Facetime or Facepalm?

Teutorix · 11-09-2011 02:25AM

af_thefragile wrote: »

Still after saying that PCs have their flaws too in the heap of junk that the Windows operating system is. The windows 7 is good but if only Microsoft could engineer windows upto OSX standards, it would be sooooo much better than rip off Apples!!

Where do you people get the idea that OS X is any good, its terribly unintuitive, lacks many features that are basic to all other OSes. Try to cut and paste a file in OSX... wait nope, you have to copy then paste then delete the old one. :rolleyes:

RacoonQueen · 11-09-2011 02:25AM

upandcumming wrote: »

You've only yourself to blame for that. I have a perfect VAIO laptop since 2008, not one thing wrong with it, apart from general wear and tear. Since I got it, I haven't got one virus and it never had even a trial version of anti-virus.

Not my feckin' fault. I never used the bloody thing, I was too busy getting up close and personal with my iPod. :cool:

LETHAL LADY · 11-09-2011 02:26AM

http://youtu.be/be7iNHw8QoQ

Is this what you mean?;)

af_thefragile · 11-09-2011 02:32AM

Teutorix wrote: »

Where do you people get the idea that OS X is any good, its terribly unintuitive, lacks many features that are basic to all other OSes. Try to cut and paste a file in OSX... wait nope, you have to copy then paste then delete the old one. :rolleyes:

I've used OSX for about the past 4 years. Since my macbook became useless earlier this year, I've been using windows. Once you get used to OSX, you really come to appreciate how much smoother the workflow is to windows. Also you get less crashes, I never had to install a anti-virus or a firewall on my macbook, although I did need to reformat it a few times in its later years as it got slower. Still I prefer OSX workflow to windows. Its smoother and faster.

I recently built a windows 7 PC and I like windows 7. Its not as bad as Vista was. Still need to worry about anti-viruses and firewalls and driver updates and all of that. Still its a good build and I hope it last for atleast the next 2-3 years without needing me to upgrade any parts.

Teutorix · 11-09-2011 02:37AM

af_thefragile wrote: »

I've used OSX for about the past 4 years. Since my macbook became useless earlier this year, I've been using windows. Once you get used to OSX, you really come to appreciate how much smoother the workflow is to windows. Also you get less crashes, I never had to install a anti-virus or a firewall on my macbook, although I did need to reformat it a few times in its later years as it got slower. Still I prefer OSX workflow to windows. Its smoother and faster.

I recently built a windows 7 PC and I like windows 7. Its not as bad as Vista was. Still need to worry about anti-viruses and firewalls and driver updates and all of that. Still its a good build and I hope it last for atleast the next 2-3 years without needing me to upgrade any parts.

I havent had a computer crash that wasnt purely the cause of a program since i was using windows 95. I went for about 2 years with no anti virus and never had a problem with XP. Its also pretty stupid to think you dont need an anti-virus or firewall on an OSX system, there are plenty of viruses for OSX and even more security holes in the OS itself because apple refuses to acknowledge them and just says "hurr duur OSX has no viruses lol"

DEFTLEFTHAND · 11-09-2011 02:38AM

I'm a serious technophobe, so really don't relate to or care about any of this modern technology.

EarlERizer · 11-09-2011 02:55AM

Apple Tarts!!! "look,ive a new iPod,iPad,iPhone" ...... iDontcare

Eric Cartman · 11-09-2011 03:28AM

dont give a fúck, i make my money repairing apple machines, most companies that use them are grand, some of the home users are fanboys , In all reality most users of shít like windows 7 or Android phones defend them to the death more than apple users ever could. Working with both I can safely say that apple products are a hell of a lot easier to support than the abortions microsoft and google call operating systems

DjFlin · 11-09-2011 03:29AM

Computers arent about "which is best", its about "which is best for me, now".

Right now, I'm using Linux on my netbook, because I wanted to check my emails/facebook/boards before going to bed. Linux boots up fast, and all I need is the browser. Tomorrow, I'll turn on my PC, and will use Windows to play a game, because Windows does games better.

Its ignorant to decide that one platform trumps another. Competition breeds innovation. If OSX wasn't any good, Windows wouldn't be what it is today, and vice versa.

As far as Facetime is concerned, I don't see your point. Apple have a video calling service and want you to use it. Just like Skype, Windows Live Messenger, and all the rest.

starbelgrade · 11-09-2011 03:33AM

DjFlin wrote: »

As far as Facetime is concerned, I don't see your point. Apple have a video calling service and want you to use it. Just like Skype, Windows Live Messenger, and all the rest.

My point about Factime is that if I want to use a video calling service, I know how to do so & where to find one.

I don't need Apple trying to tell me that the only way to do it is with one of their products.

I know fuck all about computer, but I'm not a total retard.

tolosenc · 11-09-2011 03:50AM

"Well I have a MacBook Pro..."

Well I have a laptop with better specs AND a grand left over for a holiday. You hipster waster.

The products Apple produce aren't special. Techy people tend to use Android and Linux, so having a Mac doesn't make you smart. More coders probably use Windows, to be honest (dot NET goodness).

It's overpriced middle-of-the-range tat.

And who the **** needs an iPad?

DjFlin · 11-09-2011 03:54AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

My point about Factime is that if I want to use a video calling service, I know how to do so & where to find one.

I don't need Apple trying to tell me that the only way to do it is with one of their products.

I know fuck all about computer, but I'm not a total retard.

Its called advertising. Its been around for quite a while now. Everyone with a product to sell does it.

partyatmygaff · 11-09-2011 04:09AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

In all reality most users of shít like windows 7 or Android phones defend them to the death more than apple users ever could. Working with both I can safely say that apple products are a hell of a lot easier to support than the abortions microsoft and google call operating systems

What?

Android and Windows (Especially 7) are two top class OSes. Not only that but they are two far more robust operating systems in comparison to Apple's offerings.

Anyway, I don't really like Apple. They don't make bad products, in fact I have to admit they make fairly good products. The problem though is said products are nowhere near good enough to justify their premium pricing. It's all just terrible value and overly expensive for what are almost always inferior products.

Trevor451 · 11-09-2011 04:16AM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

What?

Android and Windows (Especially 7) are two top class OSes. Not only that but they are two far more robust operating systems in comparison to Apple's offerings.

Anyway, I don't really like Apple. They don't make bad products, in fact I have to admit they make fairly good products. The problem though is said products are nowhere near good enough to justify their premium pricing. It's all just terrible value and overly expensive for what are almost always inferior products.

Its kinda obvious that he is trolling, no?

cusackd · 11-09-2011 04:20AM

Apple is cool be it propaganda or a straight up fact YO!

Whenever i sit down at my iMac and look at it i think yo you have been deigned to the nth degree, whenever i power it up I'm like Whoa that was quick, whenever the desktop boots I'm like this is fancy, when ever i option+space and search an app I'm like super fast, whenever i switch desktops using command+arrow I'm like organisation rocks, whenever 6 months rolls by and i say its time for a reformat i stop and say wait this aint necessary, whenever it doesn't get a virus i look at myself in the mirror and say to my self its either you or the computer.

Overall i'm not a fan boy i just like quality i fix computers daily and the engineering just doesn't compare to anything else that i get daily.

I think a well engineered great looking design will inspire great engineering and great design, i think fan boys call it a lifestyle choice is because well it inspires inspiration that your normal 1300 windows PC doesn't.

Wibbs · 11-09-2011 09:03AM

Teutorix wrote:

Where do you people get the idea that OS X is any good, its terribly unintuitive, lacks many features that are basic to all other OSes. Try to cut and paste a file in OSX... wait nope, you have to copy then paste then delete the old one.

I'd consider that a safety feature myself.

strobe wrote: »

I don't like Apple. But to be fair it's not their fault. I mean, mp3 players are around fucking years, then Apple bring out the i-pod and everyone is all 'wow, Apple are such innovators!!111one11!!' So that's not Apples fault, it's the idiots that love them. Then Microsoft guy invents the tablet computer in like 2003 or something, it's well liked but doesn't take off. Then Apple bring out the i-pad 5 years later and all the fanboys are like "wow, Apple are such innovators!!111one111eleventy11!' even though they are nothing of the sort.

Untrue. The concept of the tablet computer was around for decades(the Dynabook). "Microsoft guy" didn't invent the tablet computer in 2003. Not even close The first tablet computer brought to market? The apple newton in 1993. How people interacted with PC's was kinda set by the mid 80's. You had the command line interface(DOS and such) and the GUI(invented by Xerox PARC but brought to market and improved by Apple in 1983/84). The newton was an attempt to change that interaction. A bit too early an attempt for it to work well. They ran before they could crawl. The very last newtons though were pretty good. Even the handwriting recognition worked.

Now Apple are a very good marketing company. That's what they do, they are good at marketing, and fair play, go for it. Respect where respect is due. But please stop pretending they invent things. Please stop pretending they have even a shred of ingenuity in their bland copy pasta souls. Cheers.

Yep they are a good marketing company. No doubt about that, but they're also innovators and have been for decades. First successful GUI driven pc (the original Macintosh). It had plug and play printing, font management, reliable file dating, plug and play networking, desktop publishing(they got Adobe off the ground as a commercial prospect), WYSIWYG and a host of other innovations all in one package. In 1984. Multimedia computers? Apple invented that. If I was to list the GUI/OS innovations that apple brought to market we'd be here all day. Microsoft themselves acknowledged this through the years. They used to joke and call apple "the southern R&D dept" for a reason.

Laptops? If you're using one to post on this thread, it's design and functionality was overwhelmingly driven by apple products. The first laptop with the keyboard near the screen and mouse device with palmrests? Powerbook 100, in 1993. First laptop with a trackpad? Powerbook 520 a year later(and brought out the first dockable laptop). I have a powerbook g3 from 1999 which still works. It has wireless, USB/Firewire, hot swappable drives/batteries can even load up two batteries(which still work BTW with 2 I can get 8 hours) trackpad, DVD drive and a load of other little features far ahead of PC offerings at the time. It was also much more future proof. It came with 64mbs of ram and a 6Gb hard drive, but it can take up to a gig of ram and 120bg hard drive. You could even swap out the CPU, but few companies took up the challenge. It runs OSx up to 10.4 and I'm using it to type this post. Not bad for a 12 year old laptop. Try that with a PC laptop of the same vintage. Actually I will say, they made better quality more long lasting products back then. Now they were mad money, but at least you could see where the money went. NOw it's much more about buying the new fashionable model. It's a business model that has served them well mind you. In 2000 Dell were laughing at them and Time and Newsweek had them going bust. Today apple could buy Dell lock stock and barrel with a few months net profit on their phones alone.

af_thefragile wrote: »

For example the battery on the macbook dies after a couple of years and you're forced to buy a new battery from Apple to use your macbook as a laptop. Another thing they'll allow the systems to run toasty hot. The cpu temps on the macbooks (don't know about the pros) easily go over 80c under load. This is why most macbooks become slow worthless junk in a few years time. Similar stuff happens with their ipod and iphones.

I agree macbooks are crap, though the battery dying off is not restricted to apple stuff. The earlier battery tech wasn't as powerful but didn't have such a limited shelf life. But yea macbooks are a bit crap alright. They eat hard drives too and the plastic chips off the edges.

Teutorix wrote: »

there are plenty of viruses for OSX and even more security holes in the OS itself because apple refuses to acknowledge them and just says "hurr duur OSX has no viruses lol"

Nope there are not "plenty of viruses" for OSX. There are a few malware apps out there, but with very few exceptions(only one I can think of) they require the user to install them. Security wise, apple and linux based systems are far more secure outa the box than MS products. Always have been.

Sky King · 11-09-2011 10:17AM

Totally agree with that guardian Article - sums up my feelings for Apple perfectly. The products are a joy to use (I am typing this on my Macbook) until you want to do something that Apple don't want you to do.

Ever tried to use iMovie? if you want to get a picture into it for example you have to 'sync' your photos with iphoto..... the music has to come through itunes. No drag and drop.... no 'browse > insert file' simplicity that you get with windows.

It's the Apple way or the highway and it makes me want to discharge a firearm into steve jobbie jobbie job-head's face.

Android phones are the shizz.

bertie4evr · 11-09-2011 10:34AM

Why does everyone get so angry about someone else purchases? If they want to buy a Mac over a PC so what? Everyone that owns an Apple product probably already has an iTunes account so is already set up for FaceTime and they all come with the FaceTime software so its handier to use than Skype or whatever else there is.

Also the only people I ever see saying that Apple invented the iPhone or the iPod are the anti-Apple people trying to make a point that doesn't exist.

Live and let live, be grand.

bertie4evr · 11-09-2011 11:52AM

Well, I'm glad we sorted that out.:)

i71jskz5xu42pb · 11-09-2011 12:11PM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=6264

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

bertie4evr · 11-09-2011 12:38PM

Prince Many Holster wrote: »

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

The post you quoted was one picture submitted to a site. The one you posted is an entire webpage by a Windows user saying that Mac users never shut up.

estadio · 11-09-2011 12:41PM

I think Iphone's have excellent hardware but i am against apple's control over nearly everything. I think fan boys of any company are stupid. As for facetime i don't really see
people using it too often.
And as for mac vs pc it depends on the person. I use macs for fun and my pc for anything office related as i hate the microsoft office on macs.
As for the whole macs don't have virus and never crash, its bs. If more people had macs more people would try to infect it with viruses.

Wibbs · 11-09-2011 01:37PM

estadio wrote: »

I think Iphone's have excellent hardware but i am against apple's control over nearly everything.

I agree with this. They're way too controlling of the media you own. Then again that's one reason why they got so many of the big media producers on board, they tried to guarantee anti piracy built in. It's as much the media companies as it is apple. And it's largely worked. Oh sure many of us here who know their stuff can bypass it, but casual users of their products can't so easily. One of the things that people don't note with the whole iphone ecosystem is it has about the lowest piracy rate of any computer platform. For a couple of reasons. One Apple controls the method of getting apps onto the device and even moreso Apple set it up that software would be significantly cheaper than on other devices. The latter was a master stroke and one the rest of the software industry baulked at when the phone and appstore came out. Some were claiming it would ruin certain sections of the industry. It didn't and it gave blokes in sheds the opportunity and worldwid conduit to get their stuff on a platform. Google tried to copy the idea but with less success. They copied the phone too. The original android phone looks like a blackberry.

I think fan boys of any company are stupid.

I agree. Just like I can't fathom why someone will pay triple for tee shirt or whatever that has nike on the front. So you pay them to advertise their products? Yea real smart.

As for the whole macs don't have virus and never crash, its bs. If more people had macs more people would try to infect it with viruses.

That may well have been true in the past alright. An excuse oft trotted out by the PC users, but more often by industry types too. It's not nearly so much the case now. I had this convo with a guy in a pub who said similar about apple users and how few there actually were compared to pc users. I asked him to look at the table in front of us. Two thirds of the smart phones were apple. The apple platform over all has huge market penetration and while they were getting it, the majority of the PC market missed the bus at the time. Now compare and contrast iphones and android phones. There are over 400 known malware apps out there for android http://www.businessinsider.com/mobile-threat-report-2011-8 the list for iphones is of a magnitude smaller. They're equally popular and apparently the iOS has security holes according to some so how does that work then?

Apple products are still more secure. It's harder to infect one(for all sorts of reasons) and it's harder to get that infection to propagate. In 20 years of using a mac I've yet to see a virus in the wild. With one exception, microsoft word/excel viruses coming from PC eejits who don't install free antivirus software. They do feck all to the mac. Generally only discover you have one when you email to a PC user who has security and they tell you.

Spacedog · 11-09-2011 01:50PM

I don'y awn an apple computer. but like OP said they are just computers. hardware wise they are identical to x86 PCs.

One advantage they do have is they do runs of generations of computers with an exact hardware configuration. this makes it easier for program developers to test their software on a a few machines and perform bug testing, then know with certainty, that 100% of machines are going to run this program as expected.

With PCs someone will own a yahama X290ZTW47 card for music production and struggle to find drivers to get all this obscure hardware working the next time Windows 247 comes out.

That being said I hate fanboyism, I hate that apple censor their app stores and try to control what you can and cant do on their products. Most of all I hate that apple are trying to make computing a 1 way experience, with content being delivered from a central location to your locked down devices.

partyatmygaff · 11-09-2011 01:59PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Now compare and contrast iphones and android phones. There are over 400 known malware apps out there for android http://www.businessinsider.com/mobile-threat-report-2011-8 the list for iphones is of a magnitude smaller. They're equally popular and apparently the iOS has security holes according to some so how does that work then?

That's primarily because Android allows you to install applications without using the market. Changing one option in the phone's settings will allow you to browse the internet and install whatever you please. You just download an APK, push install and that's that. Excellent for power users but not so excellent for "need moar apps" novices who install anything and everything.

With Apple you don't have that option unless you jailbreak your phone.

i71jskz5xu42pb · 11-09-2011 02:12PM

Wibbs wrote: »

I asked him to look at the table in front of us. Two thirds of the smart phones were apple. The apple platform over all has huge market penetration

I'll be a pedantic nitpicker here. The Apple platform over all has huge market penetration if you look at a very defined market segments e.g. just smart phones, certain countries, the pub you happen to be in, etc. And even where Apple is the number one (e.g. Smartphone shipments worldwide) it has just 18.5% of the market and is only narrowly ahead of Samsung (17.5%) and Nokia (15.2%) (yes, Nokia). Source. Nokia continue to be the biggest overall manufacturer out there albeit with lots of low end S40.

Not saying they are not big, nice, popular, etc., just putting some cold hard data out there.

i71jskz5xu42pb · 11-09-2011 02:16PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

That's primarily because Android allows you to install applications without using the market.

No, that's because Android do little to no reviews on Apps submitted to the market whereas Apple do a very thorough review. Android's view is that the community will flag bad apps, Apple do this for you.
Time from submission to appearing in the market
Android - 30 seconds
Apple - about 5 business days

partyatmygaff · 11-09-2011 02:24PM

The community does flag bad apps though. I'd say the vast majority of malware comes from installing random APKs available on forums around the internet.

Shiroki · 11-09-2011 03:18PM

I like my Mac :pac:

Buceph · 11-09-2011 03:33PM

I like the irony that the reason to get an iPhone is because of all the apps.

Facetime or Facepalm?

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