(US) Don't Ask Don't Tell officially repealed

Resi12

Today marks the end of ‘Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. The law is repealed. From this day forward, gay and lesbian soldiers may serve in our Army with the dignity and respect they deserve. Our rules, regulations and politics reflect the repeal guidance issued by the Department of Defense and will apply uniformly without regard to sexual orientation, which is a personal and private matter.

For over 236 years, the U.S. Army has been an extraordinary force for good in the world. Our soldiers are the most agile, adaptable and capable warriors in history—and we are ready for this change…

Accordingly, we expect all personnel to follow our values by implementing the repeal fully, fairly and in accordance with policy guidance. It is the duty of all personnel to treat each other with dignity and respect, while maintaining good order and discipline throughout our ranks. Doing so, will help the U.S. Army remain the strength of the nation.”

I'm happy this silly discrimination is over. It will seriously be one of those things people look back on and just think "Wtf" in years to come.

Snakeblood

ORGY TIME.

Dangerous Man

There's going to be an awful lot of asking, and an awful lot of telling going on now. I hope you're all happy.

Saila

the U.S. Army has been an extraordinary force for good in the world

*gets popcorn*

Axe Rake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np6_b-72H3E

Dangerous Man

Resi12 wrote: »

I'm happy this silly discrimination is over. It will seriously be one of those things people look back on and just think "Wtf" in years to come.

Now homosexuals can kill brown people too. Joy.

stmol32

Resi12 wrote: »

For over 236 years, the U.S. Army has been an extraordinary force for good in the world.

Tell that to the apaches.

Resi12

Dangerous Man wrote: »

Now homosexuals can kill brown people too. Joy.

No need to belittle it, I get your point but it's a big step forward. Well done to Obama.

4leto

About time and I bet the US army wont fall apart. The weird thing to spite having to be a very adaptable organisation as in war the scenario changes all the time. But armies with their traditions tend to be very structured and conservative.

So you get a history of armies resisting change, for instance with the US army,,if you let the Irish join the moral and discipline will break down,,it didn't, then the Blacks, it didn't breakdown, then woman again it didn't break down and now gays and it will continue with out noticing.

Except I go with Bill Hicks "anyone stupid enough to join the American military then let them".

Seachmall

Our soldiers are the most agile, adaptable and capable warriors in history

Well that's bollox.

Geekness1234

'Bout time if you ask me.

stmol32

Geekness1234 wrote: »

'Bout time if you ask me.

Now we can ask you.
And you can tell us now too, yay.

Geekness1234

stmol32 wrote: »

Now we can ask you.
And you can tell us now too, yay.

?????

kincsem

Seachmall wrote: »

Well that's bollox.

Agree. It just proves the USA is fail at history.

kincsem

Resi12 wrote: »

For over 236 years, the U.S. Army has been an extraordinary force for good in the world. Our soldiers are the most agile, adaptable and capable warriors in history—and we are ready for this change…

Untruths
1. For over 236 years, the U.S. Army has been an extraordinary force for good in the world.
2. Our soldiers are the most agile, adaptable and capable warriors in history
3. and we are ready for this change…

The rest of the quote is true :pac:

stmol32

Don't ask don't tell

Geekness1234 wrote: »

'Bout time if you ask me.

It was only luke warm as a joke in the first place but now that I've explained it I feel so very wrong.

Geekness1234

Fair enough.

Dangerous Man

Resi12 wrote: »

No need to belittle it, I get your point but it's a big step forward. Well done to Obama.

Yeah. Bill Hicks said it best:

'anybody... DUMB ENOUGH, to want to join the military - should be allowed to join.'

I agree with Hicks. I'm not belittling anything - just giving my opinion. The US military hasn't exactly painted itself in glory over the past forty years. They've been involved in more 'bad' wars than good, and their reputation, outside of the US, is pretty much garbage. If gays want to join that - bully for them. Equal opporunity oil grabs.

The_Thing

I doubt there's any poofters in the Taliban.

Eric Cartman

For over 236 years, the U.S. Army has been an extraordinary force for good in the world.

AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA , that lad, always the comedian , either that or he just forgot about 70% of what the us army has ever done

Hobbes

There was a show a few months back (back when McCains held was spinning from the bill). I don't recall the military guy, but he was quite senior. IIRC he said that most people know who is gay, just no one talks about it and most don't care.

So it looks like this is just an official ending to something that has ended a while ago.

4leto

But they have in the majority of cases.

They beat an imperialistic germany twice

They kept an aggressive soviet union and the spread of communism at bay

And they are trying stop the Taliban from getting hold of Pakistani nukes.

PK2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt8OvA3RqQU

Eric Cartman

4leto wrote: »

But they have in the majority of cases.

They beat an imperialistic germany twice

They kept an aggressive soviet union and the spread of communism at bay

And they are trying stop the Taliban from getting hold of Pakistani nukes.

yeah and then there was ofcourse : iraq, afghanistan , vietnam, the gulf war, hiroshima, nagasaki , helping isreal and enforcing apartheid in the US

4leto

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yeah and then there was ofcourse : iraq, afghanistan , vietnam, the gulf war, hiroshima, nagasaki , helping isreal and enforcing apartheid in the US

I could add a lot more
But they got the big ones right, they have use their power badly at times, I think it would have been a much worse world without them.

Lets see what China will do when they are an unchallenged superpower.

WolfForager

Our soldiers are the most agile, adaptable and capable warriors in history

Tell that to the spartans.

Robdude

WolfForager wrote: »

Tell that to the spartans.

I doubt any modern army would have any trouble with the Spartans.

WolfForager

Robdude wrote: »

I doubt any modern army would have any trouble with the Spartans.

Take away their guns and swords and let some hand to hand combat commence.

4leto

The American army for most its history always had the best capability.

But soldier wise I would say the Wehrmacht even though they lost in the end, they gave the world a run for their money

Modern army probably the Israelis or the Taliban.

Rawhead

I love the way a pacifist, cowardly, neutral nation goes and slags the one country that has allowed us to be pacifist, cowardly and neutral all these years. The U.S. has made some big mistakes over the years but to see spineless cowards such as yourselves slagging about oil grabs and Spartans is hypocrisy of the highest order. If America doesn't secure oil then who the fcuk will do it for us, the Irish army? I presume all you clowns cycle everywhere, never fly and live in passively heated homes.
You stupid left wing motherfcukers make me sick.

The fcuking Spartans indeed.

WolfForager

Rawhead wrote: »

I love the way a pacifist, cowardly, neutral nation goes and slags the one country that has allowed us to be pacifist, cowardly and neutral all these years. The U.S. has made some big mistakes over the years but to see spineless cowards such as yourselves slagging about oil grabs and Spartans is hypocrisy of the highest order. If America doesn't secure oil then who the fcuk will do it for us, the Irish army? I presume all you clowns cycle everywhere, never fly and live in passively heated homes.
You stupid left wing motherfcukers make me sick.

The fcuking Spartans indeed.

Cool story bro.

Robdude

WolfForager wrote: »

Take away their guns and swords and let some hand to hand combat commence.

That's like saying I can beat up the best MMA fighter in the world....if you don't let him use his arms or legs and instead of fighting we have to play chess.

WolfForager

Robdude wrote: »

That's like saying I can beat up the best MMA fighter in the world....if you don't let him use his arms or legs and instead of fighting we have to play chess.

This is true, if this wasn't after hours the point i would have made that for the time the Spartans or say the Romans (2 different eras yes i know) were the greatest fighting force on earth. The US saying that they are the greatest in history when taken into a comparative view is a teeny weeny bit.. over the top.

Seachmall

Rawhead wrote: »

I love the way a pacifist, cowardly, neutral nation goes and slags the one country that has allowed us to be pacifist, cowardly and neutral all these years. The U.S. has made some big mistakes over the years but to see spineless cowards such as yourselves slagging about oil grabs and Spartans is hypocrisy of the highest order. If America doesn't secure oil then who the fcuk will do it for us, the Irish army? I presume all you clowns cycle everywhere, never fly and live in passively heated homes.
You stupid left wing motherfcukers make me sick.

The fcuking Spartans indeed.

It's not hypocrisy to point out the BS. The US army have nothing on ancient armies who would hike 100s or 1000s of miles through all conditions and dominate vastly larger forces (pick any great ancient civilization for examples).

The US has quite probably the greatest army of modern times but not the greatest warriors in history and far from it. Technology today means soldiers don't need to do what was needed in ancient times and that's fine, they should just lay-off the transparent propaganda if they don't want others to laugh.

Overheal

WolfForager wrote: »

Tell that to the spartans.

Spartans were certainly very skilled warriors but it would be difficult to compare their agility and adaptability to a modern fighting force. Nevermind that they fought with a shield and spear, not cruisers, tanks, helicopters, jets, rifles, missiles, satellites, drones, radios, etc.

Dotsie~tmp

Dont ask, dont tell

Dont fu*king care. We live in Ireland.

Rawhead

Seachmall wrote: »

It's not hypocrisy to point out the BS. The US army have nothing on ancient armies who would hike 100s or 1000s of miles through all conditions and dominate vastly larger forces (pick any great ancient civilization for examples).

The US has quite probably the greatest army of modern times but not the greatest warriors in history and far from it. Technology today means soldiers don't need to do what was needed in ancient times and that's fine, they should just lay-off the transparent propaganda if they don't want others to laugh.

I am talking about the people using any chance to have a dig at the states with regards the middle east, vietnam etc etc.
The USA has provided countless generations of Irish people with a chance of a new life, they liberated Europe (along with the Soviets, the brits did fcuk all) and beat the Japanese.
I have no doubt the Spartans, Romans, Athenians or Persians were excellent warriors, but that was thousands of years ago and about as relevant as spear to a cruise missile. The U.S. has the worlds greatest military at the moment, have had for the last 50 years and will for the next 50years.
I wonder will China be as benevolent a force in the future as the U.S has been. They love free speech, religious freedom, gays, political dissent etc etc

hooradiation

Rawhead wrote: »

I am talking about the people using any chance to have a dig at the states with regards the middle east, vietnam etc etc.
The USA has provided countless generations of Irish people with a chance of a new life, they liberated Europe (along with the Soviets, the brits did fcuk all) and beat the Japanese.
I have no doubt the Spartans, Romans, Athenians or Persians were excellent warriors, but that was thousands of years ago and about as relevant as spear to a cruise missile. The U.S. has the worlds greatest military at the moment, have had for the last 50 years and will for the next 50years.
I wonder will China be as benevolent a force in the future as the U.S has been. They love free speech, religious freedom, gays, political dissent etc etc

How fucking fascinating. Please, tell me more.

Andy-Pandy

Rawhead wrote: »

the brits did fcuk all

Fcuk off with statements like that, 450000 of them died, and you mock their sacrifice. Your scum.

kincsem

Facts don't work with Americans.

squod

This apply to all the armed forces?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw

Seachmall

Rawhead wrote: »

I am talking about the people using any chance to have a dig at the states with regards the middle east, vietnam etc etc.
The USA has provided countless generations of Irish people with a chance of a new life, they liberated Europe (along with the Soviets, the brits did fcuk all) and beat the Japanese.
I have no doubt the Spartans, Romans, Athenians or Persians were excellent warriors, but that was thousands of years ago and about as relevant as spear to a cruise missile. The U.S. has the worlds greatest military at the moment, have had for the last 50 years and will for the next 50years.
I wonder will China be as benevolent a force in the future as the U.S has been. They love free speech, religious freedom, gays, political dissent etc etc

But you can't look at the good without looking at the bad. The US is a fine country no doubt but statements like the one the OP posted do nothing but make themselves look arrogant. Even if you're the best at what you do if you inflate yourself enough people are going to burst your bubble, and rightly so.

Fozzydog3

I don't want no ****** protecting mah freedom !!!!

Manic Moran

About time and I bet the US army wont fall apart.

It won't, but I'll bet the lawsuits will start soon enough. The military is still separated along the lines of presumed sexual orientation.

NTM

Rawhead

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

Fcuk off with statements like that, 450000 of them died, and you mock their sacrifice. Your scum.

All they did was delay the end of the war with vain glorious attempts at holding on to some semblance of importance in the world stage. That pompous little prick monty's clown of an operation at Arnhem added 6 months to the war. Not mocking the British dead in any way but the history we get is from the BBC so its skewed. The soviets made the blood sacrifice while the Americans industrial might made up the rest. The most celebrated Brit action of the war is a complete rout in which they could have been completely wiped out but for Hitlers lunacy. The brits who died were brave soldiers.

Geekness1234

Rawhead wrote: »

I love the way a pacifist, cowardly, neutral nation goes and slags the one country that has allowed us to be pacifist, cowardly and neutral all these years. The U.S. has made some big mistakes over the years but to see spineless cowards such as yourselves slagging about oil grabs and Spartans is hypocrisy of the highest order. If America doesn't secure oil then who the fcuk will do it for us, the Irish army? I presume all you clowns cycle everywhere, never fly and live in passively heated homes.
You stupid left wing motherfcukers make me sick.

The fcuking Spartans indeed.

Even if you don't like to admit it,we owe a lot to America,more so the U.S. military and I hope i'm not the only one who wants to give something back.

4leto

Geekness1234 wrote: »

Even if you don't like to admit it,we owe a lot to America,more so the U.S. military and I hope i'm not the only one who wants to give something back.

I feel the same way, I don't know about giving anything back, but as I posted earlier I think the world is a better place because of them. And yes they didn't always use that power well, they did make mistakes, but Americans will admit to them.

I think China will be the next Superpower and I fear them. We will look on the American era as a golden age.

JupiterKid

Hmmm...haven't we gone way off topic?

This was long, long overdue but very welcome.

So the US military is basically 20 years behind the rest of the developed world (Ireland's defense forces lifted its ban in 1993 when gay sex was decriminalised) but I suppose it s acase of better late than never. A piece of rank bigotry and official homophobia has been struck down.

Geekness1234

4leto wrote: »

I feel the same way, I don't know about giving anything back, but as I posted earlier I think the world is a better place because of them. And yes they didn't always use that power well, they did make mistakes, but Americans will admit to them.

I think China will be the next Superpower and I fear them. We will look on the American era as a golden age.

China won't be,because they are dependant on American purchasing power,so China needs America more than America needs China.
I could go on for ages but I'd rather not,to be honest.

Overheal

Manic Moran wrote: »

It won't, but I'll bet the lawsuits will start soon enough. The military is still separated along the lines of presumed sexual orientation.

NTM

What kind of lawsuits? From those discharged from the military unter DADT or from military organization?

LostCorkGuy

Can't wait to see what rubbish these idiots come up with in relation to this news

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBJy-Rvb2ys&feature=youtube_gdata_player