Ireland, 2010-2011: who's emigrating, and who's immigrating?

mandrake04 · 17-09-2011 02:19AM

ssbob wrote: »

If you have the choice of working in a sh1t job here or do a sh1t job in Australia assuming you have no ties you are going to take the latter option for a year or so anyway!

Probably at most for a year or maybe 2, a sh!t job wont keep in Australia unless you go illegal.

4Sheets · 20-09-2011 11:37PM

This well hidden on the news...wasnt sure of the fiqures so I searched RTE.Ive definately noticed an increase in non natives in the last year around here..I reckon these fiqures are to the low end of the guesstimates.I alluded to Facebook in a previous post and well I guess we can grumble but they are putting money into the economy.
Also an Indian It company 80 jobs today...I expect the abilty to speak Indian will be a requirement.:rolleyes:
But the majority of people outside the city centre are far from Facebook emploee..
I think people can stay and work here but not claim dole or gain citzenship except by Birth.
They come seeking refuge and they are fairly well looked after I guess..certainly many Irish familes have less.But Refugee is not what they want they want to live here..just how many taxi jobs are out there.42,000 in a year when theres barely a job to be found

OneArt · 20-09-2011 11:46PM

4Sheets wrote: »

I expect the abilty to speak Indian will be a requirement.

If only there were such a language as India it'd probably make living there a lot simpler!

HavingCrack · 21-09-2011 01:25AM

4Sheets wrote: »

I think people can stay and work here but not claim dole or gain citzenship except by Birth.
/QUOTE]

Citizenship can either be gained via birth in Ireland, having an Irish citizen as a parent or grandparent, marriage to an Irish citizen or via naturalisation (usually a minimum of 5 years residency before this can be considered). If people have been here for more than 5 years they're entitled to apply for citizenship as far as I know.

watna · 21-09-2011 01:31AM

Ponster wrote: »

I'm going to do my best to upset the stats and after 13 years away (USA and France) I'm planning on moving back to Ireland.

Sounds like it's going to be a ghost-town by the time I get there

Me too - After almost four years away we're planning on heading back. We're hoping it could be early 2012 but if not, by the end of 2012 we'll be back in Ireland, depending on my OH's job situation.

I have a good job here so it's a hard choice but I was never the kind of person to move away permanently.

Our cat is coming back with us too - will he count as an immigration statistic? He likes to eat mice so he'd make a positive contribution to society!

daithimacgroin · 21-09-2011 02:25AM

I'm also on my back after many years abroad. Slightly worried about not being eligible for JSA if I can't find a job....

Has anyone else come back recently and passed habitual residence requirements?

Google Gold · 21-09-2011 03:14AM

HavingCrack wrote: »

4Sheets wrote: »

I think people can stay and work here but not claim dole or gain citzenship except by Birth.
/QUOTE]

Citizenship can either be gained via birth in Ireland, having an Irish citizen as a parent or grandparent, marriage to an Irish citizen or via naturalisation (usually a minimum of 5 years residency before this can be considered). If people have been here for more than 5 years they're entitled to apply for citizenship as far as I know.

Hey ,
4sheets was making his view of how things should be. Obviously under law his view is not tolerated in Ireland,
I wonder if there was a poll done to tell how many people believe the non-Irish should be granted full time residency and marked as Irish under the current system would the results contradict the law. Would it make a difference if a poll was done? Why should it do. Don't Indians for instance have rights to residency.Just like if the Irish have rights to be lets say German.
Is it not racist for the Germans to say Irish can not be German's. So is it not racist for the Irish to say Indian's cant be Irish?
See 4sheets who knows how many people agree for that to is hidden from the new's, but don't be surprised if not many people agree with you.

Jess16 · 21-09-2011 03:22AM

It's mostly highly skilled graduates who are going abroad and mainly for two reasons: 1. To reach the full earning potential they can't realise here and 2. Because living abroad for a period before settling down has become a requisite of modern living.

Also, the massive insult that is the Internship Scheme offers little incentive to stay and plenty of reasons to go.

filthymcnasty · 21-09-2011 03:57AM

Options as I see it for us unemployed Irish with average-ish qualifications wishing to emigrate long term:
UK no visa restriction
EU as per above
Oz/NZ/Canada one year holiday visa, possible extra year extension
US non-runner.

Back in the fun years 12000 plus one year working holiday visas issued to Irish folk alone for Oz.
But many come back so not a true reflection of emigration versus a year out.

One year WHVs have clouded the true figure of long term emigration from Ireland.

So is current emigration a one /two year format because of the many visa restrictions,
i.e a year two in say, Oz; then a year in NZ then Canada then head back and try the next thing? Or have many managed to organise permanent visas.

philologos · 21-09-2011 07:11AM

Brianderunner wrote: »

Quick question, how do they know the figures of where people are going? I emmigrated to the UK last December and nobody "official" knew i was going or where i was going. I imagine this is the case for thousands of others.

Did they not ask for your PPS number at your National Insurance proof-of-identity interview?

Electric Sheep · 21-09-2011 07:42AM

Helix wrote: »

for my future reference, is it essential to have german over there? ive always liked the idea of living in germany, they seem a decent crowd

That you are even asking that question speaks volumes about the Irish attitude.

21-09-2011 08:12AM

Not sure if im in that figure.. i basically disappeared as far as the government is concerned. All they know is I stopped paying prsi and got a one ticket out of there. No official contact with any other government since.

Brianderunner · 21-09-2011 08:25AM

philologos wrote: »

Did they not ask for your PPS number at your National Insurance proof-of-identity interview?

The company sorted the NI for me (had a job before i moved) and no they didnt ask me for my pps number IIRC.

As another poster said these figures are based on a representative sample which answers my original question about how these figures are calculated.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 21-09-2011 08:31AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not sure if im in that figure.. i basically disappeared as far as the government is concerned. All they know is I stopped paying prsi and got a one ticket out of there. No official contact with any other government since.

Sounds pretty sweet.

jeckle · 21-09-2011 09:00AM

philologos wrote: »

Did they not ask for your PPS number at your National Insurance proof-of-identity interview?

As far as I know for proof of identity purposes a passport or birth cert is sufficient, & would only need to supply a PPS number if you were claiming unemployment/disability benefit or, down the line, UK state pension.

4Sheets · 21-09-2011 10:31AM

HavingCrack wrote: »

4Sheets wrote: »

I think people can stay and work here but not claim dole or gain citzenship except by Birth.
/QUOTE]

Citizenship can either be gained via birth in Ireland, having an Irish citizen as a parent or grandparent, marriage to an Irish citizen or via naturalisation (usually a minimum of 5 years residency before this can be considered). If people have been here for more than 5 years they're entitled to apply for citizenship as far as I know.

Yes that correct I chatted to a hairdresser from Mauritus,,he is here 5 years and is being naturalised..that means apparently he can bring over his entire family, brothers and sisters,and I presume any kids they have and thats what he plans to do!

coco_lola · 21-09-2011 01:25PM

I'm working in Dublin with no intention of emigrating. My mother however, had emigrated to Oz. Turned tables!

HavingCrack · 21-09-2011 03:21PM

4Sheets wrote: »

Yes that correct I chatted to a hairdresser from Mauritus,,he is here 5 years and is being naturalised..that means apparently he can bring over his entire family, brothers and sisters,and I presume any kids they have and thats what he plans to do!

Ah, that sounds incorrect to be fair. He is probably entitled to bring over his wife and children which I think is fair enough. He's been working and paying taxes here for 5 years, I think he has earned the right to have his family with him. I very much doubt that he is entitled to bring over his brothers and sisters though, he sounds a bit misguided. Ireland doesn't have any 'legal residency' equivalent to the United States as far as I know so I don't see how his siblings would be entitled to come and live here.

philologos · 21-09-2011 10:36PM

jeckle wrote: »

As far as I know for proof of identity purposes a passport or birth cert is sufficient, & would only need to supply a PPS number if you were claiming unemployment/disability benefit or, down the line, UK state pension.

I was asked specifically for this by the interviewer when I was applying for my National Insurance number to start working in the UK.

4Sheets · 22-09-2011 11:24AM

HavingCrack wrote: »

Ah, that sounds incorrect to be fair. He is probably entitled to bring over his wife and children which I think is fair enough. He's been working and paying taxes here for 5 years, I think he has earned the right to have his family with him. I very much doubt that he is entitled to bring over his brothers and sisters though, he sounds a bit misguided. Ireland doesn't have any 'legal residency' equivalent to the United States as far as I know so I don't see how his siblings would be entitled to come and live here.

Nope he wasnt married..he was talking aboutmom/dad/bros/sisters.Of course he would be entitled to have wife/kids... unless I heard him wrong.

pauro 76 · 22-09-2011 11:27AM

Emigrated 2004 to London (before it became trendy, heh heh!) Met a Spanish girl in London and wants us to move to Ireland next year. I'm not sure about this, coming back to Ireland a good idea?

4Sheets · 22-09-2011 07:17PM

Well if you are skilled in IT or similar the job markets not bad but If you are looking for other kinds of work it may be more difficult...have some cash? houses are cheap..rent in Dublin is still high ..town itself is a bit more dangerous..pubs and clubs are'nt packed on a wednesday night like they used to be ..people generally have stopped boasting about having 2 houses and a villa in Spain so all in all the not worst place in the world .least not yet.Still Spain and London are hardly much better!

I was on reflection prob wrong about the hairdresser in one of my post here but I'll ask him tomorrow..getting my haircut:cool:

HavingCrack · 23-09-2011 02:56AM

pauro 76 wrote: »

Emigrated 2004 to London (before it became trendy, heh heh!) Met a Spanish girl in London and wants us to move to Ireland next year. I'm not sure about this, coming back to Ireland a good idea?

Better than Spain by a long shot to be honest! On the whole London, even in a recession, has a damn sight more opportunitites than Ireland ever does

starlit · 23-09-2011 03:47AM

It might be not long away yet for me but for now I will stay put...:(

jameshealy19 · 24-09-2011 10:43PM

pauro 76 wrote: »

Emigrated 2004 to London (before it became trendy, heh heh!) Met a Spanish girl in London and wants us to move to Ireland next year. I'm not sure about this, coming back to Ireland a good idea?

Moving to London is not emigrating

edgecutter · 24-09-2011 11:47PM

jameshealy19 wrote: »

Moving to London is not emigrating

What would you call it then?

jameshealy19 · 25-09-2011 06:28PM

edgecutter wrote: »

What would you call it then?

I call it moving to London. Moving to the UK is not emigrating in my opinion.

If a Dundalk man moves to Newry is that emigrating?

jonnyfingers · 25-09-2011 07:07PM

Of course moving to London is emigration. By definition emigrating is moving from your native country in order to settle in another. I've moved over to Surrey with no plans to return so that's emigrating in my opinion.

HavingCrack · 25-09-2011 08:42PM

jameshealy19 wrote: »

I call it moving to London. Moving to the UK is not emigrating in my opinion.

If a Dundalk man moves to Newry is that emigrating?

Without bringing politics into it he has moved from one state to another state, albeit two states which share one island. However, if emigration is defined as moving from one country to another then yes he has emigrated.

Jess16 · 25-09-2011 09:49PM

jameshealy19 wrote: »

I call it moving to London. Moving to the UK is not emigrating in my opinion.

If a Dundalk man moves to Newry is that emigrating?

Moving from one country to another = emigration

Moving from Dundalk to Newry is just different cheeks of the same arse

Ireland, 2010-2011: who's emigrating, and who's immigrating?

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