. The anti fascist girl at the start was a huge idiot and a complete hypocrite.

Zebra3 · 23-09-2011 12:26AM

fontanalis wrote: »

Anyway it wasn't that long ago that Nick Griffin types wouldn't have liked paddy culture all that much.

Was a piece in some paper in the last year about some mob like the BNP selling CDs of "celtic culture" in one of their shops in Britain.

Turns out they were CDs full of songs gloryifing the various resistance movements in Ireland wiping out occupying British forces. :pac:

Hilarious.

n900guy · 23-09-2011 12:29AM

ascanbe wrote: »

Well the USA has 'worked', whatever that means, for quite a long time and that's pretty much the definition of a multi-cultural society.
So, in-so-far as a nebulous question like this can actually be definitively answered, i'd go for yes.
And, before anyone mentions it, the citizenship test, does not counter the various ways in which the US is clearly a multicultural country.

The US was predominantly run and designed entirely until the 1960s for white people since it was founded. Since the 1970s, it became "multicultural". Since the 1970s there has been a net drop in real income adjusted for inflation to now, 40 years later.

The US time of success was during it's period of entirely white european-descended monoculturalism.

Zebra3 · 23-09-2011 12:39AM

n900guy wrote: »

The US was predominantly run and designed entirely until the 1960s for white people since it was founded. Since the 1970s, it became "multicultural". Since the 1970s there has been a net drop in real income adjusted for inflation to now, 40 years later.

The US time of success was during it's period of entirely white european-descended monoculturalism.

The US has not been a monocultural entity since the arrival of European settlers.

Under America's version of apartheid, there was still more than one culture, it was just that one dominated the rest.

The drop in real income has everything to do with the way the US has been run for the benefit of the elite since the 70s and nothing to do with the repealing of racist legislation.

Dionysus · 23-09-2011 12:40AM

4Sheets wrote: »

Do multicultural societies work?

Multiethnic societies can work, multicultural societies are an entirely different matter.

Stained Class · 23-09-2011 01:09AM

Just listned to the full transcript of the OP vid.

Nick Griffin came across quite well, unlike some of his opponents.

Wouldn't agree with all he says...

Safe to say that things have gone too far PC IMHO.

For a lot of folk, people like him & what he represents, will start to become the answer to all their 'problems'.

Food for thought people.

ascanbe · 23-09-2011 01:34AM

n900guy wrote: »

The US was predominantly run and designed entirely until the 1960s for white people since it was founded. Since the 1970s, it became "multicultural". Since the 1970s there has been a net drop in real income adjusted for inflation to now, 40 years later.

The US time of success was during it's period of entirely white european-descended monoculturalism.

Firstly, you seem to be confusing 'culture' with 'race'; the US has had people objecting to what they saw as the inevitably deleterious/destructive effects of 'multi-culturalism' since the descendants of the first settlers were getting up in arms about the arrival of the dirty Irish/Italian/Polish catholics.
Regarding your point on the economy:
Some people, of a certain poltical persuasion, would argue that the 1980's, which i think you'll agree directly followed the 1970's, were something of a golden-age for the US economy; would it have been reasonable, so, for someone back then to argue that this up-turn was, in fact, entirely due to the influence of of 'multi-culturalism' rather than to, say, political decisions, and the economic template laid down under 'Reaganomics', alongside other factors?
I doubt there were many lining up to do so.
So wouldn't it be reasonable to opine that, perhaps, the current downturn could , in fact, be more accurately sourced in the financial template laid down under 'Reagonomics', alongside other factors, and by subsequent governmental decisions; such as the repeal of the 'Glass-Steagall Act', for instance?
I suppose, though, it's convenient for people who, for whatever reason, wish to do so, to lay the blame for everything at the door of 'multi-culturalism'.

LH Pathe · 23-09-2011 02:10AM

ascanbe wrote: »

Firstly, you seem to be confusing 'culture' with 'race'

I did that too. Then in which case.. seein as a certain culture here is an almost all encompassing self contained anticulture of the one uniculture .. -then what hope?!!

we already had multiculturalism, it was booming. but hitler yoof .. !!

Disleksic · 23-09-2011 02:28AM

I'm stunned. It took 50 posts before someone mentioned Hitler.

ascanbe · 23-09-2011 02:46AM

LH Pathe wrote: »

I did that too. Then in which case.. seein as a certain culture here is an almost all encompassing self contained anticulture of the one uniculture .. -then what hope?!!

we already had multiculturalism, it was booming. but hitler yoof .. !!

You probably won't be surprised to find that i have no idea what you're on about.

LH Pathe · 23-09-2011 02:50AM

Ditto! .. hence not being able to make it past your first sentence.

Spread · 23-09-2011 03:00AM

It hasn't worked in England, France and Germany as I see it. Have lived for a good few years in each of those places.

OPENROAD · 23-09-2011 03:05AM

Spread wrote: »

It hasn't worked in England, France and Germany as I see it. Have lived for a good few years in each of those places.

In what way?

LH Pathe · 23-09-2011 03:10AM

OPENROAD wrote: »

Spread wrote: »

It hasn't worked in England, France and Germany as I see it. Have lived for a good few years in each of those places.

In what way?

In the way that the positives are eclipsed by the negatives.

That in a way, the only positive is that you may get to bump one of um

little piece of AH sandpaper there for you to wipe ur arse with

OPENROAD · 23-09-2011 03:18AM

LH Pathe wrote: »

In the way that the positives are eclipsed by the negatives.

That in a way, the only positive is that you may get to bump one of um

little piece of AH sandpaper there for you to wipe ur arse with

I love AH

Spread · 23-09-2011 03:25AM

In those places I mentioned you get vast ghettos. Take London, go to east of Liverpool St and you'll find the English language takes second place to dialects east of Suez. SW is no better but the dialect is patois. NW follows the same pattern. In France, the northern suburbs of Paris are social tips. As are the social housing in most towns that have high N African population. Most of the big cities in Germany have ghettos of people who do not understand the German way of life and do not want to assimilate.
Most of the people that I talk about have no allegiance to the countries of their birth. Chips on the shoulder are endemic and a sense of belonging is absent. Apart from addiction to the welfare state. All of them have a sense of entitlement which is generational. Over here the scene is different ...... culture is pretty much the same as a lot of the different immigrants have been here for ages, but racism comes into it. Although if you drive through a project, you would think you were in another country with just an English dialect.

OPENROAD · 23-09-2011 03:36AM

Spread wrote: »

In those places I mentioned you get vast ghettos. Take London, go to east of Liverpool St and you'll find the English language takes second place to dialects east of Suez. SW is no better but the dialect is patois. NW follows the same pattern. In France, the northern suburbs of Paris are social tips. As are the social housing in most towns that have high N African population. Most of the big cities in Germany have ghettos of people who do not understand the German way of life and do not want to assimilate.
Most of the people that I talk about have no allegiance to the countries of their birth. Chips on the shoulder are endemic and a sense of belonging is absent. Apart from addiction to the welfare state. All of them have a sense of entitlement which is generational. Over here the scene is different ...... culture is pretty much the same as a lot of the different immigrants have been here for ages, but racism comes into it. Although if you drive through a project, you would think you were in another country with just an English dialect.

Felt like I was back in Ireland driving through Kilburn all right

Spread · 27-09-2011 11:56PM

OPENROAD wrote: »

Felt like I was back in Ireland driving through Kilburn all right

If you go to the National, you need to leave your shoes at the door.:) It's very dark on the High Road these days.

johngalway · 27-09-2011 11:58PM

orourkeda wrote: »

NO

Just no

This.

Multiculturalism doesn't work. It hasn't worked anywhere. Look at the train wreck that is the UK. It's junk. Integrate or stay where ya bloody are.

If I moved to Canada to live do ya think I'd be objecting to maple syrup and hockey cos that's not how we do things in Ireland.

Me bollix.

Do multicultural societies work?

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