Ireland's Sham Marriages: TV3 does it again

Siuin · 09-09-2011 06:58PM

charlemont wrote: »

Ten years ago I was asked by my friend who is originally from Russia to marry his sister, I declined.

You... turned down a Russian woman?? :O
Your loss, my friend...!

Biggins · 09-09-2011 07:00PM

Siuin wrote: »

You... turned down a Russian woman?? :O
Your loss, my friend...!

Ten years ago - she could have been an Olympic shotputter!
Have ya seen those wimms! Scary! LOL

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=russian+Olympic+shotputter&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=1165&tbm=isch&tbnid=U9VT9HouySqyJM:&imgrefurl=http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-08/24/content_368287.htm&docid=tDAU7kOcpmxELM&w=350&h=449&ei=M1RqTvSbCImg-wb6nZX2BA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=150&vpy=120&dur=2565&hovh=254&hovw=198&tx=120&ty=146&page=1&tbnh=165&tbnw=129&start=0&ndsp=27&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0

charlemont · 09-09-2011 07:02PM

Siuin wrote: »

You... turned down a Russian woman?? :O
Your loss, my friend...!

I just couldn't trust him as it could have turned dodgy.

wolfpawnat · 09-09-2011 07:03PM

Nodin wrote: »

I was referring to the programme......

Oh I know, I was just dashing TV3 mumbo jumbo

charlemont · 09-09-2011 07:03PM

Biggins wrote: »

Ten years ago - she could have been an Olympic shotputter!
Have ya seen those wimms! Scary! LOL

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=russian+Olympic+shotputter&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=1165&tbm=isch&tbnid=U9VT9HouySqyJM:&imgrefurl=http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-08/24/content_368287.htm&docid=tDAU7kOcpmxELM&w=350&h=449&ei=M1RqTvSbCImg-wb6nZX2BA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=150&vpy=120&dur=2565&hovh=254&hovw=198&tx=120&ty=146&page=1&tbnh=165&tbnw=129&start=0&ndsp=27&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0

Thats one scary looking woman. Id rather bang the Scottish one who done her brother in the lift.

09-09-2011 07:20PM

I have been aware of this phenomenon, I knew a couple who worked together who married for a fee so that he could get a visa to live and work full time in Ireland. I've also gone out with a non EU student who made it pretty obvious he wouldn't have dated an Irish girl if not for the marriage and visa opportunity.

Any of the non EU folks I knew looking to marry EU residents wanted to WORK here legally, not just to claim benefits.

EGAR · 09-09-2011 11:26PM

That is nothing new. I was asked over 20 years ago when I was at Uni if I would marry a Chinese student for 10 grand. I declined politely.

Mike 1972 · 10-09-2011 12:15AM

EGAR wrote: »

That is nothing new. I was asked over 20 years ago when I was at Uni if I would marry a Chinese student for 10 grand. I declined politely.

Now if theyd said fifteen........ :pac:

EGAR · 10-09-2011 12:29AM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Now if theyd said fifteen........ :pac:

Hahaha, not even at 20 + - seriously that was 20 years ago, surely the price must have gone up by now?

But it wasn't in Ireland.

Mike 1972 · 10-09-2011 12:45AM

EGAR wrote: »

seriously that was 20 years ago, surely the price must have gone up by now?.

I dunno

With the recession and wotnot it might be a case of you having to pay them :eek:

u_c_thesecond · 10-09-2011 12:54AM

The Scientician wrote: »

The latest in TV3's recent cavalcade of crap documentaries about the rotten heart of modern Ireland. I, for one, can't wait to see it. I'm especially looking forward to seeing the bit where he chases the sham marriage counsellor down Dublin's O'Connell St.

funny utv did this 6 months ago (except in england) and showed a pile of people willing to push through marriages for the right price!

some marriages are real - i know a polish man dating an irish woman for 5 years before they got married- and the amount of crap they went through was a joke, they had social workers at their house (as she had a child) as people complained he was with her for a passport

:eek:

Mike 1972 · 10-09-2011 11:27AM

u_c_thesecond wrote: »

some marriages are real - i know a polish man dating an irish woman for 5 years before they got married

Why would a marriage where both parties were from an EU country be considered in any way suspect

tigger123 · 10-09-2011 12:46PM

Biggins wrote: »

The Scientician wrote: »

The funny thing is I'm fairly sure "sham" marriages aren't illegal so what's the actual point of the program?

To expose financial fraud? To expose gaps in the social welfare system that some here seem to be always just giving out about? To show there are still people out there that think its ok to take whats not theirs, while other genuine cases put in more hard work to gain similar?

Sham marriages are wrong - plain and simple - and yes, they are illegal as if for the defrauding of the state coffers (your contributed money) alone!

'Sham marriages' or 'marriages of convenience' are not illegal. It's up to the legislative powers that be to change the law. They're not ethically correct, but they're not illegal.

Mike 1972 · 11-09-2011 10:26AM

tigger123 wrote: »

'Sham marriages' or 'marriages of convenience' are not illegal. It's up to the legislative powers that be to change the law.

As long as the couple live together (or make a decent pretence thereof) for a few years after the marriage its pretty much impossible to prove anyway.

Besides the term 'marriage of convenience' doesnt just apply to those undertaken for immigration purposes most marriages of convenience in point of fact take place between citizens of the same country.

Shiroki · 11-09-2011 03:22PM

Sure if I want to hear people complain I'll just sit on AH :pac:

Biggins · 11-09-2011 03:34PM

tigger123 wrote: »

'Sham marriages' or 'marriages of convenience' are not illegal. It's up to the legislative powers that be to change the law. They're not ethically correct, but they're not illegal.

'Marriages of convenience' are not illegal as some are not just about circumventing state and European law but part of a culture/faith/way of life, etc.
Sham marriages however are a different story. They are created from the outset to circumvent already mentioned laws - and as such in those laws (if you bother to actually check), the precepts for circumventing them have already been accounted for and penalties laid out - deeming such actions illegal.

Don't mix 'Marriages of convenience' too much with 'Sham Marriages' - oft times they are quite separate if one bothers to look at the facts of the differentiation marriages.

Vernicious · 13-09-2011 02:43PM

Almost everything Biggins has written on this thread is incorrect.

Reg 25 of the 2006 SI provides:
25.  A person who -
(a)  being a person to whom these Regulations apply, fails to comply with any requirement of these Regulations or under these Regulations, or
(b)  asserts an entitlement to any rights under these Regulations on the basis of information which he or she knows to be false or misleading in a material particular,
shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding €5,000 or to a term of imprisonment not exceeding 12 months, or both.

'sham marriage' is not a term known to law. 'Marriages of convenience' are referenced in Article 35 of Directive 2094/38.

Biggins's, and many others', errors on this arise, I think, from a presumption that we know what is the opposite of a 'sham' marriage, whether as a matter of law, morality, or fact.

A marriage is a marriage is a marriage. If we want to make some illegal, we have to create positive law to do this. We haven't done that. Hence, supposed sham marriages (I.e., morally dubious, possibly exploitative, and usually designed to achieve a legal benefit) that are marriages of convenience can be addressed using national legislation, and indeed arguably should be in light of article 35 of Directive 2004/38.

walrusgumble · 13-09-2011 04:23PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have been aware of this phenomenon, I knew a couple who worked together who married for a fee so that he could get a visa to live and work full time in Ireland. I've also gone out with a non EU student who made it pretty obvious he wouldn't have dated an Irish girl if not for the marriage and visa opportunity.

Any of the non EU folks I knew looking to marry EU residents wanted to WORK here legally, not just to claim benefits.

Well, if he was going out with an Irish girl, who lived in Ireland and never moved to another EU state, then , he would be a gob ****e as he could not get residence under EU law on basis of relationship with Irish citizen (who has not exercised EU rights)

Sir Oxman · 13-09-2011 04:28PM

'Save Ireland's SNA's' is next on the list for TV3 - I swear I saw an ad for it last night

13-09-2011 04:34PM

TV3 the same channel that gave us the Georgia Salpa and Callum Best relationship, which by the way had nothing to do with their new ground breaking TV show The Salon :rolleyes:

16-09-2011 12:00AM

walrusgumble wrote: »

Well, if he was going out with an Irish girl, who lived in Ireland and never moved to another EU state, then , he would be a gob ****e as he could not get residence under EU law on basis of relationship with Irish citizen (who has not exercised EU rights)

An non Eu national married to an Irish person cannot live and work in Ireland, unless that Irish person has travelled outside of Ireland? That's o

Ireland's Sham Marriages: TV3 does it again

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