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Cannonball Run in the Leaf

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  • #92
    Lord Derpington
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭Lord Derpington


    fletch wrote: »
    Why "even this"? I think any car enthusiast would love a spin in that Megane.
    Sesshoumaru wrote: »
    I'd like an understated hot hatch like that. I'd prefer if the Cannonball Run wasn't exclusively for expensive cars.

    I suppose the response from Sesshoumaru kind of sums up the reason I said "even this".
    Personally I love understated cars, something like that. Something that could be described as a wolf in sheep's clothing.

    The only reason I said even this? Is because across Europe the whole cannonball run is for more rare and prestigious cars or a least perceived to be by everyone I have talked to.
    The leaf being part of it has a quirky appeal and will get a lot of looks but I can guarantee you a lot of people would take one look at the Mégane or the Mini cooper in the race and say WTF are they doing here?

    The Mégane might be a petrol heads wet dream, I cant say ive never drove one in that exact model. But I have drove a normal petrol Mégane and it was something that I can say I did not enjoy one bit.


  • #93
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭SV


    greenfly wrote: »
    The Mégane might be a petrol heads wet dream, I cant say ive never drove one in that exact model. But I have drove a normal petrol Mégane and it was something that I can say I did not enjoy one bit.

    If you ever come to a boards meet you're more than welcome to take out my Clio.
    I recommend driving a normal Clio first so you can see the difference.
    They're not the same thing. RenaultSport, not Renault. :)



    Also, you do make a good point though. I was very surprised to see the Megane accepted, as well as the Fiat 500.


  • #94
    fletch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,449 ✭✭✭fletch


    I would say there are a lot less Megane 225's in the country than Porsche 911s. Anyone who calls themselves a car enthusiast should appreciate them. I agree though, the Mini Cooper really has no place at the rally.

    Edit - The Megane never showed up I noticed
    SV wrote: »
    I was very surprised to see the Megane accepted, as well as the Fiat 500.
    The 500 (Abarth Esseesse) is a very rare car in Ireland....I can't imagine there would even be 10 Fiat 500 Abarth Esseesses in the country.


  • #95
    ottostreet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭ottostreet


    Know what else is rare in Ireland? Dacia.


  • #96
    fletch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,449 ✭✭✭fletch


    ottostreet wrote: »
    Know what else is rare in Ireland? Dacia.
    I don't know any Dacia performance variants...?


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  • #97
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭SV


    fletch wrote: »

    The 500 (Abarth Esseesse) is a very rare car in Ireland....I can't imagine there would even be 10 Fiat 500 Abarth Esseesses in the country.

    I don't think there's even 5 of my car in the country(Irish registered anyway) but I doubted it getting accepted so didn't even apply.

    seriously disappointed now :(


  • #98
    ottostreet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭ottostreet


    fletch wrote: »
    I don't know any Dacia performance variants...?

    I don't know any Nissan Leaf performance variants.


  • #99
    fletch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,449 ✭✭✭fletch


    ottostreet wrote: »
    I don't know any Nissan Leaf performance variants.
    Ha that's true however at least the Leaf is showing off new technology, what would the Dacia be bringing to the table?


  • #100
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    ottostreet wrote: »
    Know what else is rare in Ireland? Dacia.

    We had plenty of Dacia 1300's Renault 12's back in the day! :p


  • #101
    Lord Derpington
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭Lord Derpington


    fletch wrote: »
    I don't know any Dacia performance variants...?

    There is actually LINK
    I very much doubt they are widely available though, I just googled Dacia performance :p


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  • #102
    Sesshoumaru
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭Sesshoumaru


    ottostreet wrote: »
    I don't know any Nissan Leaf performance variants.

    http://www.videootube.com/2011/08/nissan-leaf-electric-sport-car-from.html


  • #103
    Lord Derpington
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭Lord Derpington


    Sesshoumaru wrote: »
    http://www.videootube.com/2011/08/nissan-leaf-electric-sport-car-from.html

    That look class!
    If they sold those at a 1/2 decent price I bet EVs would take off a lot quicker.

    Pity there isn't a Tesla Roadster in the race


  • #104
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    greenfly wrote: »
    There is actually LINK
    I very much doubt they are widely available though, I just googled Dacia performance :p

    R12.jpg


  • #105
    ottostreet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭ottostreet


    Sesshoumaru wrote: »
    http://www.videootube.com/2011/08/nissan-leaf-electric-sport-car-from.html

    See, now that's what should be in the Cannonball run, not an ugly Tiida look-a-like that just happens to be powered differently


  • #106
    n97 mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    -Chris- wrote: »
    That still seems frustrating to me, you can get from Dublin to Galway in a touch over 2 hours now, so having to stop for 30 mins is actually a significant delay.
    130 miles in 2 hours averages 65 mph. A Focus 1.4 will do what, 35mpg at that speed, costing about €25 each way. The Leaf will do it for less than €2.

    €46 an hour is a decent salary.


  • #107
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,876 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    n97 mini wrote: »
    130 miles in 2 hours averages 65 mph. A Focus 1.4 will do what, 35mpg at that speed, costing about €25 each way. The Leaf will do it for less than €2.

    €46 an hour is a decent salary.

    A company is not going to have issued someone a 1.4 petrol Focus and nor will they be paying VAT on the fuel and nor is the cost of someones salary the sole concern.

    Sesshoumaru wrote: »
    My car is a family car. The Leaf isn't targeted at business people who do long distances every day. Same way a *insert random two seat sports car here* isn't suitable for someone with kids.

    I really do wonder why you bring up your business requirements? I mean there must be plenty of fossil fuel cars that also don't meet your requirements? Does that mean all cars that don't meet your individual requirements are bad?

    Because there is *never* going to be an EV that meets those requirements.


  • #108
    -Chris-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭-Chris-


    n97 mini wrote: »
    130 miles in 2 hours averages 65 mph. A Focus 1.4 will do what, 35mpg at that speed, costing about €25 each way. The Leaf will do it for less than €2.

    €46 an hour is a decent salary.

    I did more detailed sums later in the thread.


  • #109
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    n97 mini wrote: »
    130 miles in 2 hours averages 65 mph. A Focus 1.4 will do what, 35mpg at that speed, costing about €25 each way. The Leaf will do it for less than €2.

    €46 an hour is a decent salary.

    Maybe now.
    Wait till everyone has one and charging costs will go through the flippin' roof.
    The only reason petrol and diesel are so bloody dear is because right now there's no alternative.
    If everyone went electric and consumption would go through the roof, you can be sure electricity would skyrocket in price.
    Right now is a good time to have an electric vehicle if it suits, I'd have one, but my budget for a new car right now would be nil, so I'm stuck with the auld oilburner.
    Which is currently returning 53-54 mpg, so it's not too bad.
    If the government decided not to tax me and sell me nice, cheap diesel, mine would be cheap to run.
    All those prices are artificially created to skew the market and once the market has shifted, you will find new taxes regarding electric vehicles coming up like mushrooms.
    My guess: Electricity to skyrocket, maybe huge taxes on batteries, road tax, import tax, VRT, VAT.
    This WILL happen, it's the way it works.


  • #110
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    There's a few ordinary enough cars in the Cannonball Run this year. A few normal enough BMW's or Mercs. I'd definitely walk past the Leaf.


  • #111
    Shane732
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,006 ✭✭✭Shane732


    Sesshoumaru - I drive a 3.0 petrol E93 BMW 335i




    I still love saying it!!


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  • #112
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    BX 19 wrote: »
    Ahhh cmon, the leaf is in less glamorous company to be fair.

    There is a bloody X5 going for gods sake......
    ever since the builders all got rid of them in the 'recession' theyre back to being a luxury
    Sesshoumaru wrote: »
    As it stands right now it costs me €20 to do 2100km. Let me know when petrol/diesel cars can do that ;)
    and in that time youd have to make 10-15 quick charges , id easily do that distance in 12 days , carrying 1-200kg of tools and with the aircon on pretty much solid and it costs me about 310 euro in diesel , so your saving 290 euro , but also losing the aircon and carrying capacity , also depending on what im doing , that 290 euro is between 2 and 6 hours work for me , even at 5 hours work thats 10 quick charges , which is the minimum youd make on your journey so even in my 4x4 it currently balances in my favour , i would have to make maybee 2 fuel stops in that at about 10 minutes each.

    im not trying to put down your electric car, if it works for you, it works, but at this moment in time it still suits me to drive a 4x4 more than it does a leaf
    Shane732 wrote: »
    Sesshoumaru - I drive a 3.0 petrol E93 BMW 335i




    I still love saying it!!

    a lovely beast


  • #113
    Blut2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,306 ✭✭✭Blut2


    ottostreet wrote: »
    Anyone know what the BMW parked beside the electric car is? I'm assuming M5?

    Yeah, the light blue BMW is an M5, saw it parked up yesterday evening around Merrion Square. Odd colour, not sure it'd by my choice. Stands out from a normal 5 series though.


  • #114
    deRanged
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,744 ✭✭✭deRanged


    it made it to Cork anyway :)

    6131159076_c753f6dbb5_z.jpg
    Nissan Leaf by Brian Clayton, on Flickr

    more pics here


  • #115
    n97 mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    MYOB wrote: »
    A company is not going to have issued someone a 1.4 petrol Focus and nor will they be paying VAT on the fuel and nor is the cost of someones salary the sole concern.
    Who said anything about company cars?

    VAT is not reclaimable on petrol... but it is reclaimable on electricity!


  • #116
    n97 mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    -Chris- wrote: »
    I did more detailed sums later in the thread.

    My maths are based on the more common 1.4 petrol model. But even if I had used the 1.6 diesel then you have quoted the manufacturer's figures, not real world figures, which I can guarantee you are not based on doing a constant 65mph.

    The other thing you don't take into account is that the Leaf beats the Focus on economy not just once on a drive to Galway, but all day long, every day. The more you drive the Leaf the more it blows the Focus into the weeds.


  • #117
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,876 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    n97 mini wrote: »
    Who said anything about company cars?

    VAT is not reclaimable on petrol... but it is reclaimable on electricity!

    When someone is talking about lost earnings due to time lost by a vehicle they are generally *not* speaking about their personal car. And company cars are virtually never petrol nor have they been since the 1980s.


  • #118
    650Ginge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭650Ginge


    MYOB wrote: »
    When someone is talking about lost earnings due to time lost by a vehicle they are generally *not* speaking about their personal car. And company cars are virtually never petrol nor have they been since the 1980s.

    MYOB - Prone to generalisation without any substance or effort.


  • #119
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,876 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    650Ginge wrote: »
    MYOB - Prone to generalisation without any substance or effort.

    Explain that, please.


  • #120
    stimpson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,864 ✭✭✭stimpson


    deRanged wrote: »
    it made it to Cork anyway :)

    6131159076_c753f6dbb5_z.jpg
    Nissan Leaf by Brian Clayton, on Flickr

    more pics here

    Is that charging point a permanent one or is it one they brought with them and connected to a big truck?

    Hardly a fair comparison if they can bring their own electricity. Just as bad as the Top Gear road test.


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  • #121
    Sesshoumaru
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭Sesshoumaru


    stimpson wrote: »
    Is that charging point a permanent one or is it one they brought with them and connected to a big truck?

    Hardly a fair comparison if they can bring their own electricity. Just as bad as the Top Gear road test.

    It's a prop... it does nothing.


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