Do multicultural societies work?

4Sheets

Nick Griffin was interviewed on Irish radio station Classic Hits 4fm last night on the subject ‘Do multicultural societies work?’ The interview was held ahead of Mr Griffin’s planned appearance in a discussion on immigration at Trinity College Dublin next month.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY3WYI-SFpc

orourkeda

NO

Just no

MrStuffins

Nick Griffin can suck my balls, the fat prick!

Standman

Couldn't care less what that bollox has to say about anything.

The_Kew_Tour

From my experience no, afraid they dont

Orando Broom

MrStuffins wrote: »

Nick Griffin can suck my balls, the fat prick!

I laughed!!

RGDATA!

do monocultural societies work?

CoolHat

No.
Because its people we are talking about. Lets just say we were all one colour. We'd still have people hating others. groups formed. One class wouldnt like the other. etc.

mikemac

OP, who is the radio presenter?
He sounds familiar

Is it Anton Savage?

MrStuffins

RGDATA! wrote: »

do monocultural societies work?

Is there a chance the track could bend?

Saila

just not very well

CoolHat

MrStuffins wrote: »

Is there a chance the track could bend?

not on your life my hindu friend.

fontanalis

It depends, whether or not other cultures expect to operate/exist outisde the law of the host country.
Some of the opposition to multiculturalism seems to be along the lines oh "omg someone looks different believes in different stuff to me".
Anyway it wasn't that long ago that Nick Griffin types wouldn't have liked paddy culture all that much.

ascanbe

Well the USA has 'worked', whatever that means, for quite a long time and that's pretty much the definition of a multi-cultural society.
So, in-so-far as a nebulous question like this can actually be definitively answered, i'd go for yes.
And, before anyone mentions it, the citizenship test, does not counter the various ways in which the US is clearly a multicultural country.

Captain_Generic

CoolHat wrote: »

not on your life my hindu friend.

What about us braindead slobs?

My name is URL

Not gonna be arsed watching the video, but no multiculturalism doesn't work in its current form. It doesn't promote social inclusion. Those who come here and do best are those who include and immerse themselves in the society that already exists, rather than relying on a government model to make it work for them. If it was allowed to happen naturally and with as little interference as possible then it would be much better.

MrStuffins

Captain_Generic wrote: »

What about us braindead slobs?

You'll come to the country and take Irish jobs.

KeithAFC

Sikhs are good at it.

Captain_Generic

MrStuffins wrote: »

You'll come to the country and take Irish jobs.

Aw..

marketty

Captain_Generic wrote: »

What about us braindead slobs?

You'll be given cushy jobs!!

4Sheets

RGDATA! wrote: »

do monocultural societies work?

Well they have in the past... multicultural societies have proved unstable to date

MrStuffins

marketty wrote: »

You'll be given cushy jobs!!

Were you sent here by the devil?

gbee

MrStuffins wrote: »

Nick Griffin can suck my balls, the fat prick!

Would you like that?

mikemac

That lady from the Anti Racism network is a clown

Fascist, Fascist, Fascist she cries

Put out a press release, slams Nick Griffin and then when she is invited to debate with him she won't do it

Why not says the radio show host? Why are you even on this radio show so if you won't debate?

Oh because of he a facist and people died in Norway she says

The man is allowed to talk but some want to shut him up but are afraid to debate with him

Captain Darling

MrStuffins wrote: »

Nick Griffin can suck my balls, the fat prick!

Fatist!

KeithAFC

It can only work if people get it. England is a good example. So many English patriots now can't even put up the St George flag because they are afraid of being branded a racist. Of course which we know many black people and Sikhs are very proud to be British and very patriotic. The problem is not enough people are.

MrStuffins

gbee wrote: »

Would you like that?

You don't know where my balls have been!

mikemac wrote: »

That lady from the Anti Racism network is a clown

Fascist, Fascist, Fascist she cries

Put out a press release, slams Nick Griffin and then when she is invited to debate with him she won't do it

Why not says the radio show host? Why are you even on this radio show so if you won't debate?

Oh because of he a facist and people died in Norway she says

The man is allowed to talk but some want to shut him up but are afraid to debate with him

What pisses me off almost as much is people who think they can reap all the rewards of a democratic state but think they should be able to stop others from speaking their mind.

If Nick Griffin wants to talk, let him. Letting him talk is the rope he needs to hang himself anyway (even though he has hung himself many many times in the past)

mikemac

I learned very little from that

The Pakistani man who called in nearly got more time then Nick Griffin did
Not realy an interview at all. It wasn't a shouting match and it wasn't a debate either

Not sure what I would call it

FlutterinBantam

MrStuffins wrote: »

You don't know where my balls have been!

Stewing in a sweaty apple-catcher at some union meeting discussing a boycott or some other hare-brained scheme;)

Kevin Duffy

CoolHat wrote: »

No.
Because its people we are talking about. Lets just say we were all one colour. We'd still have people hating others. groups formed. One class wouldnt like the other. etc.

This is not an argument against multiculturalism, it's an argument against any people living together at all and says multiculturalism is as good or bad as anything else.

Anyway, Interculturalism is where it's at.

Rawhead

MrStuffins wrote: »

Were you sent here by the devil?

No my friend I'm on the level.

joshrogan

She knows she will lose a debate against him that is why she is avoiding it.

CoolHat

joshrogan wrote: »

She knows she will lose a debate against him that is why she is avoiding it.

the ring came off my pudding can :pac:

RGDATA!

MrStuffins wrote: »

If Nick Griffin wants to talk, let him. Letting him talk is the rope he needs to hang himself anyway (even though he has hung himself many many times in the past)

exactly, most of the publicity folks like him have got over the years has been been from people protesting their right to speak at all or shouting them down.

Temptamperu

Do multicultural socirtirs work? ofcourse they do, havent you ever seen star trek?

Kevin Duffy

Temptamperu wrote: »

Domulticultural socirtirs work? ofcourse they do, havent you ever seen star trek?

Just look at what they've done for the development of language :pac:

Temptamperu

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Just look at what they've done for the development of language :pac:

FFFFUUUUUUU :pac:

LH Pathe

Well of course Nick Griffin is gonna have a point, but then Britain is only reaping what seeds it sowed elsewhere.

Multiculturalism is essential, but it's a difficult balancing act. ideally you want a bit of everything, not a lot of some and none of other - but it's important we seize the geographical opportunity to retain a sense of relatively undiluted purity. Like japan

gbee

Temptamperu wrote: »

Do multicultural socirtirs work? ofcourse they do, havent you ever seen star trek?

Not really, this is a group of people who have been screened, trained, injected and psychoanalysised to fit this environment.

AND THEN, they ALL face the SAME destructive force and they all want to save the ship.

The all want to save the ship part is so very obviously missing as Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans demonstrates.

My_left_leg

having just spent a weekend with a friend who is living in North London, the answer must be

NO.

strobe

Switzerland is nice.

Manach

Taking the Austro-Hungarian example - yes they can work in normal times, but will crumble under strain.

Fight_Night

Nick Griffin actually handled himself very well on that radio show. The anti fascist girl at the start was a huge idiot and a complete hypocrite.

Zebra3

fontanalis wrote: »

Anyway it wasn't that long ago that Nick Griffin types wouldn't have liked paddy culture all that much.

Was a piece in some paper in the last year about some mob like the BNP selling CDs of "celtic culture" in one of their shops in Britain.

Turns out they were CDs full of songs gloryifing the various resistance movements in Ireland wiping out occupying British forces. :pac:

Hilarious.

n900guy

ascanbe wrote: »

Well the USA has 'worked', whatever that means, for quite a long time and that's pretty much the definition of a multi-cultural society.
So, in-so-far as a nebulous question like this can actually be definitively answered, i'd go for yes.
And, before anyone mentions it, the citizenship test, does not counter the various ways in which the US is clearly a multicultural country.

The US was predominantly run and designed entirely until the 1960s for white people since it was founded. Since the 1970s, it became "multicultural". Since the 1970s there has been a net drop in real income adjusted for inflation to now, 40 years later.

The US time of success was during it's period of entirely white european-descended monoculturalism.

Zebra3

n900guy wrote: »

The US was predominantly run and designed entirely until the 1960s for white people since it was founded. Since the 1970s, it became "multicultural". Since the 1970s there has been a net drop in real income adjusted for inflation to now, 40 years later.

The US time of success was during it's period of entirely white european-descended monoculturalism.

The US has not been a monocultural entity since the arrival of European settlers.

Under America's version of apartheid, there was still more than one culture, it was just that one dominated the rest.

The drop in real income has everything to do with the way the US has been run for the benefit of the elite since the 70s and nothing to do with the repealing of racist legislation.

Dionysus

4Sheets wrote: »

Do multicultural societies work?

Multiethnic societies can work, multicultural societies are an entirely different matter.

Stained Class

Just listned to the full transcript of the OP vid.

Nick Griffin came across quite well, unlike some of his opponents.

Wouldn't agree with all he says...

Safe to say that things have gone too far PC IMHO.

For a lot of folk, people like him & what he represents, will start to become the answer to all their 'problems'.

Food for thought people.

ascanbe

n900guy wrote: »

The US was predominantly run and designed entirely until the 1960s for white people since it was founded. Since the 1970s, it became "multicultural". Since the 1970s there has been a net drop in real income adjusted for inflation to now, 40 years later.

The US time of success was during it's period of entirely white european-descended monoculturalism.

Firstly, you seem to be confusing 'culture' with 'race'; the US has had people objecting to what they saw as the inevitably deleterious/destructive effects of 'multi-culturalism' since the descendants of the first settlers were getting up in arms about the arrival of the dirty Irish/Italian/Polish catholics.
Regarding your point on the economy:
Some people, of a certain poltical persuasion, would argue that the 1980's, which i think you'll agree directly followed the 1970's, were something of a golden-age for the US economy; would it have been reasonable, so, for someone back then to argue that this up-turn was, in fact, entirely due to the influence of of 'multi-culturalism' rather than to, say, political decisions, and the economic template laid down under 'Reaganomics', alongside other factors?
I doubt there were many lining up to do so.
So wouldn't it be reasonable to opine that, perhaps, the current downturn could , in fact, be more accurately sourced in the financial template laid down under 'Reagonomics', alongside other factors, and by subsequent governmental decisions; such as the repeal of the 'Glass-Steagall Act', for instance?
I suppose, though, it's convenient for people who, for whatever reason, wish to do so, to lay the blame for everything at the door of 'multi-culturalism'.

LH Pathe

ascanbe wrote: »

Firstly, you seem to be confusing 'culture' with 'race'

I did that too. Then in which case.. seein as a certain culture here is an almost all encompassing self contained anticulture of the one uniculture .. -then what hope?!!

we already had multiculturalism, it was booming. but hitler yoof .. !!

Disleksic

I'm stunned. It took 50 posts before someone mentioned Hitler.