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Jürgen Stark: Abandon the Croke Park Agreement, cut welfare
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I am really getting sick of this 'operation human shield' being used by the upper echelons of the public and civil service.
The system needs total reform!
Won't quote everything as it was a long post, but you speak the truth.
We all know cuts and tax hikes are immanent but we all want someone other than us to take them. We should all take some of the pain.
But as you stated the waste that is going on within the system is the biggest problem
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Personally I'm on my lunch break, but if you're going to get personal about things then I suggest you can't really afford the internet if you're on such a menial sum!!wolfpawnat wrote: »Also everyone that is high and mighty, how many of you are actually doing this at work when you are supposed to be working? If your jobs that boring, I will swap, you can stay home and contemplate how to pay the next bill on a menial sum while I work at your medium pay job. Simples
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Personally I'm on my lunch break, but if you're going to get personal about things then I suggest you can't really afford the internet if you're on such a menial sum!!
My OH is a Vet student, we need to pay for internet so that he can do study at weekends and evenings so he can get his degree and we need NEVER darken the door of the SW again. We pay €20 a month for it, so that is what some would spend a week on cigarettes
I have no guilt.
He does not get grants and I could apply for Dependant Adult for him, but we don't. We are honest people trying to get by 0 -
wolfpawnat wrote: »He does not get grants and I could apply for Dependant Adult for him, but we don't. We are honest people trying to get by
Why not? If you are entitled to it you should apply for it. It has nothing to do with honesty.0 -
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So he's not actively seeking work then? No offence, but if you were really and I mean really suffering due to your lost income, surely sour OH would be looking for a job rather than continuing to study?wolfpawnat wrote: »My OH is a Vet student, we need to pay for internet so that he can do study at weekends and evenings so he can get his degree and we need NEVER darken the door of the SW again. We pay €20 a month for it, so that is what some would spend a week on cigarettes I have no guilt.
He does not get grants and I could apply for Dependant Adult for him, but we don't. We are honest people trying to get by
Your SW payments are obviously more than enough for one person seeing as they are currently supporting both of you.0 -
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Monty Burnz wrote: »Typical. Ordinary, honest people who would rather be working and contributing are embarrassed to claim their full entitlements, while lazy spongers who make the dole their career know every trick in the book to squeeze extra money out of the taxpayer and aren't shy about using them.
Monty, without sounding like one of those Woe-betide-me idiots on the X-Factor, I have actually cried in shame at all of this. I was a nursing student, I had a job, I have lost both
(creche was going to €700 a month for the baby)
I have had to stand behind Anto in his new tracksuit and runners that I priced on ebay at €140 and €95 respectively while I have no jeans without patches on them because I would be taking something from the house to go into Pennys and get a pair for €15. That is nearly the cost of transport for the little fellas dad to and from college for the week! I have had to listen to "I am off to the bookies after dis" My luxury is decafe coffee and 59c custard creams from tescos while watching old box sets (from my money days) when the small man is in bed.
The feeling of shame going into the CWO and being denied a medical card for a child because I am not declaring his dad's income and they will not accept a letter from the VEC to say he does not qualify for a grant. On Saturday I had to ring the childs godfather for €70 to bring him to the doctor and to get him a prescription!!! I have had a nasty health issue for months but cannot afford the doctor so I have just left it alone!
NO ONE and I mean no one on here with a job knows the shame and self loathing I have for where I am, if it were not for my child I would actually have contemplated suicide.0 -
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In Germany you get €354 a month for a single person on the equivalent of the dole. Rent is paid on a modest (read: you'll have to move to somewhere cheaper if you're used to a nice address) flat with maximum square footage figures etc.
Well we livemiles from anything. We live in the cheapest place we could get and guess what, mould on the walls. Nice environment for a child isn't it? We cannot afford a deposit for anywhere else so we are stuck here. The only up side to our living area is that my neighbours are the most part are polite people!The poster brought it upon herself by referencing people posting on the net during working hours!
I said to those who are high and mighty, not to everyone in general! 0 -
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wolfpawnat wrote: »Monty, without sounding like one of those Woe-betide-me idiots on the X-Factor, I have actually cried in shame at all of this. I was a nursing student, I had a job, I have lost both (creche was going to €700 a month for the baby)
I have had to stand behind Anto in his new tracksuit and runners that I priced on ebay at €140 and €95 respectively while I have no jeans without patches on them because I would be taking something from the house to go into Pennys and get a pair for €15. That is nearly the cost of transport for the little fellas dad to and from college for the week! I have had to listen to "I am off to the bookies after dis" My luxury is decafe coffee and 59c custard creams from tescos while watching old box sets (from my money days) when the small man is in bed.
The feeling of shame going into the CWO and being denied a medical card for a child because I am not declaring his dad's income and they will not accept a letter from the VEC to say he does not qualify for a grant. On Saturday I had to ring the childs godfather for €70 to bring him to the doctor and to get him a prescription!!! I have had a nasty health issue for months but cannot afford the doctor so I have just left it alone!
NO ONE and I mean no one on here with a job knows the shame and self loathing I have for where I am, if it were not for my child I would actually have contemplated suicide.
Yet the right wingers here still scream for cuts when countless thousands are in the same position.
I'm not a religious man but I pray your situation improves.0 -
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What are you using to base that assumption on?
I'm basing it on the assumption that most people don't have a small child, are in rented accommodation, are not willing to claim their full entitlements, and have one partner trying to live on a tiny grant because they are doing a second degree course in an effort to secure a good job in the future.
Is that really such an outlandish assumption?
Because if most of the (say) 400,000 people on the dole is a bare 200,001 people, and half of these are doing a second degree (100,000 of them) then the student population would have gone through the roof, and I'm sure somebody would have noticed.0 -
Monty Burnz wrote: »I'm basing it on the assumption that most people don't have a small child, are in rented accommodation, are not willing to claim their full entitlements, and have one partner trying to live on a tiny grant because they are doing a second degree course in an effort to secure a good job in the future.
Is that really such an outlandish assumption?
Because if most of the (say) 400,000 people are on the dole (say a bare 200,001) and half of them are doing a second degree (100,000 of them) then the student population would have gone through the roof, and I'm sure somebody would have noticed.
No, what are you basing you assumption on that a large amount of social welfare recipients are not truly deserving cases. I.e "spongers","scammers" or whatever venom filled term a lot of people here choose to use.0 -
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Monty Burnz wrote: »No - not at all. I might have said that in 2006. Not today - not by a million miles.
Well if you dont believe that the majority of people are undeserving what rationale do you have for demanding these people in very bad situations should be plunged further into poverty? 0 -
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wolfpawnat wrote: »My OH is a Vet student, we need to pay for internet so that he can do study at weekends and evenings so he can get his degree and we need NEVER darken the door of the SW again. We pay €20 a month for it, so that is what some would spend a week on cigarettes I have no guilt.
He does not get grants and I could apply for Dependant Adult for him, but we don't. We are honest people trying to get by
wolfpawnat, you are your OH are the type of people who should be supported. I have no problem with the welfare you are receiving and you should avail of everything you are entitled to. Once your OH qualifies in his field, he will contribute to the country in a positive way. My issue lies with those who view welfare as a career and will take, take, take every cent they can get for life.
If you offered them a job in the morning for 5K more than the dole per annum, they wouldn't take it. I grew up with these people and they deserve to have their welfare cut.0
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