What will be the last straw?.

ThinkAboutIt · 17-09-2011 05:14PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

Can I just say about the banking gaurantee when it happened in sept 08. I was extremely very busy with work. That was my life really - just work. And more work. I didn't understand what that bank guarantee was until last year. My fault really. I didn't pay attention to the news nor did I take time out to learn and understand what was happening around me. I sleepwalked right into the mess. I'm sure many others too. Looking back to 08 and 09 conversations with people would been about the weather, the weekend, other people, etc whereas now days conversations with people are mainly about the recession, bankers, developers, politicians, the bank guarantee. Many people did not understand that guarantee and what it meant until it was too frigging late.

You mean to say, that if you don't read the papers you don't know WE ARE IN CRISIS AND THE SKY IS FALLING. Amazing. Who would have thought it.

charlemont · 17-09-2011 05:34PM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Irish people have taken it without much if any response for years. The corruption, the lies, then a "new" government that continues on with the same practices. A servile government that obviously does not work for the Irish people.

Historically it has taken a lot before the people of this country finally snap. The question is.. What will be the last straw?.

When the Vaseline company goes bust then people will feel the pain !!

Biggins · 17-09-2011 05:42PM

ThinkAboutIt wrote: »

We have airports. They are open. Planes have been invented. You can use them.

You are free to leave the country AT ANY MOMENT if you are unhappy with your life. Do not live your whole life in a country you don't like. You only get one life.

You can of course stay and moan on Boards for the rest of your life either. Your choice eh.

Some of us don't do what some might see as a cowards way out occasionally and take the first flight available - rather because of love of our country, we stay and fight/debate for what we see is right.

The answer is not always to run away. It solves nothing.
We could of course also stay and meekly like sheep accept every bit of crap handed upon us, silently.
However some of us choose not to remain silent - sorry of that gets up your nose but it would be better if you learned to live with it.
It happens - we are all not you.

Frankly your post is a cheap, insulting shot that does your argument no good.

ThinkAboutIt · 17-09-2011 05:49PM

Biggins wrote: »

Some of us don't do what some might see as a cowards way out occasionally and take the first flight available - rather because of love of our country, we stay and fight/debate for what we see is right.

The answer is not always to run away. It solves nothing.
We could of course also stay and meekly like sheep accept every bit of crap handed upon us, silently.
However some of us choose not to remain silent - sorry of that gets up your nose but it would be better if you learned to live with it.
It happens - we are all not you.

Frankly your post is a cheap, insulting shot that does your argument no good.

If you are unhappy in a situation you change it. Complaining about the Gov constantly does not change anything.

Biggins · 17-09-2011 05:57PM

ThinkAboutIt wrote: »

If you are unhappy in a situation you change it.

I have done a hell of a lot actually - and I continue to do so.
If you bother to do your research, you would find this out.

ThinkAboutIt wrote: »

...Complaining about the Gov constantly does not change anything.

:pac:

God bless you - your young.
(Not a crime in itself but you still have a lot to learn I suspect)

ThinkAboutIt · 17-09-2011 06:08PM

We're in recession or whatever you like to call it since 2008. It is now months from 2012. What has changed?

We'll wait and see for the budget for reaction however I still firmly believe moaning about it won't change it.

As I said, if you are unhappy in Ireland you are free to leave. Unfortunately if you don't like the rules here that's just tough I'm afraid. It's not a popular view but that's the nuts and bolts of it.

Biggins · 17-09-2011 06:21PM

ThinkAboutIt wrote: »

...As I said, if you are unhappy in Ireland you are free to leave. Unfortunately if you don't like the rules here that's just tough I'm afraid. It's not a popular view but that's the nuts and bolts of it.

Your entitled to that view.
My view of your solution (to just leave) is that it's short-sightedness, crass in posting as a solution and not of any possible advantage to the state in the long run.
With that type of limited thinking, you'd have anyone that speak's up and out, on a plane or boat - exporting perhaps part of the best of our nation into exile.

Great thinking (not)!

charlemont · 17-09-2011 07:19PM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Give it time, it will be total chaos, for a while. Historically, when Ireland snaps, it does it in style.

Hopefully...

whubee · 17-09-2011 07:51PM

charlemont wrote: »

Hopefully...

What exactly could we do when we snap? do a london-style riot and smash ourselves up?

default? im not sure that would do much good either.

i dont think we can snap anymore.

parrai · 17-09-2011 10:00PM

meglome wrote: »

This stuff is funny. We're overspending by 15billion a year, just as well the Germans are paying for it or we'd be feeling some actually pain and not just doing a lot of moaning.

Who is moaning, it's a discussion board and we're discussing....

The germans are not paying for it, but imo they will be, when greece defaults and America is not able, (and they won't be) able to pay back their 16/17 TRILLION debt, not to mention Italy, Portugal and Spain...And as regards pain, there are ALOT of people in Ireland who are feeling it at the moment, and when the next budget is introduced, I really don't know what we are going to do as a nation.

I totally agree tho, that taking to the streets is something we don't do well as a country, and to be honest, I think that is a blessing in disguise, cause I think that would only lead to violence which is no good.

As for getting on a plane and running away... Now that's funny.

Geekness1234 · 17-09-2011 10:05PM

When you say revolt do you mean greek style riots or Libya style rebellion?

seraphimvc · 17-09-2011 10:06PM

feel so sad

ireland has given me a lot of good things but now i will probably settle down in uk. spent 1 year on getting a job here but failed. i really wish that i can do something for this country.

Geekness1234 · 17-09-2011 10:09PM

seraphimvc wrote: »

feel so sad ireland has given me a lot of good things but now i will probably settle down in uk. spent 1 year on getting a job here but failed. i really wish that i can do something for this country.

Nothing really you can do,so you shouldn't beat yourself up about it.

jive · 17-09-2011 10:14PM

Meanwhile, in Greece...
http://i.imgur.com/PQxs5.jpg

17-09-2011 10:21PM

Karona wrote: »

It's true what they say, thed rich get richer and the poor get poorer!:mad:

Not really, the money's devaluing quicker than they can stash it away.
You can have all the money in the world, but i's worthless if you can't spend it!

17-09-2011 10:23PM

The last straw will be when your cards stop working and you can't buy anything.
Then all bets are off!

17-09-2011 10:37PM

Domo230 wrote: »

Until I am presented a real alternative im not doing anything

Very wise decision!

Just look at Egypt, they dumped the previous government but the problems are still there!

grenache · 17-09-2011 10:41PM

There'll be no last straw. Irish people have shown themselves to be inherently lazy when it comes to getting anything done. We are also extremely bad organisers.

17-09-2011 10:46PM

grenache wrote: »

There'll be no last straw. Irish people have shown themselves to be inherently lazy when it comes to getting anything done. We are also extremely bad organisers.

There will be! it's just that we need to fall a lot further before enough are sufficiently pissed off to fight!

charlemont · 17-09-2011 10:48PM

whubee wrote: »

What exactly could we do when we snap? do a london-style riot and smash ourselves up?

default? im not sure that would do much good either.

i dont think we can snap anymore.

Rioting wont work here anyway but I'm thinking more along the lines of large protests and those responsible for the economic fiasco being arrested and dealt with accordingly, Think Chauchescu, Yes its a bit far fetched on my behalf but these c*nts are still living the high life on our peoples money.

not yet · 17-09-2011 10:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The last straw will be when your cards stop working and you can't buy anything.
Then all bets are off!

I've a glock on order for then.....

17-09-2011 11:03PM

not yet wrote: »

I've a glock on order for then.....

...and a shed full of beans

ilovesleep · 17-09-2011 11:14PM

This

Deleted User wrote: »

There will be! it's just that we need to fall a lot further before enough are sufficiently pissed off to fight!

And this:

charlemont wrote: »

Rioting wont work here anyway but I'm thinking more along the lines of large protests and those responsible for the economic fiasco being arrested and dealt with accordingly, Think Chauchescu, Yes its a bit far fetched on my behalf but these c*nts are still living the high life on our peoples money.

A problem as I see it is that the very people that took our econmony down - bankers, developers, politicians - have been rewarded while the nation is forced into picking up the tab which will have devastasting effects on many ordinary people and families and households across the country. Some people argue here on boards that we all got greedy with money with properties, holidays and cars. Some people were foolish and did, no doubt about it, but from what I have seen many did not and lived within their means.

We're now deep down sh1ts creek, there will be cutbacks, lack of services, higher taxes, severely reduced incomes and lifestyles which will lead to more unemployment while we see the very people that got us here swanning off into the sunset with their bonuses and pensions while the rest of us struggles.

Just last week we saw a top civil service person retire with a bonus of 600,000 euro and a pension of 100,000+ a year. How can they justify this and cutback on children hospital services and SNAs.

We really do need to see accountibilty, justice and fairness. Whatever happens after that hopefully we'll be able for it.

IMO there's still many people being far too comfortable in this country protected with the croke park agreement - an absolute shamples thats protecting over inflated wages at the expense of many of us here. When more and more people are effected there will be an outcry. Just goes goes to show how selfish and greedy some people are. How they will wait until their own pockets are hit severely before there is any sort of a battle to resist paying for the cock-ups of others. Until then there is a division being created, and more than likely they will turn their attention at the wrong sources like the unemployed, unmarried mothers, OAPs, the disabled as if all these people are responsible for runaway banks.

hatrickpatrick · 17-09-2011 11:17PM

meglome wrote: »

This stuff is funny. We're overspending by 15billion a year, just as well the Germans are paying for it or we'd be feeling some actually pain and not just doing a lot of moaning.

If we didn't have to bail out rotten banks so their precious bondholders don't lose their gambling money, we wouldn't have such a massive debt in the first place.

SafeSurfer · 17-09-2011 11:19PM

There will be a last straw. It may not be as a result of something that happens within Ireland but something externally.

For anyone who suggests that making a stand will change nothing just look at the history of our country. A small number of highly motivated people flew in the face of general public apathy in 1916 and paved the way for Irish independence.

The Irish state has never been less independent than it is presently.

What does the medium term future look like for Ireland?

* A further 3 to 4 years of budget cuts and increasing taxes.

* No prospect of wage increases.

* Further weakening of consumer sentiment and retail sales, spiralling down, down deeper and down.

* The Irish citizen taking huge pain to protect the financial institutions of the stronger European states only for further crisis in other EU countries such as Spain and Italy bringing the whole house of cards crashing down in any case.

* Emigration of anyone lucky enough to be in a position to get out.

* Higher crime and suicide rates.

Its going to be a bleak decade in Ireland, Europe and the west imho. We are mired in debt at every level, personal, national and supranational.

I will be using the presidential election to register my revulsion at the political system in this country. I will vote for Davis Norris if the political establishment allow him to run. If not I will swallow very, very hard and put my no. 1 beside Martin Mc Guinness.

Voting for a former terrorist is something I thought I would never do until very recently, as my posts in the Irish general election 2011 form will show.

In my school history book there was a picture of a group of volunteers outside liberty hall under a banner proclaiming
" We serve neither King nor Kaiser but Ireland".

How times have changed.

stacexD · 17-09-2011 11:29PM

not yet wrote: »

When They stop selling solphadine.............and handing out sleepers.

You already get interrogated by the chemist if you want them!

PseudoFamous · 17-09-2011 11:32PM

Riamfada wrote: »

The students are too wealthy and apathetic

You're certainly not an engineering student.

Solnskaya · 17-09-2011 11:33PM

you gotta laugh-"when ireland snaps, it does it with style":D When exactly did that happen??? And don't come with some sh1te about 1916, cos firstly, that lacked style, and secondly, feck all people actually got involved, most just carried on grazing and looked up to see what the noise was all about. Quite a lot actually just tut tutted at the bold rebels, makin all dat noise.
Before anyone starts with the check your facts crap, my wifes grandfather was one of the rebel leaders, so feck off.
Irish people never stick together, they are too busy sticking it into each other, so the status quo will just roll on. There aint, and will never be, a last straw. We will just suck it all up.

17-09-2011 11:39PM

Solnskaya wrote: »

you gotta laugh-"when ireland snaps, it does it with style":D When exactly did that happen??? And don't come with some sh1te about 1916, cos firstly, that lacked style, and secondly, feck all people actually got involved, most just carried on grazing and looked up to see what the noise was all about. Quite a lot actually just tut tutted at the bold rebels, makin all dat noise.
Before anyone starts with the check your facts crap, my wifes grandfather was one of the rebel leaders, so feck off.
Irish people never stick together, they are too busy sticking it into each other, so the status quo will just roll on. There aint, and will never be, a last straw. We will just suck it all up.

Back then the last straw was the clampdown during the weeks & months after the uprising, not the leadup to the uprising.

If there are any riots in the future, it will be how the authorities handle the situation that will determine whether they become a popular uprising or just a flash in the pan.

The recent London riots being an example of a flash in the pan, just the usual suspects and they got no support from the general public.

4Sheets · 17-09-2011 11:44PM

Notice all the IMF crap we are on track..on track for what exactly to be a 3rd world nation by 2015..I dont know if things get pushed out any further then its bad news..by the middle of 2012 things need to be getting back on track..I dont blame FG..they inherited a complete mess..there damm they all can do now except present a brave face an say things are gonna get better:)

What will be the last straw?.

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