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A Mexico City Center - 35 bodies dumped from trucks

  • 21-09-2011 05:17PM
    #1
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭


    As if to prove how mad the world is, the Mexican gangs have been at it again sadly.
    All the billions that have been spend in drug wars and still they can do this - dumping bodies in open public on a motorway!
    Madness, pure madness.
    SUSPECTED DRUG TRAFFICKERS drove two trucks to a main avenue in a Mexican Gulf coast city and dumped 35 bodies beneath an overpass during rush hour as gunmen stood guard and pointed their weapons at frightened drivers.
    Horrified motorists trapped at the scene sent Twitter messages warning others to avoid the area on a thoroughfare near the biggest shopping mall in Boca del Rio.
    The gruesome scene was a sharp escalation in drug violence in Veracruz state, which sits on an important route for drugs and Central American migrants heading north.

    Story continues with also picture link: http://www.thejournal.ie/35-bodies-dumped-on-mexican-street-during-rush-hour-232667-Sep2011/

    Very sad - when will it end?


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  • #2
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Local media said that 12 of the victims were women and that some of the dead men had been among prisoners who escaped from three Veracruz prisons on Monday, but Escobar said he couldn’t confirm that.

    This happened before. 5 men "escape" prison, days later found hanging from an over pass. It was then discovered, although unproven, that the men had been released early and without papers filed. It's believed the cartels ordered their release and hung them to make a statement.

    Shocking stuff, and mostly funded by that crazy drug weed.


  • #3
    latenia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭latenia


    Biggins wrote: »
    Very sad - when will it end?

    Don't worry Gus Fring is on the case.


  • #4
    Temptamperu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    Holy fúck, is there nothing that can be done about these cartels?


  • #5
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,031 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Heard worse stories then that, if ya can believe...

    There is no law in that country at all.

    Sad because they have some of the nicest people I have ever met

    EVENFLOW



  • #6
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Its very sad. I think now over 15,000 people (that we know of so far) have been killed in this drug war - and there is no end in sight.
    Its unreal! It leaves me speechless when I read about such things still able to go on.


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  • #7
    builttospill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 734 ✭✭✭builttospill


    It will end when governments have a reality check and legalise drugs.


  • #8
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    builttospill wrote: »
    It will end when governments have a reality check and legalise drugs.

    I don't think it's as straight forward as that when you're talking about these cartels. If it was made legal they'd still be supplying stuff in direct competition to those doing it legally.


  • #9
    ilikepears
    Closed Accounts Posts: 67 ✭✭ilikepears


    builttospill wrote: »
    It will end when governments have a reality check and legalise drugs.

    If that happens there will be even more deaths. These gangs will not just hand over this lucrative business to professional companies making the drugs. They will fight even more cos its very profitable for those at the top.


  • #10
    Standman
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Very sad - when will it end?

    When drugs are legalised and regulated.


  • #11
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Biggins wrote: »
    Its very sad. I think now over 15,000 people (that we know of so far) have been killed in this drug war - and there is no end in sight.
    Its unreal! It leaves me speechless when I read about such things still able to go on.

    On this thread, the quoted article mentions 34600 killed since December 2006, absolutely unbelievable.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=74435156


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  • #12
    Biggins
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    ejmaztec wrote: »
    On this thread, the quoted article mentions 34600 killed since December 2006, absolutely unbelievable.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=74435156

    In this day and age for a country that has the capability to be so modern in operation and availability to technology and possible shared intelligence from their neighbors, its crazy!


  • #13
    KeithAFC
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    How do so many people get killed and caught up in it? Those numbers are crazy.


  • #14
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    How do so many people get killed and caught up in it? Those numbers are crazy.

    Big cartels and private armies. I see some reports mention deserters from Mexican special forces running at least one operation. :eek:


  • #15
    Yitzhak Rabin
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    Legalizing it in the states would stop it.

    It would get more violent initially as the drug cartels fight to continue to control the trade. But as more and more legitimate farmers in the states, canada and elsewhere grow it, they would simply outcompete the gangs, as they don't have the overheads of bribes, weapons, guards, etc. to pay. The cartels would be starved of cash and would eventually weaken and the mexican govt. with US support could finally beat them.

    Obviously Mexico wouldn't become some kind of utopia, and it wouldn't happen overnight, but seriously, I don't think we'd be looking at those kind of staggering death tolls.


  • #16
    pragmatic1
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    I actually think Mexico needs a short term brutal dictator to take on the cartels. That country is sliding into anarchy very quickly.


  • #17
    pragmatic1
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    ejmaztec wrote: »
    Big cartels and private armies. I see some reports mention deserters from Mexican special forces running at least one operation. :eek:
    Los Zetas is full of ex-army, police and special forces.


  • #18
    pablomakaveli
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    The other day i read about a young man and woman in Mexico who were killed for criticising the gangs on Facebook. The girl had been hogtied and disembowled and the man had been shot in the head i think. Both were left hanging from a bridge.

    I really feel sorry for the Mexican people. It's horrible that so many innocents are being slaughtered.:(


  • #19
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    builttospill wrote: »
    It will end when governments have a reality check and legalise drugs.

    Should we just legalise all criminal activity to stop them neing bold boys?
    yekahS wrote: »

    It would get more violent initially as the drug cartels fight to continue to control the trade. But as more and more legitimate farmers in the states, canada and elsewhere grow it, they would simply outcompete the gangs, as they don't have the overheads of bribes, weapons, guards, etc. to pay. The cartels would be starved of cash and would eventually weaken and the mexican govt. with US support could finally beat them..

    Easy to say from a distance. Woudl you be ok with being collateral damage as part of the escalation or is it just ok cos it other people?


  • #20
    keitho Dublin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭keitho Dublin


    Escobar were did i hear that name before:rolleyes: but anyway it will only stop when USA stop telling other people what to do up to 2006 mexico was if not fine better then were it is now


  • #21
    Giselle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Giselle


    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    The other day i read about a young man and woman in Mexico who were killed for criticising the gangs on Facebook. The girl had been hogtied and disembowled and the man had been shot in the head i think. Both were left hanging from a bridge.

    Nightmares now for me tonight :(

    It sounds worse than the situation in Libya, except instead of a country ruined by a dictator, its a country ruined by cartels.


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  • #22
    Biggins
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    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    The other day i read about a young man and woman in Mexico who were killed for criticising the gangs on Facebook. The girl had been hogtied and disembowled and the man had been shot in the head i think. Both were left hanging from a bridge.

    I really feel sorry for the Mexican people. It's horrible that so many innocents are being slaughtered.:(

    Was reading about that in the Times.
    The pair were supposedly using a well known site for reporting anonymous drug crimes going on.
    They were hung from the bridge in broad daylight so to provide a warning to others not to open their mouths.
    The drugs gangs cannot really stop people posting anon' stuff so they are trying to further put fear into the people.

    See: http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-14/world/mexico.violence_1_zetas-cartel-social-media-users-nuevo-laredo?_s=PM:WORLD
    More than 34,600 people have died in drug-related violence since Mexican President Felipe Calderon announced a crackdown on cartels in December 2006, according to government statistics. Other reports have listed a higher toll. The latest Mexican government tally was released in January.


  • #23
    rossie1977
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    I don't think it's as straight forward as that when you're talking about these cartels. If it was made legal they'd still be supplying stuff in direct competition to those doing it legally.
    ilikepears wrote: »
    If that happens there will be even more deaths. These gangs will not just hand over this lucrative business to professional companies making the drugs. They will fight even more cos its very profitable for those at the top.

    how well is the illegal alcohol trade doing in the states these days?? maybe its just me but i haven't heard of anyone getting stupidly rich from selling illegal alcohol since the 1920s, no mass killings involving illegal alcohol either, strange that
    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Should we just legalise all criminal activity to stop them neing bold boys?

    no but at this stage we should have realised prohibition does not work, you make sugar or tea/coffee illegal tomorrow and by friday you would have a massive black market selling those products, huge sugar cartels, thousands of people being killed


  • #24
    Chuck Stone
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    ilikepears wrote: »
    If that happens there will be even more deaths. These gangs will not just hand over this lucrative business to professional companies making the drugs. They will fight even more cos its very profitable for those at the top.

    Could you tell me who's going to win next year's grand national while you're looking into the future?

    By your logic why wouldn't criminal gangs take over the pharmacuetical or oil industry?

    If the prohibition of alcohol in the US and then repeal of prohibition is anything to go by then perfectly legitimate buisnesses would sell drugs.

    The drug war is a catastrophic failure and support for it and the criminalisation of people who take drugs is immoral and sadistic.

    Legalize and normalise the whole lot starting with that evil plant marijuana.


  • #25
    Stev_o
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    rossie1977 wrote: »


    no but at this stage we should have realised prohibition does not work, you make sugar or tea/coffee illegal tomorrow and by friday you would have a massive black market selling those products, huge sugar cartels, thousands of people being killed

    So Mexico should legalise Class A drugs now? Ehh...


  • #26
    biko
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    Read they killed people "badmouthing" them on a Mexican website.
    http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-14/world/mexico.violence_1_zetas-cartel-social-media-users-nuevo-laredo?_s=PM:WORLD

    ****ed up, this **** is.

    edit, Biggins was first


  • #27
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Should we just legalise all criminal activity to stop them neing bold boys?

    WTF type of argument is this to put forward?

    How about we don't criminalise people who mean no harm to anyone (people who choose to take drugs) in the first place?

    The only people winning from the prohibition of drugs are the often unsavoury characters who sell it and those employed by the state in their futile but profitable attempt to stop drug taking.


  • #28
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Stev_o wrote: »
    So Mexico should legalise Class A drugs now? Ehh...

    Yes the whole lot. Not just Mexico. Every civilised state.

    Would you rather keep flogging the dead horse of prohibition?


  • #29
    mackg
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    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Could you tell me who's going to win next year's grand national while you're looking into the future?

    By your logic why wouldn't criminal gangs take over the pharmacuetical or oil industry?

    If the prohibition of alcohol in the US and then repeal of prohibition is anything to go by then perfectly legitimate buisnesses would sell drugs.

    The drug war is a catastrophic failure and support for it and the criminalisation of people who take drugs is immoral and sadistic.

    Legalize and normalise the whole lot starting with that evil plant marijuana.

    If the U.S. government legalised marijuana and began to take in the kind of money in tax that the legalisation would yield then any cartels threatening that new cash cow would experience a whole new war on drugs.


  • #30
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    rossie1977 wrote: »



    no but at this stage we should have realised prohibition does not work, you make sugar or tea/coffee illegal tomorrow and by friday you would have a massive black market selling those products, huge sugar cartels, thousands of people being killed

    90% of the population wasnt using drugs on a daily basis then had it whipped out from under them, so it's nothing like an everyday item.

    When was the last time Coke and Heroin were legal and freely available in the developed world anyway?


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  • #31
    ilikepears
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    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Could you tell me who's going to win next year's grand national while you're looking into the future?

    By your logic why wouldn't criminal gangs take over the pharmacuetical or oil industry?

    If the prohibition of alcohol in the US and then repeal of prohibition is anything to go by then perfectly legitimate buisnesses would sell drugs.

    The drug war is a catastrophic failure and support for it and the criminalisation of people who take drugs is immoral and sadistic.

    Legalize and normalise the whole lot starting with that evil plant marijuana.

    Because they aren't currently involved in those industries obviously.
    And also obviously I cant look into the future but I guess you know that.

    I recognise that the legalisation of drugs could end all this murder eventually. However it would a very long time imo for it be implemented. I also think if drugs were legalised the situation could get a lot worse before it gets better. It wont be an overnight transformation.

    I'm just glad I don't live in Mexico. Its a very sad situation. However it's very easy for people to blame the government for the drug situation. Anybody who takes drugs and doesn't see the link between them and the gangs is deluded. The picture of the poor man and woman hanging from the bridge for blogging is incredibly disturbing.


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