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Iran speaking live at UN (US, FRANCE And WESTERN DELEGATION's WALKS OUT AT IRAN UN)

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  • #32
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Geekness1234 wrote: »
    America being behind 9/11?!?!
    Iraq was for oil.Plain and simple.You may not like it but you currently can't live without oil.

    I'm fully aware what Iraq was about (was always about, and still is about).

    The OP said that the Iranian was talking the greatest bs ever.

    I posted one simple example to show that the OP was wrong.


  • #33
    Temptamperu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    Geekness1234 wrote: »
    America being behind 9/11?!?!
    Iraq was for oil.Plain and simple.You may not like it but you currently can't live without oil.
    Yeah but why does it have to be american companies that dole it out?


  • #34
    Yahew
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,488 ✭✭✭Yahew


    Geekness1234 wrote: »
    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Even more so than America's lies about Iraq having WMD's and being behind 9/11 and then using those lies as an excuse to invade and cause the deaths of over a million people?
    America being behind 9/11?!?!
    Iraq was for oil.Plain and simple.You may not like it but you currently can't live without oil.

    Was Saddam threathening to stop selling oil?


  • #35
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    Yahew wrote: »
    Was Saddam threathening to stop selling oil?

    No, if memory serves however, did he not plan to start trading it for euros.


  • #36
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    karma_ wrote: »
    No, if memory serves however, did he not plan to start trading it for euros.

    Yep, he did.


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  • #37
    Yahew
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,488 ✭✭✭Yahew


    karma_ wrote: »
    Yahew wrote: »
    Was Saddam threathening to stop selling oil?

    No, if memory serves however, did he not plan to start trading it for euros.

    No. These conspiracy theories are nonsense. There was a neo-con conspiracy to invade and ignore the evidence. It was not related to oil. The oil company controlled US is a myth believed by statists. The US invasion was promoted by people with in the government for their own ends.


  • #38
    marcsignal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭marcsignal


    wes wrote: »
    Iran was polite enough to sit through Obama's rubbish speech, surely they should have the decency to sit through Iran's speech.

    spot on wes

    Just looking at the pdf. from the bottom of page 3 to the top of page 5, he asks some interesting straightforward questions, and raises some important issues imo.


  • #39
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Temptamperu wrote: »
    Yeah but why does it have to be american companies that dole it out?

    It doesn't. Most Iraqi oil contracts have gone to Russian and French companies.

    NTM


  • #40
    marcsignal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭marcsignal


    karma_ wrote: »
    No, if memory serves however, did he not plan to start trading it for euros.

    afaik the dollar to Euro switch was made, by the Iraqis (Axis of evil member No. 1) , on oct 30th 2000, in the wall st branch of French bank BNP.
    This was the UN administered account through which the Iraqis were selling 2.3 million barrels per day, under 'oil for food'. The UN advised against it, because at the time, 1 Euro was only worth 80American Cent, potentially bankrupting their entire country within 1 year.

    In 2001 the Euro gained 25% on the Dollar, thus forcing the Iranians to switch their central bank reserve funds from Dollars to Euro (Axis of Evil member No. 2) On December 7th 2002 North Korea decided they were going top do all of their commodity trading (not just oil) in Euro instead of Dollars (Axis of evil member No. 3)

    Hugo Chavez was re-elected in 2000, and opec chairmainship fell to him. He convened an opec meeting in Spain in April 2001, and on the table was the proposal, that all oil producing countries unilaterally switch from Dollars to Euro.

    The Federal reserves worst nightmare.

    Iraq is invaded March 19 2003


  • #41
    Crazy Horse 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭Crazy Horse 6


    Love the guy. Speaks it as it is and does'nt give a fck about what anyone thinks.


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  • #42
    Yahew
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,488 ✭✭✭Yahew


    marcsignal wrote: »
    karma_ wrote: »
    No, if memory serves however, did he not plan to start trading it for euros.

    afaik the dollar to Euro switch was made, by the Iraqis [SIZE="1"](Axis of evil member No. 1)[/SIZE] , on oct 30th 2000, in the wall st branch of French bank BNP.
    This was the UN administered account through which the Iraqis were selling 2.3 million barrels per day, under 'oil for food'. The UN advised against it, because at the time, 1 Euro was only worth 80American Cent, potentially bankrupting their entire country within 1 year.

    In 2001 the Euro gained 25% on the Dollar, thus forcing the Iranians to switch their central bank reserve funds from Dollars to Euro [SIZE="1"](Axis of Evil member No. 2)[/SIZE] On December 7th 2002 North Korea decided they were going top do all of their commodity trading (not just oil) in Euro instead of Dollars [SIZE="1"](Axis of evil member No. 3)[/SIZE]

    Hugo Chavez was re-elected in 2000, and opec chairmainship fell to him. He convened an opec meeting in Spain in April 2001, and on the table was the proposal, that all oil producing countries unilaterally switch from Dollars to Euro.

    The Federal reserves worst nightmare.

    Iraq is invaded March 19 2003

    Pro-Israeli neo cons off the hook once again. I see.

    Anyway, much good these switches did the Euro, likely to collapse. Meanwhile creditors are paying to own American debt. It's reserve status is not in doubt.


  • #43
    marcsignal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭marcsignal


    Yahew wrote: »
    Pro-Israeli neo cons off the hook once again. I see.

    Anyway, much good these switches did the Euro, likely to collapse. Meanwhile creditors are paying to own American debt. It's reserve status is not in doubt.

    can i have that in laymans terms?

    I'm not saying there is any connection, but it is certainly interesting.


  • #44
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    marcsignal wrote: »
    Hugo Chavez was re-elected in 2000, and opec chairmainship fell to him. He convened an opec meeting in Spain in April 2001, and on the table was the proposal, that all oil producing countries unilaterally switch from Dollars to Euro.

    Ah, Hugo Chavez.

    We all remember the hilarious failed US-backed coup against that democratically elected leader. :D:D:D:D


  • #45
    marcsignal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭marcsignal


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Ah, Hugo Chavez.

    We all remember the hilarious failed US-backed coup against that democratically elected leader. :D:D:D:D

    and the Irish guys making the documentary about him at the time, that filmed the whole thing fall apart :D;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id--ZFtjR5c


    @ Yahew, for the record, I believe there were all kinds of reasons for the gulf war, all of them illegal and shameful.


  • #46
    Geekness1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Geekness1234


    Temptamperu wrote: »
    Yeah but why does it have to be american companies that dole it out?
    Because they invaded the country.Finders keepers.


  • #47
    The Left Hand Of God
    Closed Accounts Posts: 413 ✭✭The Left Hand Of God


    The UN, WHO etc are like the Public/Civil Service on a Global scale (minus the administrators who do a lot of work)

    The majority of them are like mangers/directors who talk a load of bollix most of the time.

    Talking shops.

    I am not anti P/C Service. I do know the lower minions do a lot of work :/


  • #48
    Ben Hadad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭Ben Hadad


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    It doesn't. Most Iraqi oil contracts have gone to Russian and French companies.

    NTM

    Chinese companies won the most contracts. Go China (only joking)

    Which begs the question how the **** did America not fix it so that they did win the lions share of the contracts. That's just plain dumb, and to be fair really does disprove the whole simplistic "invading for oil" argument.


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