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A Mexico City Center - 35 bodies dumped from trucks

Biggins

As if to prove how mad the world is, the Mexican gangs have been at it again sadly.
All the billions that have been spend in drug wars and still they can do this - dumping bodies in open public on a motorway!
Madness, pure madness.

SUSPECTED DRUG TRAFFICKERS drove two trucks to a main avenue in a Mexican Gulf coast city and dumped 35 bodies beneath an overpass during rush hour as gunmen stood guard and pointed their weapons at frightened drivers.
Horrified motorists trapped at the scene sent Twitter messages warning others to avoid the area on a thoroughfare near the biggest shopping mall in Boca del Rio.
The gruesome scene was a sharp escalation in drug violence in Veracruz state, which sits on an important route for drugs and Central American migrants heading north.

Story continues with also picture link: http://www.thejournal.ie/35-bodies-dumped-on-mexican-street-during-rush-hour-232667-Sep2011/

Very sad - when will it end?

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Seachmall

Local media said that 12 of the victims were women and that some of the dead men had been among prisoners who escaped from three Veracruz prisons on Monday, but Escobar said he couldn’t confirm that.

This happened before. 5 men "escape" prison, days later found hanging from an over pass. It was then discovered, although unproven, that the men had been released early and without papers filed. It's believed the cartels ordered their release and hung them to make a statement.

Shocking stuff, and mostly funded by that crazy drug weed.

latenia

Biggins wrote: »

Very sad - when will it end?

Don't worry Gus Fring is on the case.

Temptamperu

Holy fúck, is there nothing that can be done about these cartels?

The_Kew_Tour

Heard worse stories then that, if ya can believe...

There is no law in that country at all.

Sad because they have some of the nicest people I have ever met

Biggins

Its very sad. I think now over 15,000 people (that we know of so far) have been killed in this drug war - and there is no end in sight.
Its unreal! It leaves me speechless when I read about such things still able to go on.

builttospill

It will end when governments have a reality check and legalise drugs.

My name is URL

builttospill wrote: »

It will end when governments have a reality check and legalise drugs.

I don't think it's as straight forward as that when you're talking about these cartels. If it was made legal they'd still be supplying stuff in direct competition to those doing it legally.

ilikepears

builttospill wrote: »

It will end when governments have a reality check and legalise drugs.

If that happens there will be even more deaths. These gangs will not just hand over this lucrative business to professional companies making the drugs. They will fight even more cos its very profitable for those at the top.

Standman

Biggins wrote: »

Very sad - when will it end?

When drugs are legalised and regulated.

ejmaztec

Biggins wrote: »

Its very sad. I think now over 15,000 people (that we know of so far) have been killed in this drug war - and there is no end in sight.
Its unreal! It leaves me speechless when I read about such things still able to go on.

On this thread, the quoted article mentions 34600 killed since December 2006, absolutely unbelievable.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=74435156

Biggins

ejmaztec wrote: »

On this thread, the quoted article mentions 34600 killed since December 2006, absolutely unbelievable.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=74435156

In this day and age for a country that has the capability to be so modern in operation and availability to technology and possible shared intelligence from their neighbors, its crazy!

KeithAFC

How do so many people get killed and caught up in it? Those numbers are crazy.

ejmaztec

KeithAFC wrote: »

How do so many people get killed and caught up in it? Those numbers are crazy.

Big cartels and private armies. I see some reports mention deserters from Mexican special forces running at least one operation. :eek:

Yitzhak Rabin

Legalizing it in the states would stop it.

It would get more violent initially as the drug cartels fight to continue to control the trade. But as more and more legitimate farmers in the states, canada and elsewhere grow it, they would simply outcompete the gangs, as they don't have the overheads of bribes, weapons, guards, etc. to pay. The cartels would be starved of cash and would eventually weaken and the mexican govt. with US support could finally beat them.

Obviously Mexico wouldn't become some kind of utopia, and it wouldn't happen overnight, but seriously, I don't think we'd be looking at those kind of staggering death tolls.

pragmatic1

I actually think Mexico needs a short term brutal dictator to take on the cartels. That country is sliding into anarchy very quickly.

pragmatic1

ejmaztec wrote: »

Big cartels and private armies. I see some reports mention deserters from Mexican special forces running at least one operation. :eek:

Los Zetas is full of ex-army, police and special forces.

pablomakaveli

The other day i read about a young man and woman in Mexico who were killed for criticising the gangs on Facebook. The girl had been hogtied and disembowled and the man had been shot in the head i think. Both were left hanging from a bridge.

I really feel sorry for the Mexican people. It's horrible that so many innocents are being slaughtered.:(

Guy:Incognito

builttospill wrote: »

It will end when governments have a reality check and legalise drugs.

Should we just legalise all criminal activity to stop them neing bold boys?

yekahS wrote: »

It would get more violent initially as the drug cartels fight to continue to control the trade. But as more and more legitimate farmers in the states, canada and elsewhere grow it, they would simply outcompete the gangs, as they don't have the overheads of bribes, weapons, guards, etc. to pay. The cartels would be starved of cash and would eventually weaken and the mexican govt. with US support could finally beat them..

Easy to say from a distance. Woudl you be ok with being collateral damage as part of the escalation or is it just ok cos it other people?

keitho Dublin

Escobar were did i hear that name before:rolleyes: but anyway it will only stop when USA stop telling other people what to do up to 2006 mexico was if not fine better then were it is now

Giselle

pablomakaveli wrote: »

The other day i read about a young man and woman in Mexico who were killed for criticising the gangs on Facebook. The girl had been hogtied and disembowled and the man had been shot in the head i think. Both were left hanging from a bridge.

Nightmares now for me tonight

It sounds worse than the situation in Libya, except instead of a country ruined by a dictator, its a country ruined by cartels.

Biggins

pablomakaveli wrote: »

The other day i read about a young man and woman in Mexico who were killed for criticising the gangs on Facebook. The girl had been hogtied and disembowled and the man had been shot in the head i think. Both were left hanging from a bridge.

I really feel sorry for the Mexican people. It's horrible that so many innocents are being slaughtered.:(

Was reading about that in the Times.
The pair were supposedly using a well known site for reporting anonymous drug crimes going on.
They were hung from the bridge in broad daylight so to provide a warning to others not to open their mouths.
The drugs gangs cannot really stop people posting anon' stuff so they are trying to further put fear into the people.

See: http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-14/world/mexico.violence_1_zetas-cartel-social-media-users-nuevo-laredo?_s=PM:WORLD

More than 34,600 people have died in drug-related violence since Mexican President Felipe Calderon announced a crackdown on cartels in December 2006, according to government statistics. Other reports have listed a higher toll. The latest Mexican government tally was released in January.

rossie1977

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't think it's as straight forward as that when you're talking about these cartels. If it was made legal they'd still be supplying stuff in direct competition to those doing it legally.

ilikepears wrote: »

If that happens there will be even more deaths. These gangs will not just hand over this lucrative business to professional companies making the drugs. They will fight even more cos its very profitable for those at the top.

how well is the illegal alcohol trade doing in the states these days?? maybe its just me but i haven't heard of anyone getting stupidly rich from selling illegal alcohol since the 1920s, no mass killings involving illegal alcohol either, strange that

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Should we just legalise all criminal activity to stop them neing bold boys?

no but at this stage we should have realised prohibition does not work, you make sugar or tea/coffee illegal tomorrow and by friday you would have a massive black market selling those products, huge sugar cartels, thousands of people being killed

Chuck Stone

ilikepears wrote: »

If that happens there will be even more deaths. These gangs will not just hand over this lucrative business to professional companies making the drugs. They will fight even more cos its very profitable for those at the top.

Could you tell me who's going to win next year's grand national while you're looking into the future?

By your logic why wouldn't criminal gangs take over the pharmacuetical or oil industry?

If the prohibition of alcohol in the US and then repeal of prohibition is anything to go by then perfectly legitimate buisnesses would sell drugs.

The drug war is a catastrophic failure and support for it and the criminalisation of people who take drugs is immoral and sadistic.

Legalize and normalise the whole lot starting with that evil plant marijuana.

Stev_o

rossie1977 wrote: »

no but at this stage we should have realised prohibition does not work, you make sugar or tea/coffee illegal tomorrow and by friday you would have a massive black market selling those products, huge sugar cartels, thousands of people being killed

So Mexico should legalise Class A drugs now? Ehh...

biko

Read they killed people "badmouthing" them on a Mexican website.
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-14/world/mexico.violence_1_zetas-cartel-social-media-users-nuevo-laredo?_s=PM:WORLD

****ed up, this **** is.

edit, Biggins was first

Chuck Stone

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Should we just legalise all criminal activity to stop them neing bold boys?

WTF type of argument is this to put forward?

How about we don't criminalise people who mean no harm to anyone (people who choose to take drugs) in the first place?

The only people winning from the prohibition of drugs are the often unsavoury characters who sell it and those employed by the state in their futile but profitable attempt to stop drug taking.

Chuck Stone

Stev_o wrote: »

So Mexico should legalise Class A drugs now? Ehh...

Yes the whole lot. Not just Mexico. Every civilised state.

Would you rather keep flogging the dead horse of prohibition?

mackg

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Could you tell me who's going to win next year's grand national while you're looking into the future?

By your logic why wouldn't criminal gangs take over the pharmacuetical or oil industry?

If the prohibition of alcohol in the US and then repeal of prohibition is anything to go by then perfectly legitimate buisnesses would sell drugs.

The drug war is a catastrophic failure and support for it and the criminalisation of people who take drugs is immoral and sadistic.

Legalize and normalise the whole lot starting with that evil plant marijuana.

If the U.S. government legalised marijuana and began to take in the kind of money in tax that the legalisation would yield then any cartels threatening that new cash cow would experience a whole new war on drugs.

Guy:Incognito

rossie1977 wrote: »

no but at this stage we should have realised prohibition does not work, you make sugar or tea/coffee illegal tomorrow and by friday you would have a massive black market selling those products, huge sugar cartels, thousands of people being killed

90% of the population wasnt using drugs on a daily basis then had it whipped out from under them, so it's nothing like an everyday item.

When was the last time Coke and Heroin were legal and freely available in the developed world anyway?

ilikepears

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Could you tell me who's going to win next year's grand national while you're looking into the future?

By your logic why wouldn't criminal gangs take over the pharmacuetical or oil industry?

If the prohibition of alcohol in the US and then repeal of prohibition is anything to go by then perfectly legitimate buisnesses would sell drugs.

The drug war is a catastrophic failure and support for it and the criminalisation of people who take drugs is immoral and sadistic.

Legalize and normalise the whole lot starting with that evil plant marijuana.

Because they aren't currently involved in those industries obviously.
And also obviously I cant look into the future but I guess you know that.

I recognise that the legalisation of drugs could end all this murder eventually. However it would a very long time imo for it be implemented. I also think if drugs were legalised the situation could get a lot worse before it gets better. It wont be an overnight transformation.

I'm just glad I don't live in Mexico. Its a very sad situation. However it's very easy for people to blame the government for the drug situation. Anybody who takes drugs and doesn't see the link between them and the gangs is deluded. The picture of the poor man and woman hanging from the bridge for blogging is incredibly disturbing.