(US) Don't Ask Don't Tell officially repealed

Robdude · 20-09-2011 07:25PM

WolfForager wrote: »

Take away their guns and swords and let some hand to hand combat commence.

That's like saying I can beat up the best MMA fighter in the world....if you don't let him use his arms or legs and instead of fighting we have to play chess.

WolfForager · 20-09-2011 07:28PM

Robdude wrote: »

That's like saying I can beat up the best MMA fighter in the world....if you don't let him use his arms or legs and instead of fighting we have to play chess.

This is true, if this wasn't after hours the point i would have made that for the time the Spartans or say the Romans (2 different eras yes i know) were the greatest fighting force on earth. The US saying that they are the greatest in history when taken into a comparative view is a teeny weeny bit.. over the top.

Seachmall · 20-09-2011 07:32PM

Rawhead wrote: »

I love the way a pacifist, cowardly, neutral nation goes and slags the one country that has allowed us to be pacifist, cowardly and neutral all these years. The U.S. has made some big mistakes over the years but to see spineless cowards such as yourselves slagging about oil grabs and Spartans is hypocrisy of the highest order. If America doesn't secure oil then who the fcuk will do it for us, the Irish army? I presume all you clowns cycle everywhere, never fly and live in passively heated homes.
You stupid left wing motherfcukers make me sick.

The fcuking Spartans indeed.

It's not hypocrisy to point out the BS. The US army have nothing on ancient armies who would hike 100s or 1000s of miles through all conditions and dominate vastly larger forces (pick any great ancient civilization for examples).

The US has quite probably the greatest army of modern times but not the greatest warriors in history and far from it. Technology today means soldiers don't need to do what was needed in ancient times and that's fine, they should just lay-off the transparent propaganda if they don't want others to laugh.

Overheal · 20-09-2011 07:34PM

WolfForager wrote: »

Tell that to the spartans.

Spartans were certainly very skilled warriors but it would be difficult to compare their agility and adaptability to a modern fighting force. Nevermind that they fought with a shield and spear, not cruisers, tanks, helicopters, jets, rifles, missiles, satellites, drones, radios, etc.

Dotsie~tmp · 20-09-2011 07:35PM

Dont ask, dont tell

Dont fu*king care. We live in Ireland.

Rawhead · 20-09-2011 07:52PM

Seachmall wrote: »

It's not hypocrisy to point out the BS. The US army have nothing on ancient armies who would hike 100s or 1000s of miles through all conditions and dominate vastly larger forces (pick any great ancient civilization for examples).

The US has quite probably the greatest army of modern times but not the greatest warriors in history and far from it. Technology today means soldiers don't need to do what was needed in ancient times and that's fine, they should just lay-off the transparent propaganda if they don't want others to laugh.

I am talking about the people using any chance to have a dig at the states with regards the middle east, vietnam etc etc.
The USA has provided countless generations of Irish people with a chance of a new life, they liberated Europe (along with the Soviets, the brits did fcuk all) and beat the Japanese.
I have no doubt the Spartans, Romans, Athenians or Persians were excellent warriors, but that was thousands of years ago and about as relevant as spear to a cruise missile. The U.S. has the worlds greatest military at the moment, have had for the last 50 years and will for the next 50years.
I wonder will China be as benevolent a force in the future as the U.S has been. They love free speech, religious freedom, gays, political dissent etc etc

hooradiation · 20-09-2011 08:03PM

Rawhead wrote: »

I am talking about the people using any chance to have a dig at the states with regards the middle east, vietnam etc etc.
The USA has provided countless generations of Irish people with a chance of a new life, they liberated Europe (along with the Soviets, the brits did fcuk all) and beat the Japanese.
I have no doubt the Spartans, Romans, Athenians or Persians were excellent warriors, but that was thousands of years ago and about as relevant as spear to a cruise missile. The U.S. has the worlds greatest military at the moment, have had for the last 50 years and will for the next 50years.
I wonder will China be as benevolent a force in the future as the U.S has been. They love free speech, religious freedom, gays, political dissent etc etc

How fucking fascinating. Please, tell me more.

Andy-Pandy · 20-09-2011 08:17PM

Rawhead wrote: »

the brits did fcuk all

Fcuk off with statements like that, 450000 of them died, and you mock their sacrifice. Your scum.

kincsem · 20-09-2011 08:20PM

Facts don't work with Americans.

squod · 20-09-2011 08:25PM

This apply to all the armed forces?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw

Seachmall · 20-09-2011 08:36PM

Rawhead wrote: »

I am talking about the people using any chance to have a dig at the states with regards the middle east, vietnam etc etc.
The USA has provided countless generations of Irish people with a chance of a new life, they liberated Europe (along with the Soviets, the brits did fcuk all) and beat the Japanese.
I have no doubt the Spartans, Romans, Athenians or Persians were excellent warriors, but that was thousands of years ago and about as relevant as spear to a cruise missile. The U.S. has the worlds greatest military at the moment, have had for the last 50 years and will for the next 50years.
I wonder will China be as benevolent a force in the future as the U.S has been. They love free speech, religious freedom, gays, political dissent etc etc

But you can't look at the good without looking at the bad. The US is a fine country no doubt but statements like the one the OP posted do nothing but make themselves look arrogant. Even if you're the best at what you do if you inflate yourself enough people are going to burst your bubble, and rightly so.

Fozzydog3 · 20-09-2011 08:38PM

I don't want no ****** protecting mah freedom !!!!

Manic Moran · 20-09-2011 08:40PM

About time and I bet the US army wont fall apart.

It won't, but I'll bet the lawsuits will start soon enough. The military is still separated along the lines of presumed sexual orientation.

NTM

Rawhead · 20-09-2011 08:42PM

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

Fcuk off with statements like that, 450000 of them died, and you mock their sacrifice. Your scum.

All they did was delay the end of the war with vain glorious attempts at holding on to some semblance of importance in the world stage. That pompous little prick monty's clown of an operation at Arnhem added 6 months to the war. Not mocking the British dead in any way but the history we get is from the BBC so its skewed. The soviets made the blood sacrifice while the Americans industrial might made up the rest. The most celebrated Brit action of the war is a complete rout in which they could have been completely wiped out but for Hitlers lunacy. The brits who died were brave soldiers.

Geekness1234 · 20-09-2011 08:51PM

Rawhead wrote: »

I love the way a pacifist, cowardly, neutral nation goes and slags the one country that has allowed us to be pacifist, cowardly and neutral all these years. The U.S. has made some big mistakes over the years but to see spineless cowards such as yourselves slagging about oil grabs and Spartans is hypocrisy of the highest order. If America doesn't secure oil then who the fcuk will do it for us, the Irish army? I presume all you clowns cycle everywhere, never fly and live in passively heated homes.
You stupid left wing motherfcukers make me sick.

The fcuking Spartans indeed.

Even if you don't like to admit it,we owe a lot to America,more so the U.S. military and I hope i'm not the only one who wants to give something back.

4leto · 20-09-2011 09:03PM

Geekness1234 wrote: »

Even if you don't like to admit it,we owe a lot to America,more so the U.S. military and I hope i'm not the only one who wants to give something back.

I feel the same way, I don't know about giving anything back, but as I posted earlier I think the world is a better place because of them. And yes they didn't always use that power well, they did make mistakes, but Americans will admit to them.

I think China will be the next Superpower and I fear them. We will look on the American era as a golden age.

JupiterKid · 20-09-2011 09:07PM

Hmmm...haven't we gone way off topic?

This was long, long overdue but very welcome.

So the US military is basically 20 years behind the rest of the developed world (Ireland's defense forces lifted its ban in 1993 when gay sex was decriminalised) but I suppose it s acase of better late than never. A piece of rank bigotry and official homophobia has been struck down.

Geekness1234 · 20-09-2011 09:11PM

4leto wrote: »

I feel the same way, I don't know about giving anything back, but as I posted earlier I think the world is a better place because of them. And yes they didn't always use that power well, they did make mistakes, but Americans will admit to them.

I think China will be the next Superpower and I fear them. We will look on the American era as a golden age.

China won't be,because they are dependant on American purchasing power,so China needs America more than America needs China.
I could go on for ages but I'd rather not,to be honest.

Overheal · 20-09-2011 09:15PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

It won't, but I'll bet the lawsuits will start soon enough. The military is still separated along the lines of presumed sexual orientation.

NTM

What kind of lawsuits? From those discharged from the military unter DADT or from military organization?

LostCorkGuy · 20-09-2011 09:30PM

Can't wait to see what rubbish these idiots come up with in relation to this news

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBJy-Rvb2ys&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Mike 1972 · 20-09-2011 09:36PM

Rawhead wrote: »

The USA has provided countless generations of Irish people with a chance of a new life, they liberated Europe (along with the Soviets, the brits did fcuk all) and beat the Japanese.

Where were the US and USSR* prior to 1941 ?

* Apart from Eastern Poland etc

Geekness1234 · 20-09-2011 09:47PM

China will probably become America's next great enemy,but will not overtake them in the next 50 years.Surprising as it may seem but people underestimate America.

Dangerous Man · 20-09-2011 10:21PM

Rawhead wrote: »

I love the way a pacifist, cowardly, neutral nation goes and slags the one country that has allowed us to be pacifist, cowardly and neutral all these years. The U.S. has made some big mistakes over the years but to see spineless cowards such as yourselves slagging about oil grabs and Spartans is hypocrisy of the highest order. If America doesn't secure oil then who the fcuk will do it for us, the Irish army? I presume all you clowns cycle everywhere, never fly and live in passively heated homes.
You stupid left wing motherfcukers make me sick.

The fcuking Spartans indeed.

By far the most moronic, ignorant post I've ever seen on boards. Here are your fucking heroes in action.

NSFW or the faint of heart.

Justify this: the 'oh dude' pilot had NO IDEA who he was shooting at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3IS2-LeIz0

Manic Moran · 20-09-2011 10:24PM

Rawhead wrote: »

That pompous little prick monty's clown of an operation at Arnhem added 6 months to the war. Not mocking the British dead in any way but the history we get is from the BBC so its skewed. The soviets made the blood sacrifice while the Americans industrial might made up the rest.

The pompous little prick in question seemed to do OK in North Africa. I also am not convinced by your assertion that the war could have ended 6 months earlier. The point of Arnhem was that, if it worked, it was far more logsitics-efficient than a conventional slog across Europe, and logistics were the main problem. Had Arnhem not occurred, would the Western powers been able to have made it to Berlin before the Red Army?

From those discharged from the military unter DADT or from military organization?

No, from those still in. The argument goes that they are now forced to lose their privacy from those known to be sexually oriented towards them as they share showers or whatnot and there is now a known discrimination in the Army: I can't think of a legal principle why soldiers should be separated on the presumption of sexual orientation (i.e. female and male showers) which doesn't also apply in the case of homosexuals. It will be an interesting court case. Personally, I think the simplest and fairest solution is for everybody to get over their inhibitions and share facilities. It's far cheaper and easier logistically for starters.

Justify this: the 'oh dude' pilot had NO IDEA who he was shooting at.

He doesn't need to. A fire mission or CAS mission is under the responsibility of the person calling it, not the pilot. In such a case, the pilot is just the delivery system, he blows up whatever he's told to. I have been unable to find any article or report which explains the backstory, unfortunately, Google seems to provide a whole lot of results saying "Look at the evil Americans" with absolutely no analysis and not much else.

NTM

JupiterKid · 20-09-2011 10:30PM

This is pretty moving.

A young US soldier based in Germany made a Youtube video where he comes out as a gay man to his father in Alabama. He timed the recording to coincide with the repeal of the ban of openly gay people to serve in the US military.

Rawhead · 20-09-2011 10:36PM

Dangerous Man wrote: »

By far the most moronic, ignorant post I've ever seen on boards. Here are your fucking heroes in action.

NSFW or the faint of heart.

Justify this: the 'oh dude' pilot had NO IDEA who he was shooting at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3IS2-LeIz0

I take it that you have heard the whole tape and not the 58 seconds that are played here. The person he was talking to was probably a forward air controller who would have been looking directly at the people in question. The fighting in Fallujha was some of the fiercest of the last 50 years and I would have no doubt that was a group of armed enemy combatants.

Like me to justify anything else. I hope you are typing your replies on a solar powered computer made in a wave powered factory and transported to your local eco shop by a sail boat.

Rawhead · 20-09-2011 10:45PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

The pompous little prick in question seemed to do OK in North Africa. I also am not convinced by your assertion that the war could have ended 6 months earlier. The point of Arnhem was that, if it worked, it was far more logsitics-efficient than a conventional slog across Europe, and logistics were the main problem. Had Arnhem not occurred, would the Western powers been able to have made it to Berlin before the Red Army?

I think its fairly well accepted that operation market garden was poorly planned and badly executed. It was justifiable to take the risks involved as it would have opened up northern Germany, but, itfailed and the resultant loss of men and resources lengthened the war. Monty was the Allied ground commander and thus he shoulders the blame.

Seachmall · 20-09-2011 10:54PM

Rawhead wrote: »

Like me to justify anything else. I hope you are typing your replies on a solar powered computer made in a wave powered factory and transported to your local eco shop by a sail boat.

You do realize him criticizing the US military in this instance, and in other similar instances, in no way reflects his general view of the US, right? It's just you appear to be assuming that Dangerous Man, and others who share his opinion, is currently burning a US flag.

The US are a super power and as a result they are open to criticism. They HAVE to be open to criticism and they need to deal with it and respond it accordingly. By blowing off opinions like Dangerous Man's (and others in this thread) as those held by some anti-American "coward" you can't take full heed of the importance of those criticisms.

Rawhead · 20-09-2011 11:26PM

Seachmall wrote: »

You do realize him criticizing the US military in this instance, and in other similar instances, in no way reflects his general view of the US, right? It's just you appear to be assuming that Dangerous Man, and others who share his opinion, is currently burning a US flag.

The US are a super power and as a result they are open to criticism. They HAVE to be open to criticism and they need to deal with it and respond it accordingly. By blowing off opinions like Dangerous Man's (and others in this thread) as those held by some anti-American "coward" you can't take full heed of the importance of those criticisms.

I am not a blind follower of America or her foreign policies. I believe they have made some serious mistakes since the end of WW2. Their actions in South America and the Nicaragua especially were grotesque. I also believe that by blindly backing Israel they have damaged beyond repair they're standing with the Arab country's. George Bush lacked the intellect to herd goats in Azerbaijan never mind lead the free world. I also hate the way that politics are becoming so partisan and Fox news and loads of other things.

What annoys me is that the left wing leanings of a large proportion of this country are using any and every opportunity to have a shot at America. I am biased because the states were very good to my family not to mention millions of other families from all over the world. It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that Iraq was about oil as is Libya which is a French and British backed operation but they are not being lambasted about it. I have to heat my home to keep my family warm, I have to drive my car to work to get money to feed my family, where are we going to get this oil? I wish that I wasn't so dependent on oil but I am and for now I am not going to criticise the people who get me that oil.
I wish some of the self righteous hypocrites sitting in a home heated by oil, typing on a computer that is powered by a oil fueled power plant would cop on. That video was 58 seconds long, taken during a battle that lasted weeks and the poster thinks it's in context, get a grip. If you can pull me up for backing America at least have the balls to criticise that sh1te as well.

A Primal Nut · 20-09-2011 11:36PM

WolfForager wrote: »

This is true, if this wasn't after hours the point i would have made that for the time the Spartans or say the Romans (2 different eras yes i know) were the greatest fighting force on earth. The US saying that they are the greatest in history when taken into a comparative view is a teeny weeny bit.. over the top.

The US would destroy any other army in history apart from modern day China and perhaps 1 or 2 two others in the modern era.

If they didn't care about civilian casualties the taliban would be gone long ago. As for the Spartans or Romans, they wouldn't know what hit them.

(US) Don't Ask Don't Tell officially repealed

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